New Year's Eve Masquerade Ball - [Game Over]

[Dunnstral]

One of my preferred scumhunting methods is watching people interact with confirmed town. Scum will try to discredit them any way they can.

Scum will try to discredit the ic?




probably not

[mhsmith0]

One of my preferred scumhunting methods is watching people interact with confirmed town. Scum will try to discredit them any way they can.

Oh good, did someone already do that? Or are you just needlessly telling the wolves what not to do? If you're trying to play the "bad town" card, please stop.

[Human Sequencer]

Parma is right by the way, Shadow literally just lied about his perspective at an earlier point in the game.
We can't not lynch shadow today. No way.

[inspectorscout]

You're making a list of things she could have said but are failing to explain why any of them would actually be helpful to you.

Let's start with the first one: that she thinks pie is a wolf (it's a reasonably obvious possible answer). Having her out that read at a time when pie isn't under pressure isn't necessarily helpful to anyone, since if pie is suspicious it's more helpful to have other people be bringing up points there, and then if pie flips wolf you can better evaluate who pressured her and why. Like, walk through that scenario, where the actual answer is that nahdia suspects pie, and come up with a town-positive reason for her to out that suspicion, because I don't see any.

Instead, it looks like you're either fake scum-hunting the IC or maybe just asking the IC to tell you what to think. Which is, at best, lazy town.

So because I'm not the IC I'm supposed to shit out reads but the IC shouldn't. Bullshit, the IC is our most valuable player and should voice her thoughts. She asked you about a specific player and I wanted to know why that player in particular. Not because I find Nahdia questionable, but it seemed to be an odd player to ask about.

Either of those answers gives me a clearer view of her reads and on the way she thinks. It's the way I play and the way I think. Unless I think you're scum I consider your reads and want to know why they are that way. It's called a town, not a single player.

[inspectorscout]

OK now maybe you're onto something MH.

Perhaps. I probably need to ISO him and see where that goes, but at the very least that was a ping and something he did a pretty poor job defending on.

"I need to iso him"
= I'm going to try and find wood to fuel bias. Go ahead, I'm interested in seeing you do stuff.

[MiniDeathStar]

Parma is right by the way, Shadow literally just lied about his perspective at an earlier point in the game.
We can't not lynch shadow today. No way.

I agree with this btw. I'm just waiting on Jester to see if he can convince me otherwise.

[Human Sequencer]

He literally just told me he's unsure. How is that biased?

[mhsmith0]

So because I'm not the IC I'm supposed to shit out reads but the IC shouldn't. Bullshit, the IC is our most valuable player and should voice her thoughts. She asked you about a specific player and I wanted to know why that player in particular. Not because I find Nahdia questionable, but it seemed to be an odd player to ask about.

Either of those answers gives me a clearer view of her reads and on the way she thinks. It's the way I play and the way I think. Unless I think you're scum I consider your reads and want to know why they are that way. It's called a town, not a single player.

The IC being open and clear about reads, especially super early in the game, is less of a priority than everyone else being open and clear about reads (especially since the IC can't possibly be NK'd before a number of lynches happen first). It's a strange priority for a town player to have at this juncture.

PS If SAD is a wolf, then MDS is pretty likely a wolf too for the IS WK.

[Dunnstral]

Seeing how the last game went, I think it's better to push a lynch on your own partner instead of suiciding if you think they are scum.
Town have more info if there is a lynch.

Fwiw this almost exactly mirrored what I'd said to pie in our PT earlier. Minor possible partner points there, thought I'd like to think they wouldn't make that easy of an error.

Also exactly mirrors what I said earlier:

Can you stop giving up by the way

If you think he's town don't leave the dance. Make other people vote for him.

I don't townread him enough to trust in my own abilities

You shouldn't suicide a null read.

Make other people vote for him. Even if he's scum we get information

There shouldn't be any case where you do that

I'm saying town gets more information and scum have to potentially reach to try to lynch him.

If he's scum, we still get more information from a lynch

You don't know what a last resort is. You just want to die a hero. But you're not.

What did you think of this?

[Dunnstral]

Shadow is just mirroring what I said to Maria? (about him, no less)

[Dunnstral]

PS If SAD is a wolf, then MDS is pretty likely a wolf too for the IS WK.

And which would you lynch first?

[mhsmith0]

One of my preferred scumhunting methods is watching people interact with confirmed town. Scum will try to discredit them any way they can.

@Dunn: I'd missed you making the point the first time. Lessens the possible connection between shadow and pie, but makes shadow's point on that subject even sheepier than I'd thought.

[mhsmith0]

PS If SAD is a wolf, then MDS is pretty likely a wolf too for the IS WK.

And which would you lynch first?

Not sure. Just kinda reacting at this juncture, since there's a bunch of stuff I haven't really read yet.

[Human Sequencer]

@mh, I am unfamiliar with the term 'WK', could you please educate me?

[inspectorscout]

So because I'm not the IC I'm supposed to shit out reads but the IC shouldn't. Bullshit, the IC is our most valuable player and should voice her thoughts. She asked you about a specific player and I wanted to know why that player in particular. Not because I find Nahdia questionable, but it seemed to be an odd player to ask about.

Either of those answers gives me a clearer view of her reads and on the way she thinks. It's the way I play and the way I think. Unless I think you're scum I consider your reads and want to know why they are that way. It's called a town, not a single player.

The IC being open and clear about reads, especially super early in the game, is less of a priority than everyone else being open and clear about reads (especially since the IC can't possibly be NK'd before a number of lynches happen first). It's a strange priority for a town player to have at this juncture.

PS If SAD is a wolf, then MDS is pretty likely a wolf too for the IS WK.

But I'm not asking her to be open with her reads? I indirectly asked if that was an attempt at scumhunting on you, genuine interest in your read for some reason or lack of own reads? I didn't have a good read on you, and neither on pie.

Why, if you think I'm scum, are you even talking about SAD? Do you think we are both scum? You saying this shows that you are either townreading me or throwing shade.

As you would put it:
You're attempting to find associative tells before any informational flip has occured. It's a strange priority for a town player to have at this juncture.

[inspectorscout]

He literally just told me he's unsure. How is that biased?

...
Just wait and see, young padawan.

[mhsmith0]

@mh, I am unfamiliar with the term 'WK', could you please educate me?

white knight

[Human Sequencer]

Ah ok. Thanks.

Scout calm down, he literally never even called you scum lmao

[Dunnstral]

I don't trust you as much~
Besides that your reads are probably trash~
Just like last game~

By all means, go ahead.

Did you explain why you don't trust me or why you're discrediting my reads?

[Dunnstral]

Also you're openly sheeping my read so

[inspectorscout]

I know
But he is trying to discredit my play. He called me 'lazy town at best' while I definitely had a reason for asking

[mhsmith0]

@mh, I am unfamiliar with the term 'WK', could you please educate me?

So because I'm not the IC I'm supposed to shit out reads but the IC shouldn't. Bullshit, the IC is our most valuable player and should voice her thoughts. She asked you about a specific player and I wanted to know why that player in particular. Not because I find Nahdia questionable, but it seemed to be an odd player to ask about.

Either of those answers gives me a clearer view of her reads and on the way she thinks. It's the way I play and the way I think. Unless I think you're scum I consider your reads and want to know why they are that way. It's called a town, not a single player.

The IC being open and clear about reads, especially super early in the game, is less of a priority than everyone else being open and clear about reads (especially since the IC can't possibly be NK'd before a number of lynches happen first). It's a strange priority for a town player to have at this juncture.

PS If SAD is a wolf, then MDS is pretty likely a wolf too for the IS WK.

But I'm not asking her to be open with her reads? I indirectly asked if that was an attempt at scumhunting on you, genuine interest in your read for some reason or lack of own reads? I didn't have a good read on you, and neither on pie.

Why, if you think I'm scum, are you even talking about SAD? Do you think we are both scum? You saying this shows that you are either townreading me or throwing shade.

As you would put it:
You're attempting to find associative tells before any informational flip has occured. It's a strange priority for a town player to have at this juncture.

Identifying connections between players is sometimes interesting, including to see how people react to it. You seem to think that this is unreasonable. Is it because

1) You think that the idea of a SAD-MDS team makes no sense?
or
2) Because "it's just too early" to look at how people might be connected together?
or
3) Something else?

Because the MDS WK of you at that spot was itself pretty interesting and IMO worth commenting on. Do you disagree?

[MiniDeathStar]

Oh I just figured out WK means whiteknighting. Lmao I'm slow.

MhSmith, you gave me your walls of text explaining why townies make careless mistakes a lot more than wolves, and why digging into those instead of analysing votes, stances and reads is something a wolf would attempt. So I thought you were bullshitting us. My scumread on you has nothing to do with my read on inspector or Arthur.

[mhsmith0]

I know
But he is trying to discredit my play. He called me 'lazy town at best' while I definitely had a reason for asking

Except that it was a terrible reason, which shows that you're not prioritizing your sorting in what I would consider a reasonable manner. Which means IMO you're being intellectually lazy with that question, which is either wolf or lazy town. Not sure which yet, but yes it was bad on your end.

[Human Sequencer]

@Dunn
I don't trust you as much because my Pie townread is stronger than my Dunn townread, and I was being coy that entire post.

Like I said, feel free to go right ahead and convince me on Jester/mini.