Mini Normal 1857 (Game Over - Mafia Wins!)

[drealmerz7]

this is what scum likes, btw

drone or titus or luv or shannon is the lynch

vote who you think is scummiest

GO

[JaeReed]

VC 2.16

shannon (3)

: Raskolnikov, drealmerz7, ssbm_Kyouko

Raskolnikov (1)

: Sesq

gerryoat (1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

: Drone

Titus (1)

: Lil Uzi Vert

Lil Uzi Vert (1)

: TTTT

Drone (1)

: Titus

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, gerryoat

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

[TTTT]

@gerryBFF & @imp
why aren't you voting?

[drealmerz7]

seriously

it's like they don't know how to play

[shannon]

@shannon
Are you ever going to answer this?
I've asked three times

I think you and LUV are both town. D7 town. SSBM town. Impoetic town. (The last two are my weakest two reads)

Scum within Gerry, Drone, TTTT, Rask.

you left sesq out.
what's your read?

Right, sorry, Sesq I'm on the fence about.

[gerryoat]

VOTE: lil uzi

[shannon]

this is what scum likes, btw

drone or titus or luv or shannon is the lynch

vote who you think is scummiest

GO

In the spirit of moving toward a compromise: VOTE: Drone

[TTTT]

@Rask
plz talk to me about Imp & sesq
other than your vote on shannon I don't know where you stand on anyone

[Drone]

Drealm.
Why did you want to "lynch Transcend if rb flipped town"?

Answer this question already.

@TTTT
It's gut/meta dependent.

[Titus]

VOTE: unvote

[Raskolnikov]

Okay, I should have a lot more free time for this now.

[Raskolnikov]

This is the thing: I can't have reads independently theories on what's happening with the claims. And I don't think any of you have independent reads, either.

If every read required looking into the claim and speculation than there would be no concept of scumhunting until every person claimed.
Obviously it ties into a read and you don't straight up ignore it but it doesn't all out replace it and you look at both together... Anyone can make judgements like "I scumread them but the claim is really believable" or more rarely "they were okay but I don't really buy the claim" but I see you talk almost exclusively about the mechanical aspects and not give other reasoning or backing. I need to see more transparency as to the why and the thought processes going on if you have them.

And really, are people going to wait for me to flip town before they look starting further than Titus and Uzi?

See here you don't go into enough detail. You have a pool that you want other people to look at but you don't do anything yourself to further this; if you know what the right direction is why don't you look into yourself? And you end up compromising soon after too.
I take issue believing you genuinely want what you say you do when you don't do much more about it than complaining.

[Raskolnikov]

Don't be melodramatic.

I think you and LUV are both town. D7 town. SSBM town. Impoetic town. (The last two are my weakest two reads)

Scum within Gerry, Drone, TTTT, Rask.

So this is PoE then?
Do you have a preference specifically?
From your gerryoat vote I'd assume you wanted gerryoat the most, but I have my own questions regarding that in my case if you could answer them.

All in all he's probably town, being the first one to call out LUV for legitimate reasons and he was pretty clearly the counterwagon to rb d1 (which is pretty rarely scum).
I've played with him before (... that fucking pinger lynch ) and nothing's really standing out.

In the spirit of moving toward a compromise: VOTE: Drone

Why do you prefer gerry over drone?

Noticed thing #3: Yeah, the wagons on gerry and iron (now rask) should be looked upon. I never understood people scumreading drone, but I do more now, kind of, not really.

Can you explain in your own words what you agree with and disagree with?

[TTTT]

@Rask
plz talk to me about Imp & sesq
other than your vote on shannon I don't know where you stand on anyone

[Raskolnikov]

I'm not sure on drone.
He's been consistent with his interest in my slot so I actually like that he followed that through to me initially, but I don't know if the turn away on that is realistic. We've played before but not THAT much so I'm not sure if the "oh hey its rask this is rask is a nutshell I know" attitude is justified or buddyingish.
Had problems with shannon just earlier but didn't join the wagon and started criticizing it for composition with shannon as a null/need-more-info read.

pedit: I'm not done yet

[Raskolnikov]

(I believed the rates for 1 scum in 2 neighbours is very very low)

Do you remember where you got this from? Having the actual statistic would be useful here.

[Raskolnikov]

@TTTT
Lean town on imp. Kind of townslipped actually if you read my post on shannon where I talk about that wagon. I've probably already had more impact on the game than she's had throughout her existence but that isn't even a bad thing for someone who said they preferred to play as scum I think? Without much action there's only really tone, which although self-absorbed doesn't look overtly malicious... she should be pressured for more tomorrow but it's a bit late to start that today.

Sesq I'm reserving judgement on until I can question her push onto me.

[Raskolnikov]

@Shannon

1. Why did you vote titus for "more info" without actually asking her anything? What specifically did you want from her at that point?
2. What happened to your townread on titus's slot from fluffyrabbit regarding that push? I don't understand how you townread both titus's slot and impoetic d1 and then voted both of them early d2.
3. 1794 you suggest titus be lynched if she isn't killed, 1866 suggest both titus and luv report on the same person (which doesn't even prove align, just role) but you say you strong townread both of them. I don't see the logic behind pushing for either of these if you heavily townread both slots?

[Raskolnikov]

@LUV
I just don't get why you claimed your shannon result when neither of you were wagons at the time, I know I could've missed some of the context but I don't see how it would've accomplished pretty much anything.
Your reasoning in 1815 is you claimed so scum wouldn't target you because they'd think you useless but I still think you'd attract more attention that way than just... not doing anything?
I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt for another result, considering you're still somewhat new but eehhh.

You can make an argument for claiming as 1-shot because you don't have any more results but yeah the logic doesn't really follow for 2...

[Sesq]

Rask, the reason I'm reading you the most is because your previous slotman, ironstove, was very scummy and inconsistent, and it feels like you're tunneling on someone now who seems less scum and more unskilled town

[Titus]

Twitchy mctwitch face

[Raskolnikov]

@mod

@mod would a follower detect BP activation by JOAT?

[Raskolnikov]

Sesq do you have any issue with my push beyond who I replaced?

You initially said you thought it was a good case so I'm interested in hearing what changed.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

@Rask - The context referred to in 1993:
LUV/shannon were supposed to be a vig shot or a cop target last night when rb flipped scum because they were teamtelling with him and each other early on and even later in the day as rb grew more suspicious.

[Titus]

Hi Rask, you going to question me?

Dance McDanceface