New Year's Eve Masquerade Ball - [Game Over]

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

and just wanted to solve the game.

Is he waiting for an epiphany or doing a week long ritual to figure scum out or?

[MiniDeathStar]

He's probably at work, you know how he works 18 hours a day sometimes? So tragic!

Uhm... I'm back to not liking Human as a person.

[MiniDeathStar]

and just wanted to solve the game.

Is he waiting for an epiphany or doing a week long ritual to figure scum out or?

No, he was pissed just like me when nobody listened to him about Shadow. Also most of his reads were in the private PT, and I've already outed most of them.

[Parama]

HS and Parama both want sad/scout gone
Remember that in the reality that we both flip town
Also please lynch us

quoted for emphasis

[MiniDeathStar]

No you didn't. Considering you read 4 pages at a time it's pretty bold to be claiming you've read around ~200 posts just from me

Not to be offensive but your posts are all one liners and I read like ~50 of them. Whatever was on the 3rd page. Also the reason I'm so slow in catching up is because I respond in detail to many posts.

[MiniDeathStar]

Remember how early on I said people shouldn't leave the dance?
I'm over that. You should leave the dance

If HS actually takes this advice (she shouldn't) and HS-Parama flips town-town (let's hope not), I'm just gonna stick my vote on Dunn and never move it.

What's your stance on HS-Parama?

HS is very town. Parama is an enigma. If she's town, then Jester is probably also town, and I seriously seriously doubt Arthur is town. If she's scum, she's likely scum with Jester. And I'm not totally ruling out Arthur in that case because the more I think about this, the more bussing and double-bussing as a strategy makes sense to me.

[Parama]

hang on a second.

does Dunn/Jester/SAD make sense? I think Kagami suggested this earlier but ugh I need to look at it again because if mhsmith is town and HS/Parama is town then the HS/Parama lynch is a game throw.

no it doesnt. Sad and Jester aren't scum together. No way.

i take this back btw but only in the scenario where kagami isn't scum, if sad & kagami are both scum this stands

[MiniDeathStar]

objectively false. I also had suspicion that I was talking to you about.

Which you only mentioned when I elaborated on mine.

[Parama]

i kind of feel like scum thought they had a free ride to endgame by pushing me & jester and now it's being met with resistance by the town and everything's falling apart.

tis what I thought too, which is why I initially tried to force Jester-pair into endgame if you were town/town, but keep reading and you'll see where me and Kagami addressed this (and also the part where it's hopefully obvious if there's a scum in their pair it's Dunn, not her).

i saw your conversation on like 178ish or so and while i guess kagami comes off looking a bit better after that i did not get how it was relevant to this point

but i'm pretty tired so i might've just missed it

[Parama]

not particularly inclined to self-hammer since i'd rather get scum today instead of having to go 3 for 3 in lylo but it's gonna be hard for me to keep up with this very well on vacation, so

[MiniDeathStar]

like he continues to scum read me/my pair for nebulous reasons, and when I point out why his reasoning doesn't hold water, he largely just makes excuses, ignores me, or says "I disagree" and leaves it at that without explaining any further.

what about this do you read as town?

Nothing. If I'm totally honest, all my townread on Dunn comes from earlier in the game. If the whole game was Second Dance, I'd be scumreading him.

[pieguyn]

i saw your conversation on like 178ish or so and while i guess kagami comes off looking a bit better after that i did not get how it was relevant to this point

but i'm pretty tired so i might've just missed it

your pair and Jester pair being the town/town pairs doesn't work because it would make Dunn scum, which implies my pair is town/town and there can't be 3 town/town pairs.

I'm pretty sure me and Kagami are thinking the same way in that clearing her pair out today might be more optimal than clearing your pair, but I'm not 100% if she's in agreement or not so I'm actually waiting for her to tell me what she wants to do before proceeding.

[Parama]

let's see:
dunn: nullish-scum
sad: scum
jester: nullish-town
hs: locktown
smith: i have failed to get a solid read on this slot all game and i ain't starting now but he's probably scum by poe
pie: locktown
mds: probtown
scout: townlean and probtown by pairing w/ sad
kagami: scumlean

wish i had a better grasp on this game as a whole but the shadow townflip really killed any momentum i had left and the sad scumread is basically the only thing i'm 100% sure on at this point

[Parama]

i saw your conversation on like 178ish or so and while i guess kagami comes off looking a bit better after that i did not get how it was relevant to this point

but i'm pretty tired so i might've just missed it

your pair and Jester pair being the town/town pairs doesn't work because it would make Dunn scum, which implies my pair is town/town and there can't be 3 town/town pairs.

I'm pretty sure me and Kagami are thinking the same way in that clearing her pair out today might be more optimal than clearing your pair, but I'm not 100% if she's in agreement or not so I'm actually waiting for her to tell me what she wants to do before proceeding.

hmm. walk me through why your pair is town/town if dunn is scum?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I'm pretty sure me and Kagami are thinking the same way in that clearing her pair out today might be more optimal than clearing your pair, but I'm not 100% if she's in agreement or not so I'm actually waiting for her to tell me what she wants to do before proceeding.

Oh no

no no no no no

I am not risking entering lylo with Parama there is no way that is happening she will fucking use you people to lynch me.

[pieguyn]

Dunn has been completely railing my pair in a disingenuous way for pretty much the entire game, and whenever I try to explain to him why his read on me doesn't hold water, he largely just gives excuses or attempts to stonewall me. that is my reason and Kagami is in agreement but I do not think she has talked about her reason beyond "Dunn was dead set on lynching your pair D1"

[MiniDeathStar]

not particularly inclined to self-hammer since i'd rather get scum today instead of having to go 3 for 3 in lylo but it's gonna be hard for me to keep up with this very well on vacation, so

Someone will have to compromise. I don't think there's a huge interest in Arthur lynch right now. I can get behind it btw, *maybe* Human, but idk if anybody else would.

Smith can muster 3 votes, too (inspector, Arthur, Dunn), 4 with yours. I don't think I want to vote him right now.

I'm always an option, too, you just have to think really really hard what town-Jester would imply about the game. But I'm not sure I can gather enough votes either atm.

Kagami lynch, no way. Dunn has way too many fangirls for that.

I'm not sure what other option is there. I'll be honest, I'm not super eager to vote you just yet. I need to finish reading the game and carefully consider the possible scum pairings.

[pieguyn]

I'm pretty sure me and Kagami are thinking the same way in that clearing her pair out today might be more optimal than clearing your pair, but I'm not 100% if she's in agreement or not so I'm actually waiting for her to tell me what she wants to do before proceeding.

Oh no

no no no no no

I am not risking entering lylo with Parama there is no way that is happening she will fucking use you people to lynch me.

if she/Dunn were to leave, we would force you two into endgame regardless of whatever lynch seems likely based on majority.

[MiniDeathStar]

i saw your conversation on like 178ish or so and while i guess kagami comes off looking a bit better after that i did not get how it was relevant to this point

but i'm pretty tired so i might've just missed it

your pair and Jester pair being the town/town pairs doesn't work because it would make Dunn scum, which implies my pair is town/town and there can't be 3 town/town pairs.

I'm pretty sure me and Kagami are thinking the same way in that clearing her pair out today might be more optimal than clearing your pair, but I'm not 100% if she's in agreement or not so I'm actually waiting for her to tell me what she wants to do before proceeding.

You can't totally 100% exclude the possibility of bussing, especially at this stage where towncredit is *so* valuable.

[Parama]

i vaguely remember dunn making some kind of stupid push on you in the pages i read but i don't remember what it was. can you point me at an example

so dunn-scum basically throws everything out of wack real quick, then.
but in the scenario where both my pair and jester's pair are t/t why does dunn have to be scum?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

dunn: nullish-scum
sad: scum
kagami: scumlean

LOL these reads are fucking pathetic.

So basically the people pushing you are scum?

And you're trying to buddy up to the people who aren't pushing you in hopes you dodge the lynch today?

Good to know.

[pieguyn]

for the record, if you think me and Kagami are paying any attention to the "no one suicides" pact when discussing what the optimal strategy here is, you're wrong.

at that point all that matters is getting whichever pair into endgame, so it's 100% OK if whoever is town in the remaining pairs suicides (and in some cases it will probably be the only way to ensure the correct pair into endgame). obviously if someone unexpected flips scum, no longer applies because the plan would no longer apply, but if we're proceeding as part of a plan there is no reason to bother using the majority lynch to make people dead instead of suicide.

[Parama]

dunn: nullish-scum
sad: scum
kagami: scumlean

LOL these reads are fucking pathetic.

So basically the people pushing you are scum?

And you're trying to buddy up to the people who aren't pushing you in hopes you dodge the lynch today?

Good to know.

you realize these reads existed before any of you were pushing me right

[pieguyn]

i vaguely remember dunn making some kind of stupid push on you in the pages i read but i don't remember what it was. can you point me at an example

so dunn-scum basically throws everything out of wack real quick, then.
but in the scenario where both my pair and jester's pair are t/t why does dunn have to be scum?

it's spread throughout multiple posts, but as an example, 4158/4167 and subsequent posts, 4318 and subsequent posts.

if you still don't get it, ask me again because I probably missed something.

your pair and Jester pair being town/town makes Dunn scum because if he's town Kagami/Dunn is a third town/town pair, which is impossible. I'm aware you're not sure on Kagami, but I fully believe she is serious about forming the plan she is forming with me and her willingness to suicide (since at this point after everything we've said, there really isn't any way she can invent a reason to have her pair alive at endgame).

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I'm pretty sure me and Kagami are thinking the same way in that clearing her pair out today might be more optimal than clearing your pair, but I'm not 100% if she's in agreement or not so I'm actually waiting for her to tell me what she wants to do before proceeding.

Oh no

no no no no no

I am not risking entering lylo with Parama there is no way that is happening she will fucking use you people to lynch me.

if she/Dunn were to leave, we would force you two into endgame regardless of whatever lynch seems likely based on majority.

How is that not lylo. It's the same thing.

My pair with fucking Parama's pair is at end-game is still lylo, and there is a reasonable chance she convinces HS to lynch me, and then it basically comes down to inspector. I don't want to be in a universe where I get mislynched at lylo and lose the game for everyone because that's literally miserable.