Mini 1857 Mod Topic

[JaeReed]

Setup

Mafia Goon
Mafia Goon
Mafia Jack of All Trades (1 shot strongman, 1 shot rolecop, 1 shot roleblocker)

Town Doctor
Town 2 shot Follower
Town Jack of All Trades (1 shot bulletproof, 1 shot jailkeeper, 1 shot gunsmith)
Town 1-Shot Universal Backup Neighbour
Town Neighbour
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie

Possible Results

For Follower possible results are “No Action”, “Blocking”, “Protective”, “Jailkeeping”, “Role Investigative”, "Action Investigative", “Killing”, “Miscellaneous”, and “No Result”.
Gunsmith – Role Investigative
Bulletproof – Protective
Jailkeeper – Jailkeeping
Role Cop – Role Investigative
Roleblocker – Blocking
Strongman – Killing
Doctor – Protective
Factional Kill – Killing
For Gunsmith possible results are "Has a Gun", "Does not have a Gun", and “No Result”.
For Rolecop possible results are "Vanilla", "Jack of All Trades (1-Shot Gunsmith, 1-Shot Bulletproof, 1-Shot Jailkeeper)", "Neighbour" "1-Shot Universal Backup Neighbour", "2-Shot Follower", "Doctor"

[JaeReed]

Randomize Roles & Playerlist

ironstove - Mafia Jack of All Trades
TTTT - Vanilla Townie
Sesq - Mafia Goon
Transcend - Town Jack of All Trades
Kohai - Town Doctor
ssbm_Kyouko - Vanilla Townie
Lil Uzi Vert - Town 2-Shot Follower
iamafluffyrabbit - Town 1-Shot Universal Backup Neighbour
rb - Mafia Goon
shannon - Vanilla Townie
Drone - Town Neighbour
Impoetic - Vanilla Townie
drealmerz7 - Vanilla Townie

Role PMs

Spoiler:

Welcome to Mini 1857, Sesq!
You are a

Mafia Goon

. Your partners are ironstove, a

Mafia Jack of All Trades

, and rb, a

Mafia Goon

.
You may talk with your team, day or night, in this thread.
Your team possesses a factional kill which any of you may perform during the night phase.
You win when mafia constitutes 50% of the remaining players with no other anti-town players not aligned with your faction alive, or nothing can prevent the same.
The game thread is here.
Please confirm by responding to this PM with your role and alignment.

Welcome to Mini 1857, rb!
You are a

Mafia Goon

. Your partners are ironstove, a

Mafia Jack of All Trades

, and rb, a

Mafia Goon

.
You may talk with your team, day or night, in this thread.
Your team possesses a factional kill which any of you may perform during the night phase.
You win when mafia constitutes 50% of the remaining players with no other anti-town players not aligned with your faction alive, or nothing can prevent the same.
The game thread is here.
Please confirm by responding to this PM with your role and alignment.

Welcome to Mini 1857, ironstove!
You are a

Mafia Jack of All Trades

. Your partners are Sesq, a

Mafia Goon

, and rb, a

Mafia Goon

.
You may talk with your team, day or night, in this thread.
Your abilities are:

1-Shot Strongman

– You may perform this along with your factional kill in order to bypass any protective or roleblocking abilities that would otherwise prevent your kill from succeeding.

1-Shot Rolecop

– You may choose a player to investigate at night for what role they are.

1-Shot Roleblocker

– You may choose a player to cause their action that night to fail.
Your team possesses a factional kill which any of you may perform during the night phase.
You win when mafia constitutes 50% of the remaining players with no other anti-town players not aligned with your faction alive, or nothing can prevent the same.
The game thread is here.
Please confirm by responding to this PM with your role and alignment.

Welcome to Mini 1857, TTTT!
You are a

Vanilla Townie

.
You have no powers except your vote and your voice.
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and at least one town player is still alive.
The game thread is here.
Please confirm by responding to this PM with your role and alignment.

Welcome to Mini 1857, ssbm_Kyouko!
You are a

Vanilla Townie

.
You have no powers except your vote and your voice.
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and at least one town player is still alive.
The game thread is here.
Please confirm by responding to this PM with your role and alignment.

Welcome to Mini 1857, shannon!
You are a

Vanilla Townie

.
You have no powers except your vote and your voice.
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and at least one town player is still alive.
The game thread is here.
Please confirm by responding to this PM with your role and alignment.

Welcome to Mini 1857, Impoetic!
You are a

Vanilla Townie

.
You have no powers except your vote and your voice.
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and at least one town player is still alive.
The game thread is here.
Please confirm by responding to this PM with your role and alignment.

Welcome to Mini 1857, drealmerz7!
You are a

Vanilla Townie

.
You have no powers except your vote and your voice.
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and at least one town player is still alive.
The game thread is here.
Please confirm by responding to this PM with your role and alignment.

Welcome to Mini 1857, Kohai!
You are a

Town Doctor

.
During the night you may target one player to protect them from being killed that night.
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and at least one town player is still alive.
The game thread is here.
Please confirm by responding to this PM with your role and alignment.

Welcome to Mini 1857, Transcend!
You are a

Town Jack of All Trades

.
Your abilities are:

1-Shot Bulletproof

– You may activate this at night to make yourself impervious to one killing action that night.

1-Shot Jailkeeper

– You may choose a player to jail at night, causing any actions by them or on them during that night phase to fail.

1-Shot Gunsmith

– You may choose a player to investigate for a gun that night. Possible results are “Has a gun”, “Does not have a gun”, and “No result”.
You may activate only one ability per night.
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and at least one town player is still alive.
The game thread is here.
Please confirm by responding to this PM with your role and alignment.

Welcome to Mini 1857, Lil Uzi Vert!
You are a

Town 2-Shot Follower

.
During the night you may target one player to learn what type of action, if any, they performed. Possible results are “No Action”, “Blocking”, “Protective”, “Jailkeeping”, “Role Investigative”, “Action Investigative”, “Killing”, “Miscellaneous”, and “No Result”.
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and at least one town player is still alive.
The game thread is here.
Please confirm by responding to this PM with your role and alignment.

Welcome to Mini 1857, iamafluffyrabbit!
You are a

Town 1-Shot Universal Backup Neighbour

.
You are neighbours with Drone, and can talk with them here at any time during the day or night phase.
You will inherit the role of the first town PR that dies. However, your inherited ability will be converted to a 1-shot power.
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and at least one town player is still alive.
The game thread is here.
Please confirm by responding to this PM with your role and alignment.

Welcome to Mini 1857, Drone!
You are a

Town Neighbour

.
You are neighbours with iamafluffyrabbit, and can talk with them here at any time during the day or night phase.
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and at least one town player is still alive.
The game thread is here.
Please confirm by responding to this PM with your role and alignment.

[JaeReed]

Redacted Role PMs for flips

Spoiler:

Welcome to Mini 1857, Sesq!
You are a

Mafia Goon

. [REDACTED]
You may talk with your team, day or night, in [REDACTED].
Your team possesses a factional kill which any of you may perform during the night phase.
You win when mafia constitutes 50% of the remaining players with no other anti-town players not aligned with your faction alive, or nothing can prevent the same.
The game thread is here.
Please confirm by responding to this PM with your role and alignment.

Welcome to Mini 1857, rb!
You are a

Mafia Goon

. [REDACTED]
You may talk with your team, day or night, in [REDACTED].
Your team possesses a factional kill which any of you may perform during the night phase.
You win when mafia constitutes 50% of the remaining players with no other anti-town players not aligned with your faction alive, or nothing can prevent the same.
The game thread is here.
Please confirm by responding to this PM with your role and alignment.

Welcome to Mini 1857, Raskolnikov!
You are a

Mafia Jack of All Trades

. [REDACTED]
You may talk with your team, day or night, in [REDACTED].
Your abilities are:

1-Shot Strongman

– You may perform this along with your factional kill in order to bypass any protective or roleblocking abilities that would otherwise prevent your kill from succeeding.

1-Shot Rolecop

– You may choose a player to investigate at night for what role they are.

1-Shot Roleblocker

– You may choose a player to cause their action that night to fail.
Your team possesses a factional kill which any of you may perform during the night phase.
You win when mafia constitutes 50% of the remaining players with no other anti-town players not aligned with your faction alive, or nothing can prevent the same.
The game thread is here.
Please confirm by responding to this PM with your role and alignment.

Welcome to Mini 1857, Titus!
You are a

Town 1-Shot Universal Backup Neighbour

.
You are neighbours with [REDACTED], and can talk with them [REDACTED] at any time during the day or night phase.
You will inherit the role of the first town PR that dies. However, your inherited ability will be converted to a 1-shot power.
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and at least one town player is still alive.
The game thread is here.
Please confirm by responding to this PM with your role and alignment.

Welcome to Mini 1857, Drone!
You are a

Town Neighbour

.
You are neighbours with [REDACTED], and can talk with them [REDACTED] at any time during the day or night phase.
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and at least one town player is still alive.
The game thread is here.
Please confirm by responding to this PM with your role and alignment.

Welcome to Mini 1857, TTTT!
You are a

Vanilla Townie

.
You have no powers except your vote and your voice.
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and at least one town player is still alive.
The game thread is here.
Please confirm by responding to this PM with your role and alignment.

Welcome to Mini 1857, ssbm_Kyouko!
You are a

Vanilla Townie

.
You have no powers except your vote and your voice.
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and at least one town player is still alive.
The game thread is here.
Please confirm by responding to this PM with your role and alignment.

Welcome to Mini 1857, shannon!
You are a

Vanilla Townie

.
You have no powers except your vote and your voice.
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and at least one town player is still alive.
The game thread is here.
Please confirm by responding to this PM with your role and alignment.

Welcome to Mini 1857, shadonra!
You are a

Vanilla Townie

.
You have no powers except your vote and your voice.
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and at least one town player is still alive.
The game thread is here.
Please confirm by responding to this PM with your role and alignment.

Welcome to Mini 1857, drealmerz7!
You are a

Vanilla Townie

.
You have no powers except your vote and your voice.
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and at least one town player is still alive.
The game thread is here.
Please confirm by responding to this PM with your role and alignment.

Welcome to Mini 1857, gerryoat!
You are a

Town Doctor

.
During the night you may target one player to protect them from being killed that night.
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and at least one town player is still alive.
The game thread is here.
Please confirm by responding to this PM with your role and alignment.

Welcome to Mini 1857, Transcend!
You are a

Town Jack of All Trades

.
Your abilities are:
1-Shot Bulletproof – You may activate this at night to make yourself impervious to one killing action that night.
1-Shot Jailkeeper – You may choose a player to jail at night, causing any actions by them or on them during that night phase to fail.
1-Shot Gunsmith – You may choose a player to investigate for a gun that night. Possible results are “Has a gun”, “Does not have a gun”, and “No result”.
You may activate only one ability per night.
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and at least one town player is still alive.
The game thread is here.
Please confirm by responding to this PM with your role and alignment.

Welcome to Mini 1857, Lil Uzi Vert!
You are a

Town 2-Shot Follower

.
During the night you may target one player to learn what type of action, if any, they performed. Possible results are “No Action”, “Blocking”, “Protective”, “Jailkeeping”, “Role Investigative”, “Action Investigative”, “Killing”, “Miscellaneous”, and “No Result”.
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and at least one town player is still alive.
The game thread is here.
Please confirm by responding to this PM with your role and alignment.

[JaeReed]

"Ah fuck yeah."

Transcend upon rolling town JOAT. I really hope he doesn't get N1ed with a strongman. That'd suck. It's a little bit of bad luck that he rolled this instead of VT since I can 100% see a scum team burning the strongman on him as a fear kill. It wouldn't even necessarily be good play by them or bad play by Transcend in this case; just lucky.

Well, we'll see.

[mastin2]

This game really comes down to the power players, as I see it: Transcend, and rb. (With a side of ironstove.)
The other players I'm not familiar with--presumably, that means they're mostly newbs.
But those are the two players I'd rate as "most notable" on both sides. ironstove is probably a net-positive to the scumteam, and with rb at their head, this is PROBABLY a scum win, but it really depends on how Transcend handles his role. He could save the town from ruins, or he could be the cause OF the town getting ruined, and it's all in how skillfully (or lack thereof) he handles his play this game.

[JaeReed]

Transcend just voted all 3 mafia in 2 pages. I can't even begin to describe how amused I am by that.

I'm hoping that Transcend doesn't decide to claim something early on and rely on the bulletproof/jailkeep to stay alive.

I think Transcend vs rb is a pretty good match up. I think you're right that they'll be the key players here. ironstove has mentioned before that his scum game is lacking (at the end of a newbie game I played with him, Banana Split). It'll be interesting to see how that goes down.

[JaeReed]

shannon I've seen as scum before but not town. As scum while I was spectating I had her as pretty much the townread I wouldn't have questioned myself on. She did a really good job and I think that was her first game too, so I'm interested to see her play as town and whether she manages to look that amazingly townie again.
Impoetic I'm friends with. She should be able to obvtown nicely but the issue I find with her town play is she starts to coast after getting townread, and doesn't have any confidence in her reads.
I'm interested to see how Lil Uzi goes with being the Follower too. The one game I played with him he had good reads but was lynchbait I think. Though with that said, in that game scum Transcend was strongarming his lynch so it's also possible he's not usually lynchbait.

The rest I don't really know enough to say anything either way. TTTT and Kohai are both alts I think. iamafluffyrabbit knows ironstove from off-site so maybe he'll have a chance at catching him based off play?

[JaeReed]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p8549085
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p8549390

Transcend is doing what I was hoping he would not do.

[mhsmith0]

Softing your PR really blatantly is typically not what you want to do. We shall see if the wolves pick up on it or not.

I suspect the game will come down to which relatively newer players play well and which really don't. Always hard to guess how that's gonna go.

I played with shannon in newbie 1691 (I think her first MS game? iirc her scum game came after that), she was tracker and did ok but accidentally made it really obvious to the wolves but not to the doc but i think overall she did ok.

[mhsmith0]

Also depends on whether or not sesq ACTUALLY hard-busses both teammates since that's actually a terrible idea

[JaeReed]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p8552046
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p8552125

I think my sympathy for his impending death ran out. fluffy seems to be softing backup to him, but it's a little more subtle at least I think. Or maybe I'm reading into his posts too much.

[JaeReed]

Could also sound like he's softing doc tho

[JaeReed]

fluffy looks like a content pusher which is good I think. Drone correctly identified the neighbourhood being more likely to be both town, so we'll see how that goes.

I was surprised to see Imp being seriously run up. Haven't seen that one before.

[JaeReed]

So, with Kohai requesting replacement and gerry's request to replace in when a slot opened this just got a little more interesting I'd say.

[JaeReed]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p8564003

^ that opening.

[mastin2]

You know, this might actually be something to write an MD post for.
I've talked about playing good as scum, but having

fun

as scum is the first step towards playing good as scum, because if you're not having fun as scum, you're not going to do well as scum and your scumgame becomes transparent off of tone if nothing else: livelihood off of enjoying town, apathy off of hating scum, and all that.

So I think I could share some of my tips about having fun. But obviously not in the mafia thread while the game's ongoing.

[JaeReed]

Lol, yeah I wish I could help them with motivation. It's sad watching someone not give it their all because they don't like playing as a certain alignment.

I mean... I enjoy town so much that I played survivor as town in an off-site game >.> My reads were awful, thankfully! But it doesn't change the fact that I really didn't play to my alignment effectively because I have a clear preference. If you end up making that post would you mind linking me to it?

[mhsmith0]

It's often hard for me to be motivated as scum. I enjoy the solving aspect as town and I'm legitimately good at it (though I have occassional off games), and I'm REALLY good at town-telling as town and being nearly unlynchable (with VERY rare off games). When I'm a wolf I'm not really good at it and my WIM is a lot lower usually. Even more so when there isn't day chat.

[mastin2]

Transcend is going to use his 1x BP tonight.
He is also likely to be doc protected.
Unfortunately, it's irrelevant because the scum got exactly what they wanted: him to hardclaim, so now they're gonna strongman him.

Even if rb is lynched--and that's not a guarantee--the scum just gained the edge this game.

[JaeReed]

Yup, that's exactly what he plans to do.

"do u see my crumbs?

im baiting a kill my way n1 lol"

in PM earlier in the day phase.

[JaeReed]

I can't tell if he deserves to be N1'ed or not. On the one hand, his play looks extremely silly to me as the mod, on the other, he doesn't know the setup, and I'm not sure I should expect him to make the realization that there might be something that could still kill him despite the bp.

[JaeReed]

tfw you claim and still can't get scum lynched, lol

[JaeReed]

I really couldn't wait to post that VC because I wanted to rub it in Transcend's face that his precious rb wagon wasn't even at L2 anymore.

Sometimes I ask myself whether I am a cruel person at heart. The answer is yes.

[mastin2]

You play mafia.

The answer to whether you're a terrible person can be found in that fact alone.

In spite of its roots as being called technically a party game, it has FAR exceeded games like Monopoly in being anything but.

[mastin2]

Also, rb is gonna feel a biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit bitter when he realizes there was not only a protective role in the form of the JOAT, but a second in the form of the doctor...and a THIRD in the form of the BACKUP.

But, killing Transcend even with the strongman is far more advantageous than not.
On the other hand, it also lets the backup know that the scum had a strongman, since when they inherit the role, they'll know the BP was used yet Transcend still died, so if they put 2 and 2 together...