Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Akane and Nebby]

VOTE: impeach

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I'm a peach

[Fro99er]

Holy shit I'm a senator.

VOTE: impeach

Everyone sheep this or it's a scumclaim

[Nahdia]

Please don't use shades so close to my color! Hope you like "Chemo Puke Green", Caesars!

[Caesar Wills It]

Noble Jupiter, before whom even Emperors must yield, has spoken. Henceforth, the royal house shall be adorned in shades of deep blue.

[Fro99er]

I TOLD YOU BANNED

[Sondam]

The way the votes are split like that between the three makes me wanna believe at least one of those are maf but, I'm more sure on The DEO or Creature being mafia

[Sondam]

~G

[Nahdia]

Lynch Vote 1.17

Yuri (5):

Lil Uzi Vert, The DEO, Akane and Nebby, Vecna, Fro99er

Akane and Nebby (5):

Yuri, Maxous, beeboy, Nero Cain, Albert B. Rampage

beeboy (4):

ssbm_Kyouko, PeregrineV, Spiffeh, Creature

NoticeMeSenpai (1):

Elbirn

The DEO (1):

Sondam

Fro99er (1):

Leonshade

Sondam (1):

Drixx

Not Voting (3):

Caesar Wills It, ooba, NoticeMeSenpa

With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to to lynch.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-02-21 10:05:30), at which point we will default to no lynch.

[The DEO]

The way the votes are split like that between the three makes me wanna believe at least one of those are maf but, I'm more sure on The DEO or Creature being mafia

It's too early for VCA proper, but this is a decent conclusion (minus DEO and Creature being scum). It's null because Sondam isn't actually voting a wagon, which makes me a little side eye.

Let's look at wagon composition.

Yuri: Obvious town (although Math disagrees, as they thinks nearly the entirely off the wagon) that townreads each other (for the most part)
Akane and Nebby: Wagon candidate, previous wagon candidate, wagon candidate, guy with messed up reads at best, lurk shade thrower
Beeboy: New arrival, null town PV, Town, Town

Let's look at history.

Yuri happened.
Beeboy happened.
Akane and Nebby happened.


Now, let's look at the A and N wagon, with each vote... as it happens.

Yuri vote is a vote because Maxous wanted it.
Maxous jumps on A and N with no reason, while trying to drege up an old concern Spiffeh had. Motivation to shade and disrupt.
Beeboy makes a comment (false) that A and N is ok with killing everyone.
Nero Cain casts a naked vote.
ABR casts a vote, but has done zero follow through and investigation.

[end rational logic]

[activate moonlogic powers]

Now, looking at the sheer collective of scummy votes, I can see them pulling a collective decision to have all or almost the scum be on the same wagon. Is that accurate? Maybe, but it is shaping up that way. Nero and ABR both snide my VCA, when town. The motivation to wreck that shit deliberately and save a buddy would be present if all scum. Does that mean all of them are? Not necessarily, but it's something my moon logic, sleep deprived mind wants to document before sleeping.

[Vecna]

To be fair, this is very much a towntell for Titus I think (at least something I know for sure she does as town)

Not acknowledging the arguments of others is a town tell for her?

Why couldn't she do this as scum?

Why is this still a question? I was typing addressing your concerns as you typed that.

Titus I get it, this isn't about you. I'm wondering why Vecna considers this a town tell of yours rather than something that you could do as either alignment.

All I did was bring up the point that it doesnt have to be a scumtell, which is what youre interpreting it as. Guess ill need to phrase things more so they cannot be misinterpreted, allthough I thought it was pretty obvious what I was saying.

[Vecna]

tbh I'd be more interested in a flashwagon on people like ooba, Pine hydra, ABR right now.
Like I feel like scum is specifically avoid discussing them to save them for mislynches for later.
Also I'm waiting to say my piece on beeboy. Now is not the time nor the place.

-Nebby

Now, this is actually want I wanted to talk about. Nebby wants to flashwagon the people he thinks scum is saving for mislynches.

Rule 1 of playing scum: If someone is lurking, let them lurk and eat a mislynch later.
Creature said he was down for those too. Does that make him scum?
-Nebby

Thats rather a black and white way of looking at it

[Vecna]

So I'm scum for wanting to pressure lurkers.
Or do you think I slipped that they're town.
Because if so, here, have a bloc of text explaining why you're scum:
BaeReed was once told something by someone he respected along the lines of

I will ALWAYS make the point that pushing on fake slips is a scumtell, in every single game I ever play. Because it's been a very reliable tell for me. I'll let you in on a couple of my other tricks as well; being "excited" about the game when the general mood is depressed or uninterested to the point of wanting to abandon is a scumtell. Claiming an investigative PR and making a lot of content about who you're going to check the following night (especially framing it as an fos ie "For that I'm going to check YOU tonight") is a scumtell. Jumping on people for too quickly commenting on a nightkill is a scumtell. These are all things I will pretty much always points out when they happen, regardless of my alignment.

Scum love having a "justified" vote. Instinctively, they look for a vote where they can lean back on a "factual" basis. A "slip" is a perfect example. When you push on a slip, you're no longer making your own read, you're just saying A therefore B. There is no read, you're presenting it as a fact. And when the person you push flips town, you don't have to defend your "read" being wrong, you can just use that justification you built as a scape-goat. It's what scum subconsciously do ALL THE TIME. Yes, sometimes town will mistakenly think they've found a scumslip. Players like Mathblade are notorious for that kind of play. But as a general rule it's a scum tactic.

-Nebby

Interesting food for thought, but why alert scum on day1 that these are the things you'll be looking for?

[Vecna]

....Bruh this is hilarious you were literally pushing a Jaereedhydra lynch on the basis that they slipped

People need to stop pretending this was just a normal scumslip. It was either just them not reading properly as town (since scum would always pick up on that) OR it was a forced townslip meant to fool us.

[Vecna]

....Bruh this is hilarious you were literally pushing a Jaereedhydra lynch on the basis that they slipped

Also the fact that you instantly think of this example in such a big game tells us something.

You really pay a lot of attention to what is happening in regards to Jeareed and A&E.

If you flip scum, ill take this as another suspicion point for the Jeareed Hydra.

[Vecna]

....Bruh this is hilarious you were literally pushing a Jaereedhydra lynch on the basis that they slipped

To expand, this post came literally within a minute of the one before.

A&E says something about jumping on slips is scum indicative and you have the INSTANT connection ready where you make a counter-point that he did it to Jeareed.

I think that is because there was some emotional response to him pushing Jeareed earlier. You dont think of this example that spot-on unless it has been a topic of thought in your mind earlier.

If you flip scum, that hydra is gonna be death-tunnel territory.

[Vecna]

Okay Drixx, you get Pyramids and you'll get Stonehenge'd.

I'm hoping to get IC more quickly than whenever scum randomly kill whomever builds stonehenge. Like ... I can OTAF pretty well, but ideally we get an actual hard investigate and I become an IC who can't be silenced. Glad you realize what I'm doing, and you should realize why I am taking it from our games played together. Both reasons.

If you're scum, you could also nightkill yourself and try to manipulate us.

That's amusing as hell. I'm absurdly confident of my ability to be obviously town when I want to, and I'm pretty ruthless and confident as scum, but I don't think even I have balls that big.

@Titus - Get on the same page with Math. Vecna literally tried to reach out and adjust what people believe about another player's reasoning. That's like ... really anti-town. If I wasn't happy with where I decided to vote, I would vote him.

If you are absolutely certain Vecna is town, please explain why.

Where did I do that? This is getting to be a common theme among people, and here I was thinking I was taking it extremely easy on the personal attacks and shading this game.

Anyways I got a feeling we'll get along swimmingly in just a matter of days. Either that or our ego's will collapse into something resembling a black hole where no happyness can escape.

The last option seems like a bad idea with this playerlist though

It's in my catch up wall. Nice to know that you just didn't bother to even read the part quoting and responding to you. You ask why someone town reads me, then answer your own question with a statement that you put a question mark on. It's called "controlling the narrative". Churchill was incredible at it when debating political enemies.

So what youre saying is because I question people their townread on you, while at that point you indeed had under 15 posts, of which all were mechanics related or involving a big powerrant against me, that I "literally tried to reach out and adjust what people believe about another player's reasoning"?

Throwing in some Churchill nonsense as well to go along it to drive the point home, nice.

And I did read your wall, and its good to see that at least you take some measure of pride in it, because seeing how much time and material it covered, I was thoroughly unimpressed - Id even go as far as to state it felt rather anti-climatic after all this business of tooting your own horn.

[Vecna]

I dont particularly like your reasoning of taking offense to LUV's reason for voting as a valid reason to dislike the entire wagon and Froggers case.

ESPECIALLY if you basically state that you dont disagree with his reasoning.

From where im standing, and based on you last post, your vote should be right there alongside us.

Wait so because I agree with someone else's reasoning I should drop my own SR and sheep his? No

Kyouko's take on the whole thing makes me realize that I probably went too far and should come clean. I don't know you Yuri. I just acted like that because I didn't like that you reentered the thread earlier without addressing your top scum read at the time which was me.

I didn't see your reason for voting Yuri, was drawn into the talk about who his main is.

@ssbm_Kyouko who are your scum reads at this moment?

Beeboy and LUV, maybe the oopna guy with the pacing cat for an avatar but that's just because I need to hear more from him. LUV I respect that he came clean about not knowing yuri but earlier before he said anything I was thinking he has no reason to lie about knowing Yuri if town and that's why I was okay with his meta voting but now it seems like he was actually more concerned with Yuri not addressing him right away because LUV was Yuri's top SR at the time. I don't think that's a valid concern less than 48 hours into a 21 player game though

How about you convince me then why you think the reasoning for your own SR is better than frogger's reason for scumreading Yuri?

[Vecna]

"I just want people to stop lurking"... said every scum ever.

VOTE: Akane and Nebby

Do you really think Scum A&N would have to resort to this type of tactics? His level of play seems way beyond that, imo, and he has plenty of material to talk about.

Suspicion of ABR increases by +1

[Vecna]

Senator Fro99er is to be flogged and censured for his breach of decorum, and for violating Our Will regarding the recent barbarian incursion, as well as his apparent inability to distinguish between a lavender shade and the royal purple of Our Decrees.

Entertainment has arrived!

[Vecna]

The way the votes are split like that between the three makes me wanna believe at least one of those are maf but, I'm more sure on The DEO or Creature being mafia

Leaving any reads out of this statement; but forcing a tripple town split wagon is a perfect scum tactic as well to secure 3 consecutive mislynches.

[Vecna]

Multiple scum factions might indeed be a thing here though. Barbarian camps never spawn alone, and barbarians do seem like the logical enemy of civilization.

[Vecna]

Either that or it has to be the montezuma faction

[Vecna]

Ceasar, can you like decree that people talk more during my daytime hours?

[Vecna]

Ceasar, we the people demand bread and games.

Provide us entertainment or its riot-time.