In post 2242, The DEO wrote:Read ABR's ISO and tell me that's not something you want to lynch tomorrow Frogger.
His ISO basically reads like The DEO/Drixx opposition disorder.
I always want to lynch ABR
I agree though, and that read of A+N is shallow af
Sigh
I even did the different skin thing
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
In post 2253, beeboy wrote:Unless they come and in and do something I'd take kyouko over Yuri right now cause I am not overly compelled by the Yuri case.
What's wrong with the Yuri case?
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
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"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
In post 2253, beeboy wrote:Unless they come and in and do something I'd take kyouko over Yuri right now cause I am not overly compelled by the Yuri case.
What's wrong with the Yuri case?
I am just not really sold by it and would rather lynch A&N and Kyoko
ah yes, beeboy style reads;
if this person flips town, then i'll townread them. - Nahdia
In post 2253, beeboy wrote:Unless they come and in and do something I'd take kyouko over Yuri right now cause I am not overly compelled by the Yuri case.
What's wrong with the Yuri case?
I am just not really sold by it and would rather lynch A&N and Kyoko
What does not sell you? Details.
Why do you wanna lynch obvtown?
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well I'd promised someone I'd do something before I went to bed so I can't explain anything right now.
But for tomorrow morning which one do you want an explanation on A&N or Kyoko?
ah yes, beeboy style reads;
if this person flips town, then i'll townread them. - Nahdia
In post 2261, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Need to finish catching up, I started playing civilization 5 (never played before) and stayed up all night playing so I fell behind on stuff
You see this: http://steamcommunity.com/id/12vlow
This is a steam profile.
If I don't get friend requests within the next 24 hours you're blacklisted.
In post 2261, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Need to finish catching up, I started playing civilization 5 (never played before) and stayed up all night playing so I fell behind on stuff
You see this: http://steamcommunity.com/id/12vlow
This is a steam profile.
If I don't get friend requests within the next 24 hours you're blacklisted.
-Nebby
I'm friending you anyway, but this type of proof outside the game is strictly illegal on two counts.
1) Threating to carry over into future games is illegal.
2) Proof outside of the game is illegal. Much like the dice tags cannot be used.
If our post is unsigned, 90+ percent it's Titus. I'm a dork that forgets to sign.
Hey guys, I promised a Math wall. It will be the next post. I worked with Math for awhile to get their theory of the gamestate into a manner that I feel at least has them addressing the thread concerns while mostly focusing on their points and clarity. This is not how they naturally go about things, but this is how I think they could be understood. Rather than just debating Math or just outright dismissing them, please at least give them feedback on if you feel they need more evidence, a change in approach, or just works or doesn't work in this (even if it's in the past game).
I will be making one of my own but we ran out of time before I had to sleep and I want Math to be able to discuss mine too.
~Titus
If our post is unsigned, 90+ percent it's Titus. I'm a dork that forgets to sign.
Beginning D1 (First 11 pages)
Three prongs of importance
1) Scum made none instantly the most popular by dogpiling on. Note: I do not feel this was an organic plan but more of a "let's deny Town information". Especially with Vecna who works better with less pieces in play.
2) Scum all defend each other and garcia in the first 11 pages.
3) They attack anyone who isn't in that 5 to see who gets traction in those first pages.
MidD1 (up til 800)
With the townread of the majority of the game in place and LUV being a wagon by A&N and Sondham things are going pretty damn good. Yuri's being voted by Titus and LUV is the only one with a vote on Leonshade on very weak sauce of naked. This is an excellent start. In the span of 30 posts Spiffeh gets voted by Maxous and Nero is something Spiffeh is trying to start using the boost of townreads. Frogger then floats a potential Maxous wagon and Titus at this point is eating up everything except Yuri. I can already see signs of it here. So I prepare for the uphill fight and try to scum hunt and confirm what I think. Beeboy votes the scums. Look who is a counter wagon at end game. Vecna takes the 3rd slot on the Maxous wagon. It's not his buddies who have done literal jack shit to hunt. LUV's vote has been sitting for a while and it protects his buddy.
EndD1
As soon as I post my theory in post 800. Spiffeh panick votes Maxous. They need to get a wagon mislynch asap with the flimsy excuse Nero's posts are better. Spiffeh's got a Creature town read down so he can sheep. Frogger then moves to the Yuri vote as its safe as too many scum on Maxous is bad and scums want a wagon to be town not scum. Maxous didn't happen because Maxous is town and the wagon is town driven. Town realized their depr. Titus goes on her MariaR is scum paranoia because of the game Maria snowed her in. But Titus still scumreads Yuri. Pretty much because all the scum are being wagoned they're split all up on each other rather evenly minus LUV who is pushing NoticeMeSenpai/JaeReed with a naked vote. If scums start more wagons it becomes suspicious so they are all bussing each other. 1188 follows rule of three. LUV says Leon Yuri Notice. Leon is never happening and LUV noticed it before. Notice is falling apart. LUV is pinned. Outs Yuri as an alt but never actually posts a reason for scumreading Yuri praying it doesn't take off. 1253/1254 solidify it. He said Notice is confirmed but votes Yuri. That's dissonance town just doesn't do there. There's no reason to compromise. LUV still hasn't provided a reason other than knowing this isn't Yuri's town game. He's been pinned by prior posts and to have a consistent narrative he has to vote Yuri early. If he does it late he's fucked.
Spiffeh plays role of vote anyone not scum. First with Maxous now Beeboy.
Frogger now departs his buddies wagon and votes beeboy because it has steam. This is a clear attempt to save Yuri.
Vecna then hops on as well.
What's really interesting is then Vecna and Frogger move to Yuri together in the span of ~50 posts.
During those approximate posts Vecna hiveminds LUV with the same Notice/Yuri/someone else threesome. Why do scum always do threesomes? It's annoying. It's also RIGHT AFTER I call them out for not bussing Yuri. Vecna defends Frogger in it as well. Then LUV says to "Fuck it" and lynch Yuri. Then scums start hopping on. It's because I pointed it out. If scums didn't hop on it'd be caught in a review of the game.
Town then votes A&N for the derp wagon and it starts to dissolve. Vecna satisfied with the stallout tries to revive NoticeMeSenpai. When that goes no where it goes back to Yuri. Spiffeh then hops on because the Yuri wagon is what is happening today. If they bail it looks suspicious. Scums have to vote Yuri.
I can understand that sometimes I'm not listened to because it seems like I'm OMGUSing. However it's hard when someone throws shade before you even post anything other than I'd like sciences. That's one opinion and they were doubtcasting anyone's ability to solve the game. I can see where it seems like that but at the same time it's really not. LUV could have a drinking game with how much he has shaded Titus's ability to solve the game before Titus caved and voted the end of none.
Look at the final vote:
None (11): Lil Uzi Vert, Vecna, Sondam, Spiffeh, Albert B. Rampage, Elbirn, Leonshade, Akane and Nebby, Maxous, beeboy, The DEO
I'm not scumreading all 11 people there. I hard townread Sondham, ABR, Elbrin, Leonshade, A&N, Maxous, beeboy and I know our slot is town.
What is interesting is Frogger's switch to sciences which I call out in my PT. I even called Maria scumsiding for doing it and I had a hard town Maria read based on the first few posts. It's not the strategy it's how they posted about it and how they all interact with each other.
I also have an extremely hard time seeing how it's not Vecna/LUV/Frogger/Spiffeh/Yuri. But if I'm wrong on someone it's probably Yuri. If any of these flip town I will reassess then, yet I just don't see it. I've listened to Titus for hours but just nothing happening.
~~Math
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I would love to give math some constructive feedback. But this is all confbiased as hell.
Only a flip will save math. And it not even be a Yuri one because they think Vecna, Spiff, and I are all bussing Yuri
"I officially announce Fro99er the king of guilties because this is the second time he has guiltied a slot I was really unsure about.
Heil King Froggo.
Ribbit ribbit." -Transcend
In post 2214, Vecna wrote:I do hope your overarching gameplan doesnt involve early massclaims again though. That is something I will, once again most likely, have a strong urge to combat.
I didn't say plan, I said gamestate.
I have a zero percent urge to massclaim when the setup dictates we're all VTs at the moment.
P.S. We so would have won with massclaim in PyP though so :-p. I had that one little read wrong.
True, but only because I didnt get my way with scum picking full-on vigs/fruit vendors. If you had faced a team like that I think a massclaim wouldve resulted in swift annihilation.
In post 2137, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:But it all stems from that meta read to be honest. Max and Kyouko push were pretty bad.
And I'm asking you why are you so concerned. You don't seem to be sweating everyone else as hard who has shown doubt about you.
The fact that my read "stems" from meta doesn't really matter. Why is that "bad"? What about my pushes on Max and Kyouko were bad? I want specifics.
I am giving you a hard time because your post about flipping me to clear Yuri was absolute shit and I'm trying to figure out if it's scum capitalizing on the general anti-Spiffy attitude or a genuine read.
General anti-spiffeh attitude?
Is that even a thing? In my view nearly everyone is townreading you, and a lot of people helped you push on beeboy which resulted in more activity from that slot.
As much as I want to be stubborn and contrarian I'm town reading everyone on the wagon to at least some degree and Yuri does have some real problems.
I still think people should stop giving people the benefit of the doubt (namely beeboy)
It's really weird to me that so many people spoke out against my beeboy push either by saying I was pushing a counter wagon to scum or saying my meta reasons don't hold. Beeboy still has a lot wrong with his play and even if you just disagree with my reasons, nothing he has done so far looks town.
In post 2270, Fro99er wrote:I would love to give math some constructive feedback. But this is all confbiased as hell.
Only a flip will save math. And it not even be a Yuri one because they think Vecna, Spiff, and I are all bussing Yuri
How is it confbiased as hell? I have demonstrated what I think you are doing. The lack of hunting. 239 has random reads and doesn't address Loudmouth Vecna. Explain your none science none waffles and now that isn't trying to make sure not all scum are on none.
~~Math
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