Micro 657: Vanillite Mafia (Game Over!)

shannon · Post Post #600 (ISO) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 5:04 pm

Aero if you want Postie lynched tomorrow, why not just vote her today? I don't get why you're voting Wyv, who hasn't shown up yet? It's not going to do much in terms of pressure.

Aeronaut · Post Post #601 (ISO) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 5:27 pm

Because if I'm wrong, I don't want it to be that easy for scum to come in and quick hammer for the win.

I also want to hear from the replacement.

Postie · Post Post #602 (ISO) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 5:38 pm

In post 599, Postie wrote:What do you make of...?
In post 594, Postie wrote:Oh yeah and your argument for me being scum was that I hard-defended someone right? I was going to address that.
Basically, it's a playstyle thing and therefore NAI. Examples can be found here and here.

shannon · Post Post #603 (ISO) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 7:33 pm

In post 601, Aeronaut wrote:Because if I'm wrong, I don't want it to be that easy for scum to come in and quick hammer for the win.

I also want to hear from the replacement.

OK, so -

Aero is voting Wyvern
Aero is scum reading Postie, but doesn't want to vote her as it would make it too easy for scum to quick hammer her if he's wrong

Implied:

Aero is town reading me. (If he weren't, he'd think that I might be at risk of voting and quick hammering Wyvern, along with either Postie or Algebra as my partner)

Aero thinks Postie and I are not a team. (As above, we as a team might quick hammer his current vote, Wyvern)
Aero thinks Postie and Algebra are not a team. (As above, they might quick hammer Wyvern)

Aero thinks the team could be Wyvern + Algebra (No perceived risk of a scum quick hammer with his current vote, because ScumWyvern isn't going to hammer himself) or Wyvern + Postie (he has a scum read on Postie).

Yesterday, Postie had a strong town read on Algebra and Wyvern. She thought Aero and I were a team, and that Town wouldn't win if that's the case because no one will vote us off. If she's following Aero's line of reasoning, she's confident enough that the team is not Algebra + Wyvern (or one of those two and me) that she's voting Aero, despite it potentially offering them a quick hammer to win.

Yesterday, Postie was chief architect of a mislynch (which Aero caved in to at the last minute).

So here's where I'm at. I'm going to vote Aeronaut unless someone can convince me that Aero and Postie are not working together in a strategy of distancing and trying to generate compromise lynches. I'm going to give it until we hear from the replacement and Algebra, though, just to be fair. Postie, if you and Aero aren't the scum team, now is the time to convince me of it.

For now, UNVOTE:

Postie · Post Post #604 (ISO) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 7:37 pm

In post 603, shannon wrote:Postie, if you and Aero aren't the scum team, now is the time to convince me of it.

What? If we're the scumteam then what's the problem with voting him?

shannon · Post Post #605 (ISO) » Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:39 pm

I don't want to take unilateral action and ruin things for Town. I need to hear from the replacement player and from Algebra.

Aeronaut · Post Post #606 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:52 am

what? postie an I are a scumteam?

Aeronaut · Post Post #607 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:53 am

Shannon literally read any part of the game and that should convince you that that's not the case

Aeronaut · Post Post #608 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:56 am

How is you saying you won't vote me because you want to hear from the replacement any different from me saying I won't vote Postie because I want to hear from the replacement?

Aristophanes · Post Post #609 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:00 am

I should do a VC shouldn't I...

Consider it on its way!

Still looking for a Wyvernite replacement.

shannon · Post Post #610 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:37 pm

@Mod

could you please see what's up with Algebra too?

Aristophanes · Post Post #611 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:09 pm

Algebra is just entering prod range now, as they have posted this cycle.
No action has been previously required.

However, I shall prod him in an hour when it is time to do so.

Aristophanes · Post Post #612 (ISO) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:53 pm

VC 2.1

Wyvernite

(1): Aeronaut 576

Aeronaut

(1): Postie 578

Not Voting

(3): Wyvernite, Algebra, Shannon 603

With 5 alive, it takes 3 votes to lynch
D2 will end Dec 3/16 at 7:30am EST or in (expired on 2016-12-03 07:30:00)

Mod Notes:

Wyvernite is being Replaced.
Algebra is being Prodded

algebra · Post Post #613 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:13 am

VOTE: Wyvernite
Scum team is in wyv aero Shannon

Aristophanes · Post Post #614 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:24 am

Vedith replaces Wyvernite!

Lets Celebrate! =D

Vedith · Post Post #615 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:32 am

Hello!
I'll read up after work.

Vedith · Post Post #616 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:37 am

Also, let me confirm that I'm town, either Aero or algebra take their vote off me, even for the sake of letting me catch up or I'm lynched and scum win.
Otherwise Aero and algebra blew their load too quickly (common factor in both, I heard!)

Postie · Post Post #617 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:13 am

It's okay Vedith, Aero's scum.

Postie · Post Post #618 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:16 am

In post 613, algebra wrote:VOTE: Wyvernite
Scum team is in wyv aero Shannon

So why are you voting when you aren't sure you've hit scum and we're in Lylo? Unless you've ruled out an Aero/shannon team somehow?

Vedith · Post Post #619 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:21 am

In post 617, Postie wrote:It's okay Vedith, Aero's scum.

Well, this clears you from being scum at least.

If Shannon posts before 1 of them unvote and doesn't hammer, we have the scum team.

algebra · Post Post #620 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:00 am

VOTE: Aeronaut
fine then!

Vedith · Post Post #621 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:50 am

On way home now where I can catch up.
Noted that Algebra changed his vote instead of unvoting giving confidence in Shannon being town?
Can you explain your thought process on me, Shannon and Aero right now?

Aeronaut · Post Post #622 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:59 am

UNVOTE:

Aeronaut · Post Post #623 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 7:01 am

You have the chance to speak ved.

Just so everyone knows, I'm going to be phoneposting until Friday at the earliest because my computer screen is getting fixed.

Vedith · Post Post #624 (ISO) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:56 am

So this is where I am at.
Postie is confirmed scum to everyone now. Could have hammered me, and I could have hammered Aero (meaning we cannot be a scum team).

In post 100, Aeronaut wrote:i really would like to lynch algebra tbh

At this stage it seems like a distancing vote, just after Creature is showing focus else where (Only Creature and Aero voting Alg).

In post 105, shannon wrote:Algebra's ISO looks scummy so far, with the wagon hopping,
but I don't know whether scum would be that obvious?
He is even newer than I am so maybe it's newbie scum and the partner isn't around to give advice? Null leaning slightly to scum

This is called sitting on the fence.

In post 106, shannon wrote:I would vote Algebra but I don't want anyone at L-1 yet. So onward up the list I go.

VOTE: Flames

This is so bad, just after discussion of hammering Shannon won't L1 Alg.
Instead votes for an easier lynch and puts them to L2 instead.

In post 120, shannon wrote:@Dark Horse why didn't you announce L-1 on Algebra? And why have you voted there, given that you've tunnelled me all day but have said almost nothing (I don't want to say nothing in case I missed one) about him?

Seems to not like L1 on Alg, given that L1 wasn't stated but this looks like Shannon is pushing for deflection.

Aero returns back at 155 with Alg at L1. He doesn't shy away from his vote, however, with everyone being aware of the hammer situation, L1 isn't overally a threat imo at this stage and Aero gets a lot more town cred late game for staying on the wagon 9/10.

In post 160, Aeronaut wrote:because it would have been really easy for you to come in and say "Yeah I agree Algebra is scum" and just intent to hammer, and most people in this game wouldn't suspect you for it

What I don't like here is that Aero has already decided that Alg is town by posting this. He doesn't take in consideration that Postie or Shannon are the buddies of Alg (Strongly suggests Aero and Shannon team here)

161
Has Alg in the same area as DH in the reads, but doesn't actually say scum like he does on DH, yet voting Aero and keeping him on L1 without pushing him?

175 - Here we go, Aero changes vote, casually leaving Alg back on L2.
Took long enough considering he already thinks Alg is town!!!

163 - Over explaining here, seems forced and fake.

The whole back and forth with Postie and Aero is just Aero panicking as scum.

184 - I'm not even sure with this...

Skipping forward of that

In post 227, shannon wrote:I agree with this, and I think you're in a TvT battle.

Here we go, Shannon going for the both town tactic, lets look else where thing...

Some posts of Shannon 227 228 - I don't even know where Shannon stands on scum right now... Has the 3 main posters as town. That leaves 3 people left to be scum for her and not even a vote?!?!

In post 236, Postie wrote:@shannon - Why are you townreading Aero?

Gets ignored?

259 - I mean, we have the scum reads, right? But still no push or focus towards these, just seems more concerned on convincing Postie.

263 - This is dreadful, he doesn't have any concern on Shannon not scum hunting.

Skipping forward more

414 - Doesn't care as long as it's not on Shannon or Aero I guess...

In post 437, Postie wrote:And if TB isn't scum then the team's shannon-Aero in which case we've already lost.

Aero's hammer was shit. THIS IS NOT TOWN!!!

527 - Are you serious?

548 - ...

557 - ...

591 - ...

Aero and Shannon are scum.
Take my vote as if it's on Aero.