New Year's Eve Masquerade Ball - [Game Over]

[Cerberus v666]

That's more like the way things work 72 hours out.

Down under a day, people arent so reasonable most of the time, because they don't have time to sit around waiting for answers. A few people will drop a vote, and then everybody else will sheep out of paranoia that a no lynch will happen.

Anyways, this is fluff, except for the part where I told the two other wagons thst they should pile onto this one if they want to survive. :p

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

(This is the definition of a low energy option though, but it's possible both of the other targets of wagons, being survivalistic, will all join, bringing this up to 6, at which point the game will probably just default to this or a no lynch.)

Believe it or not, I love doing this.

Taking a seemingly unlynchable wagon, catch something super scummy that makes me confident that they'll flip scum, and wagon them near deadline. Why? Because more people are willing to jump on them. It's a fresh wagon, a fresh breath of air from the stale wagons people have been debating over. But much more importantly, it leaves scum with much less room to wiggle out of it, much less room to talk it out, or to try to switch the dynamic elsewhere.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

That's more like the way things work 72 hours out.

Down under a day, people arent so reasonable most of the time, because they don't have time to sit around waiting for answers. A few people will drop a vote, and then everybody else will sheep out of paranoia that a no lynch will happen.

Mehhh maybe I have different timesets because I'm used to playing/spectating on another site before my haitus where games have 36hr long days and 8hr nights. So I am much more used to reading and feeling the dynamics of lynches with a few hours left.

[Parama]

I mean if your argument is that im not reading the thread then lol

[Cerberus v666]

That's more like the way things work 72 hours out.

Down under a day, people arent so reasonable most of the time, because they don't have time to sit around waiting for answers. A few people will drop a vote, and then everybody else will sheep out of paranoia that a no lynch will happen.

Mehhh maybe I have different timesets because I'm used to playing/spectating on another site before my haitus where games have 36hr long days and 8hr nights. So I am much more used to reading and feeling the dynamics of lynches with a few hours left.

*nods* I came from a site with 48h days and 24h nights, so yeah, makes sense. People start freaking out here when there's 3 or 4 days left.

[Cerberus v666]

Naw Parama, just had a stupid gut suspicion regarding both of you honestly, which I was never able to go research so fuck it, I'm happy with you gone.

Plus you're the pair who, as a whole, will remove the most bloat from the game. :p

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 1.20

The_Jester - MiniDeathStar [3] - pieguyn, Nahdia, MiniDeathStar
Human Sequencer - Parama [2] - Ser Arthur Dayne, Cerberus v666
Ser Arthur Dayne - inspectorscout [0] -
Cerberus v666 - Nahdia [0] -
mhsmith0 - pieguyn [4] - inspectorscout, Dunnstral, mhsmith0, MariaR
Dunnstral - Kagami [1] - Shadow_step
Shadow_step - MariaR [3] - Parama, Human Sequencer, Kagami

Not Voting [1]

- The_Jester

With 14 alive it takes 8 votes to lynch

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Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2016-12-15 17:00:00)

[pieguyn]

why don't people want to lynch Jester?

has he done something town?

has he done *literally fucking anything*?

why in god's green earth does anyone think he's town???

I'll help with S_S/Maria if it really comes down to it, but Jester first, plesae, please.

[Cerberus v666]

Honestly, I don't want to lynch MDS, and I lack cause to lynch Jester.

[pieguyn]

he has not even attempted to do anything at all over the course of this entire game. he has had no serious pushes, besides his push on you right at the very start of the game which was thoroughly awful, and after that he's basically just faded away and done nothing besides sheeping what are basically near-consensus scum reads (GE and Kagami).

what about that do you read as town?

[mhsmith0]

Honestly, I don't want to lynch MDS, and I lack cause to lynch Jester.

basically where I am. I'm pretty sure MDS is town, and I feel like "jester's doing jack shit" is maybe slightly scum-indicative, but not so much that I'd really want to string him up on that alone.

[Dunnstral]

Hey why don't you explain why instead of being useless as always

Because we went over it on like page fucking 5 which means you either don't care about this game enough to read it because you're scum or just bullshitting randomly.

Why is this a concern when Maria does it but you ignore the fact that Parama did the same the page before your post?

This applies to you as well Dunn.

No it doesn't.

[mhsmith0]

he has not even attempted to do anything at all over the course of this entire game. he has had no serious pushes, besides his push on you right at the very start of the game which was thoroughly awful, and after that he's basically just faded away and done nothing besides sheeping what are basically near-consensus scum reads (GE and Kagami).

what about that do you read as town?

nothing, really. i just read it as null-scum, and have enough of a town-read on his partner that I'm not super stoked on potentially blowing a mislynch. like, it would be nice if there was something more concrete I could point to as actually being obvious scum, as opposed to "let's hope he's lurkerscum and not just useless town"

PS working on some of my responses to you on the other stuff btw, will take some time.

[Human Sequencer]

oh hey hello there we're a wagon now lmao
arthur is misguided town starting a wagon in the wrong place, cerb is scummy scum trying to build a wagon off of it
jester/cerb are scum, last scum is probably in {shadow/mariar}

[pieguyn]

and people wonder why I think Jester-scum implies mhsmith-scum.

p-edit: HS vote Jester with me.

[pieguyn]

you, Kagami, Maria means we would have 7/8.

[Human Sequencer]

Shadow_step - MariaR [4] - Parama, Human Sequencer, Kagami
mod can't count, reported to list mod for shoddy modding :^)

ok i guess, shadow/mariar has zero potential energy

VOTE: jester
we better murderball mariar/shadow tomorrow

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Shadow_step - MariaR [4] - Parama, Human Sequencer, Kagami
mod can't count, reported to list mod for shoddy modding :^)

I'm still there in spirit he's counting that.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

you, Kagami, Maria means we would have 7/8.

Ftr I will hammer any L-1 wagon at this point I just want a flip before I go insane.

Here they are in preference though:

Parama/Shadow
MDS
mhsmith

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

oh hey hello there we're a wagon now lmao
arthur is misguided town starting a wagon in the wrong place, cerb is scummy scum trying to build a wagon off of it
jester/cerb are scum, last scum is probably in {shadow/mariar}

Idk how to tell you this HS you're p cool but you got paired with scum :/

[Parama]

you should be apologizing to scout

[mhsmith0]

So I finally got around to meta'ing pie.

Summer waltz (last iteration of this setup - pie!town)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Perfect Cherry Blossom (pie!wolf)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Badass women (pie!wolf)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Micro 488 (pie!town)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Not 100% (sample size of 2 of each alignment), but I get a sense that her town game is more emotional, more frustrated, more intense, compared to her scum game, where she sounds reasonable, asks decent questions, has ok tone, but basically plays a much more toned-down game, largely devoid of emotion and intensity.

So basically she's a lot like Titus. Which I suppose would have been useful to know about 100 pages ago.

UNVOTE:

PS Go look at mini 1821 and search for "fuck". It shows up a bunch, but in almost every case it's, for a lack of a better word, dry.

one example:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p8195256
reads semi-emotional at first glance, but no emotional follow-up at all; her next post doens't touch kraska, and the following one is back to blah tone-wise

another:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p8253440
double-swear, theoretically there's emotion, but you really look at it and it's actually a dry post

Micro 640, similar story
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p8287695
three fuck post, still dry as hell


Summer Waltz

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p8129721
not dry, showing actual contempt for whoever she's talking to

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p8134603
swears in the context of an engagement in a read

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p8135991
very very very obviously a post with emotion

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p8136093
frustraytion post

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p8149322
a post that would read as fake by a decent # of people (not really a hard ATE post for most to fake), but I don't see similar examples in her scum game

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p8151444
obvious contempt in post
etc (though obviously there are counter examples of some dry posts too)

Micro 488
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p6952052
post with emotion

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p6952055
obvious emotion and contempt

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p6952466
frustration post

etc

[pieguyn]

So basically she's a lot like Titus. Which I suppose would have been useful to know about 100 pages ago.

you're trolling me, right?

[mhsmith0]

PPS go ISO pie in this one, search for "fuck". The first few instances more like her scum game posts. 3304 and on? Town!pie. 3328 especially, since I haven't see *any* evidence she actually fakes that kind of emotional reaction (or has a real one like that) as scum.

[mhsmith0]

So basically she's a lot like Titus. Which I suppose would have been useful to know about 100 pages ago.

you're trolling me, right?

In terms of your emotional connection to a game? Not really? Like, every game Titus is in (excpeting newbies) she's off the wall and super intense and arrogant as town, and as scum she's "fine", but her posts are kinda boring and she's more of a "make good posts that make sense" kind of player as opposed to just being kinda crazy like she is as twon.

Obviously not a perfect analogue, but in terms of being emotional and intense as town and not really doing that as scum, I think it's a reasonable comparison.