Open 658 Making Friends and Enemies | Game Over

Secret Agent Jin · Post Post #1575 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 11:06 am

If the other mason vouches for me then we have two revealed masons that mafia WILL kill. If people unvote me and we lynch someone then only i am revealed and the other mason is still anonymous which leaves mafia unknowning of other mason.

Secret Agent Jin · Post Post #1576 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 11:07 am

How about Titus unvotes me and i unvote her so we arent at L-1 while trying to discuss this?

Titus · Post Post #1577 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 11:11 am

In post 1574, Creature wrote:What if we try to lynch the other scum?

I am not unvoting SAJ without a vouch.

Creature · Post Post #1578 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 11:12 am

I don't think it'd be nice to go for 3p LyLo with no confirms.

BK201 · Post Post #1579 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 11:16 am

In post 1574, Creature wrote:What if we try to lynch the other scum?

How do you suggest we do that without any confirms/flips. I'm voting for who I believe is scum, it's less reliable to go for who I think that person's partner is because I have to be right about 2 things instead of 1 thing. Same goes for everyone on SAJ wagon too.

Titus · Post Post #1580 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 11:19 am

Why are you talking about lylo Creature?

If someone vouches for SAJ, we get two confirms.

We'd have to mislynch twice in a row to get to 3p lylo and the masons would have major influence.

Secret Agent Jin · Post Post #1581 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 11:21 am

In post 1579, BK201 wrote:
In post 1574, Creature wrote:What if we try to lynch the other scum?
How do you suggest we do that without any confirms/flips. I'm voting for who I believe is scum, it's less reliable to go for who I think that person's partner is because I have to be right about 2 things instead of 1 thing. Same goes for everyone on SAJ wagon too.

You are right about the vote for who you think is scum thing but the problem is everyone on my wagon will be prime suspects tomorrow after my flip.

Titus · Post Post #1582 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 11:21 am

That also supposes we cannot hunt using the information gathered by knowing two masons.

Creature, are you scum?

Titus · Post Post #1583 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 11:23 am

In post 1581, Secret Agent Jin wrote:
In post 1579, BK201 wrote:
In post 1574, Creature wrote:What if we try to lynch the other scum?
How do you suggest we do that without any confirms/flips. I'm voting for who I believe is scum, it's less reliable to go for who I think that person's partner is because I have to be right about 2 things instead of 1 thing. Same goes for everyone on SAJ wagon too.
You are right about the vote for who you think is scum thing but the problem is everyone on my wagon will be prime suspects tomorrow after my flip.

So what? It's how the game is played.

I don't care about looking bad. I care about catching scum, which you likely are.

Stop trying to pass off your survivalism as paternalism. Both make me want to lynch you.

Creature · Post Post #1584 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 11:29 am

In post 1580, Titus wrote:Why are you talking about lylo Creature?

If someone vouches for SAJ, we get two confirms.

We'd have to mislynch twice in a row to get to 3p lylo and the masons would have major influence.

Who are then going to die the next two nights.

Titus · Post Post #1585 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:17 pm

A mason and hopefully no one.

Creature · Post Post #1586 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:19 pm

Don't hammer yet.

Titus · Post Post #1587 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:33 pm

Pretty sure you are the only non voter Creature. So why are you saying not to hammer?

We also need to give everyone time to vouch or not. That is unless you already know SAJ is scum.

Secret Agent Jin · Post Post #1588 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:08 pm

I want to put this out there right now, i dont, under any circumstance, want my partner to reveal themselves today. I also want it noted that Titus is still fighting for my lynch even after my reveal. Please hammer Titus or lynch her tomorrow after i flip Mason.

Titus · Post Post #1589 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:22 pm

^^^ SAJ has no partner and is trying to make me look bad or draw a CC.

Secret Agent Jin · Post Post #1590 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:25 pm

^^^ Titus is trying to push a lynch on a Mason claim

Titus · Post Post #1591 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:27 pm

^^ Tried to fakeclaim mason and is desperately squirming to get out of it.

Secret Agent Jin · Post Post #1592 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:31 pm

Answer me this: Why would i claim mason as scum when the masons could just vote me without revealing?

Secret Agent Jin · Post Post #1593 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:33 pm

Please, someone just end this. Hammer me and then the rest will look at the hammerer and Titus as scum tomorrow or hammer Titus and she flips scum.

If she really was town then she wouldnt push so heavily against a mason claim.

Titus · Post Post #1594 (ISO) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 3:22 pm

In post 1592, Secret Agent Jin wrote:Answer me this: Why would i claim mason as scum when the masons could just vote me without revealing?

Scum (meaning you) don't know who the masons are. They want a CC to help the last scum.

The ideal play is for your buddy to vouch for you, thus triggerring unvotes or you to be outed scum.

havingfitz · Post Post #1595 (ISO) » Tue Nov 29, 2016 2:41 am

Regarding SAJ's claim.

Pushed to L-1 and claims VT and gives a good rundown of how the numbers would play off D4. I could see this appeal coming from either town or scum really.
But wait....very next SAJ post is a mason claim!

Safe to say SAJ is not a VT fakeclaiming to save his life at the expense of outing a real mason.

Does scum on the verge of getting lynched make a last ditch effort to out one or both mason? Sure. But if SAJ IS fakeclaiming scum...why no counterclaim? IMO...if SAJ is scum...there has been no mason CC because 1) it would take outing both masons to confirm SAJ is lying...only one CC would leave open the coin flip that one was scum and one was mason; and most importantly 2) if SAJ is scum fakeclaiming mason...then the masons are both still unknowns and they are poised to eliminate half the remaining scum without claiming. Then they are free and clear to claim tomorrow and auto-win the game if the last scum doesn't hit a mason tonight. If SAJ is today's lynch and flips scum...odds are his partner is BK or Flubber so a town win is almost guaranteed.

What if SAJ actually is a mason? Then the preemptive VT claim was a very bad move. Being wishy washy with claims does not instill confidence in those you are trying to convince. A vouch by a mason partner would save you and would lead us to a LYLO situation tomorrow (w/1 confirmed town)...unless saving you resulted in today's lynch being scum. Then tomorrow would not be LYLO.

So I'm on the fence. I suspected SAJ as scum and could actually see strong benefits to masons not saying anything to lock in the SAJ lynch if they can get the lynch without claiming.
If SAJ IS telling the truth....and winds up being today's lynch...then we are down one mason and scum have a smaller pool of targets tonight. Potentially getting the last mason and being in 5 player LYLO tomorrow with no confirmed town. But if SAJ's partner vouches for him....we go into tomorrow with one confirmed town (as one of the masons would be NK'd) and possibly a non-LYLO situation if scum is lynched today...with potential for a town win tomorrow and worst case 3 player LYLO with no confirmed town.

So I think silence implicates SAJ further and really there is no way around the other mason not vouching if SAJ's claim is legit.

Creature · Post Post #1596 (ISO) » Tue Nov 29, 2016 3:04 am

Get out of SAJ.

Flubbernugget · Post Post #1597 (ISO) » Tue Nov 29, 2016 3:12 am

In post 1534, Secret Agent Jin wrote:You included me in the bussing, just wondering if there was a reason.

I could agree on Titus but i want to also know why she voted me.

VOTE: Titus

is titus scum

Flubbernugget · Post Post #1598 (ISO) » Tue Nov 29, 2016 3:19 am

In post 1574, Creature wrote:What if we try to lynch the other scum?

as in, you think saj is scum?

Creature · Post Post #1599 (ISO) » Tue Nov 29, 2016 3:20 am

No, I don't.