Newbie 1744 - Game Over

[copper223]

@TC
Hmm I don't know that I buy your explanation fully, especially because you say, paraphrasing "I'll take a look at Toto's associative copper read now" when supposedly you should have done so before I asked you that question if you were reaction testing Toto as you claimed.

@HS
I am obviously a PR, I am copper after all.

For real though, I don't think that's a good conversation to have.

[copper223]

@Spyre
Still confident in your Gideon read despite him being a late joiner in the two main wagons we've had to date?

[SpyreX]

Having reads is never a bad thing. I find, as i get old and wized, a full list is rarely as helpful as broad strokes. Unless you have a really strong feeling about someone specific.

@copper:
Still strong enough i wouldn't lynch him today but you may have seen some sweat beading up if i had bet the game.

[Toto]

@TC. Tell me why SB is scum.

[Toto]

While we wait for TC answers,

@Spy: in 21 you promised to reveal a mystery in page 1. Also, in 123 you promised meaningful content.

And one more IC question, are you scum?

[Gideon]

I honestly wasn't planning to maintain a vote against TownCop, but after his most recent posts, I have a pretty strong feeling that he might be mafia. I'm generally wary of people who make a lot of accusations. So far, the most accusations seem to have come from Toto and TownCop. Before TownCop was accused, he was rather quiet and uninterested in scum hunting. After the accusation, he frantically started pointing fingers everywhere. Seems like a pretty strong 'read' to me.

Still, all I know is that I'm town and somebody here isn't.

[SpyreX]

While we wait for TC answers,

@Spy: in 21 you promised to reveal a mystery in page 1. Also, in 123 you promised meaningful content.

And one more IC question, are you scum?

Those are statements i have made. They're not false.

No, I'm not scum. Is this a meaningful question when you attempt to call me out for meaningful content?

[Toto]

@Spy. The two thing are unrelated. I was bored and nobody is posting. I'm not calling you out, just wanted to know when that will happen. Simple curious. Specially the comment on 21

[SpyreX]

Actually part of that we've already discussed. Gideon reads very town from the exchange.

The other part was related to franks posting. It requires reply per pist to make sense which I'm still on the fence about but it's probably a preference thing not worth lying about

[SmoothBlue]

@Jason
That behaviour is just odd. It's like you flipped a "be an asshole" switch, no offense. It's hard to *read* that sort of stuff, but it's worth a note.

[TownCop]

@TC
Hmm I don't know that I buy your explanation fully, especially because you say, paraphrasing "I'll take a look at Toto's associative copper read now" when supposedly you should have done so before I asked you that question if you were reaction testing Toto as you claimed.

@HS
I am obviously a PR, I am copper after all.

For real though, I don't think that's a good conversation to have.

I did take a look at the post before, you wanted an explanation from me and I provided it to you (showing you how I analysed the post step by step)

@TC. Tell me why SB is scum.

I'm not completely convinced SB is scum (in fact I only have a slight scum read on SB), although SB is suspicious. Seems to be the opposite of Toto, "correct but scummy", possibly too informed. If SB is scum, he would know that I am town, and that would explain why he is acting too defensively on me when I'm under fire (perhaps if I am lynched & flip town he would get some town cred). However, I do agree with most of SB's logic especially on Gideon's vote changes, and that doesn't tie in that well with my read on SB.

I honestly wasn't planning to maintain a vote against TownCop, but after his most recent posts, I have a pretty strong feeling that he might be mafia. I'm generally wary of people who make a lot of accusations. So far, the most accusations seem to have come from Toto and TownCop. Before TownCop was accused, he was rather quiet and uninterested in scum hunting. After the accusation, he frantically started pointing fingers everywhere. Seems like a pretty strong 'read' to me.

Still, all I know is that I'm town and somebody here isn't.

Before I actively tried to hunt scum through reaction testing (which was quite early on), we were in RVS, and there was not much to comment on. Besides, what do you expect to happen when you place someone as L-1? "You would never allow a lynch on a clear, to your self you are 100% clear" - paraphrased from the wiki

[TownCop]

Actually part of that we've already discussed. Gideon reads very town from the exchange.

The other part was related to franks posting. It requires reply per pist to make sense which I'm still on the fence about but it's probably a preference thing not worth lying about

Specifically which parts?

[TownCop]

I should add to #211
Specifically which parts [/b]about Gideon? [/b]

[Toto]

TownCop. I think Snow is town. If you assume that, how does it change your reads.

[SmoothBlue]

I think Snow is town

Snow?

[Toto]

LMAO. sorry. must be your avatar.

[FrankJaeger]

Ive got a favor to ask. Can someone give a small summary of why Copper should be todays lynch? Ide like to hear from everyone on the wagon if possible. My reads are still foggy. I have a confident town read, and my vote is still where it is for a reason. Thats it.

I see some more content has been posted, and Im going to digest it tonight.

[FrankJaeger]

Towncop* my mistake

[Toto]

I'm getting second thoughts, but I want to hear his answer first.

[Toto]

TownCop, in particular I want you to pay close attention at what you said about why SB could be scum, and what Copper said on 182. Do you see my problem?

[TownCop]

TownCop. I think Snow [SB] is town. If you assume that, how does it change your reads.

My read on SB is not critical and I have not paired SB with anyone. Thus, even if SB was town, it would not affect my other reads significantly, except perhaps that I become more certain of my other scum reads

[TownCop]

TownCop, in particular I want you to pay close attention at what you said about why SB could be scum, and what Copper said on 182. Do you see my problem?

I understand your point, but mine still stands. Can you explain your reasoning a bit clearer?

[Toto]

UNVOTE: towncop

It could mean many things. For now lets say you are town or really good at this.

[SpyreX]

Actually part of that we've already discussed. Gideon reads very town from the exchange.

The other part was related to franks posting. It requires reply per pist to make sense which I'm still on the fence about but it's probably a preference thing not worth lying about

Specifically which parts?

The whole exchange? I mean having the knowledge I'm town makes it clear is not a defense (which the new guy coming out protecting the ic would be hilarious) and it was very clearly trying to figure out what's going on. And being that worried about a wagon that early feels town.

[copper223]

Ive got a favor to ask. Can someone give a small summary of why Copper should be todays lynch? Ide like to hear from everyone on the wagon if possible. My reads are still foggy. I have a confident town read, and my vote is still where it is for a reason. Thats it.

I see some more content has been posted, and Im going to digest it tonight.

The main problem I've had with TC and the reason for the vote is that he claimed to reaction test Toto by putting him at L-2, but then did nothing once the extra pressure was added.

If you claim you are pressure voting to read someone I would then expect you to use that to interact with the possible scum-read in an inquisitive manner, instead it's more like TC is defending himself from Toto for placing him at L-2 and trying to get Toto to unvote him (once Toto did vote for it).

The unvote later on was also not really justified and the first time I asked him why he changed his mind he brought up characteristics of Toto's play that Toto had been doing all along, so if that's how you read that behavior to begin with, I'd expect you to have a town read on him and there would be no need to reaction test that particular slot.

It may be that the reaction test backfired, but it doesn't quite add up to me.

Another point is that he doesn't interact much with his scum-reads, most of the dialogue is reactive from his side, he votes Toto, then Toto votes him back and questions him, and then he answers and there is a small back and forth, the same goes for Gideon and SB he never questioned. This also strikes me as odd, in contrast look at how much Jason is focused on me, or how Toto immediately engages his "new scum-read" as soon as he thinks he found a connection.