Timeshift Mafia III [Game Over]

[Ramcius]

my jk on you takes effect N3, my night actions are delayed, at least i assume so, since there nothing in my pm about my night actions not being delayed, that means my block on Fitz took effect N2, so posible i blocked N1 delayed NK from mafia team, you are safe for tonight and rb on you have no effect, you couldn't use your ability anyway, if you say true about being non consec.

With redirector in play i had no reason block you

, especially night you can't use your ability. Bus driver i don't believe, why swap Fitz and Zekro? Anyway, at this point you as good as VT till redirector alive

You had no idea a Redirector or bus driver was in play N2.

^^^

How could you support a N2 decision with speculation not brought up until D3??

reading is hard, isn't it? i said, if i was mafia roleblocker, why use my ability on Comm N2? Or you think i lie that and i haven't used my ability on him N2?

[Tywin Lannister]

Well uhm either way the only way for Almost to be scum is for Comm to be scum too and that's unlikely so

Not even going to argue. I can see just about every scenario at this point.

I mean... Even I agree with Vifam here. Almost can't be scum due to the investigation of Comm, and the jailkeep from Ram explains no shot, at least for one night. Otherwise, the people whom the bus driver switched didn't include Almost, and so Almost is lying and the real vig is letting him. Regardless, I think the only real scenerio that he's scum is if Comm was also scum. There's too many seperate things involved that substantiate it. I'm positive Almost would lie about it if it benefited him, but I don't think Comm would too. I do think Almost is lying about modifiers and things, but that doesn't really matter anyways. It only affects scum.

Do you understand that if we lynch CommKnight, we can catch or confirm one or more scum?

The only scenerio I can come up with for Almost lying here is for him to bait the real vig to claim. Since James claimed scum almost immediately after, it stops any other possible lynch from happening, and so scum would have the vig outted while Almost stays alive for another day to do.. whatever. It's a bad trade off for scum IMO, because a counter outs two scum in a row for the benefit of outting 1 PR. I just don't see Almost making that choice as scum, because the potential benefit is outweighed by the cost. A 1 for 1 isn't very good unless it's an extremely important role, which a cop could be (so James' claim makes sense to out comm, and he got the watcher too), but a vigi isn't in the same category unless it's Lylo or close to it and scum can afford the trade.

Idk, I get what you're saying about not confirming him, but he's not the best lynch today. James claimed scum, so unless he's trolling, we gotta take the sure thing.

[havingfitz]

my jk on you takes effect N3, my night actions are delayed, at least i assume so, since there nothing in my pm about my night actions not being delayed, that means my block on Fitz took effect N2, so posible i blocked N1 delayed NK from mafia team, you are safe for tonight and rb on you have no effect, you couldn't use your ability anyway, if you say true about being non consec.

With redirector in play i had no reason block you

, especially night you can't use your ability. Bus driver i don't believe, why swap Fitz and Zekro? Anyway, at this point you as good as VT till redirector alive

You had no idea a Redirector or bus driver was in play N2.

^^^

How could you support a N2 decision with speculation not brought up until D3??

reading is hard, isn't it?

Apparently it is for you. Read the boldest line above and try answering again

[Tywin Lannister]

Ram: why did you use your ability on Comm N2? I accept that you did, but why? He's a claimed role cop. What benefit did you see from doing that? Did you think he was scum and was lying?

[Ramcius]

my jk on you takes effect N3, my night actions are delayed, at least i assume so, since there nothing in my pm about my night actions not being delayed, that means my block on Fitz took effect N2, so posible i blocked N1 delayed NK from mafia team, you are safe for tonight and rb on you have no effect, you couldn't use your ability anyway, if you say true about being non consec.

With redirector in play i had no reason block you

, especially night you can't use your ability. Bus driver i don't believe, why swap Fitz and Zekro? Anyway, at this point you as good as VT till redirector alive

You had no idea a Redirector or bus driver was in play N2.

^^^

How could you support a N2 decision with speculation not brought up until D3??

reading is hard, isn't it?

Apparently it is for you. Read the boldest line above and try answering again

And i ask you again, why would i claim to jk Comm N2 as scum? What i win from it? In future i will try write more clear, cause you missing common logic

[Ramcius]

Ram: why did you use your ability on Comm N2? I accept that you did, but why? He's a claimed role cop. What benefit did you see from doing that? Did you think he was scum and was lying?

nah, jk is bp, so Comm looked best target since he couldn't use his ability and i have no idea if we have any protective roles

[PeregrineV]

Well uhm either way the only way for Almost to be scum is for Comm to be scum too and that's unlikely so

Not even going to argue. I can see just about every scenario at this point.

I mean... Even I agree with Vifam here. Almost can't be scum due to the investigation of Comm, and the jailkeep from Ram explains no shot, at least for one night. Otherwise, the people whom the bus driver switched didn't include Almost, and so Almost is lying and the real vig is letting him. Regardless, I think the only real scenerio that he's scum is if Comm was also scum. There's too many seperate things involved that substantiate it. I'm positive Almost would lie about it if it benefited him, but I don't think Comm would too. I do think Almost is lying about modifiers and things, but that doesn't really matter anyways. It only affects scum.

Do you understand that if we lynch CommKnight, we can catch or confirm one or more scum?

The only scenerio I can come up with for Almost lying here is for him to bait the real vig to claim. Since James claimed scum almost immediately after, it stops any other possible lynch from happening, and so scum would have the vig outted while Almost stays alive for another day to do.. whatever. It's a bad trade off for scum IMO, because a counter outs two scum in a row for the benefit of outting 1 PR. I just don't see Almost making that choice as scum, because the potential benefit is outweighed by the cost. A 1 for 1 isn't very good unless it's an extremely important role, which a cop could be (so James' claim makes sense to out comm, and he got the watcher too), but a vigi isn't in the same category unless it's Lylo or close to it and scum can afford the trade.

Idk, I get what you're saying about not confirming him, but he's not the best lynch today. James claimed scum, so unless he's trolling, we gotta take the sure thing.

Links to the last game you played where scum claimed scum before being lynched?
Links to any number of games where town claimed scum before being lynched?

Not interested in lynching Almost today, but sure ain't clearing him.

[Tywin Lannister]

PeregrinV: I'm still not following why you don't think James is the best lynch. He claimed scum. Do you think he's just trolling, or do you want to gamble on someone else even though there's a sure thing right in front of you? Why gamble today? What benefit is there to lynch Comm over James? You said James is only the 2nd best lynch today, so why is Comm the first? I'm not following your logic. What does lynching comm gain over lynching sure scum?

Tbh, the only reason I can think of to not lynch James today is that his scum claim and self vote strike me as protecting someone else from getting the noose. Idk what other reason anyone would literally claim scum when they aren't even L1 and nowhere near deadline. Granted, he was the most likely lynch at that point, but there could've been swings onto other players hypothetically. James claiming at that point makes me think a counter wagon was also scum.

[havingfitz]

my jk on you takes effect N3, my night actions are delayed, at least i assume so, since there nothing in my pm about my night actions not being delayed, that means my block on Fitz took effect N2, so posible i blocked N1 delayed NK from mafia team, you are safe for tonight and rb on you have no effect, you couldn't use your ability anyway, if you say true about being non consec.

With redirector in play i had no reason block you

, especially night you can't use your ability. Bus driver i don't believe, why swap Fitz and Zekro? Anyway, at this point you as good as VT till redirector alive

You had no idea a Redirector or bus driver was in play N2.

^^^

How could you support a N2 decision with speculation not brought up until D3??

reading is hard, isn't it?

Apparently it is for you. Read the boldest line above and try answering again

And i ask you again, why would i claim to jk Comm N2 as scum? What i win from it? In future i will try write more clear, cause you missing common logic

You don't have to be a prick. I've asked you a question 3 times now and you have ignored it once and deflected it twice.

Can you answer the question ffs?

[Tywin Lannister]

I've been in games I was so frustrated that I almost claimed scum just to end the day, but I never did it, and I always somehow managed to not get lynched. The only time I did get lynched was when I was V/LA and not there to defend myself from a raging Titus who wanted to OMGUS wagon anyone that ever voted or disagreed with her. Nero was scum in that game, so he knows what I'm talking about. I was frustrated, because logic dictated that a specific player (whom I called scum all game long) was 100% confirmed scum, but Titus wanted to lose the game over actually playing Mafia the right way. It was so frustrating to argue with her and have her dismiss every fact and logical thought with absolutely insane theories that never made any sense, and scum coasted the entire game due to her. She couldn't even be policy lynched due to being confirmed by another player, and she lasted until Lylo only because she was so wrong on absolutely every read.

That game was an aberration though, and being so frustrated and pissed off by terrible decisions by town was clearly shown through my posts. I doubt anyone could mistake them for being faked, although Titus did try to claim I faked frustration at every turn, because that was the only conf bias she could logically use to dismiss everything I was saying.

Now compared to that, how frustrated does James seem? He doesn't seem frustrated whatsoever to me. There's no emotion in his posts that make me believe 'pissed off/railroaded townie.' RC looked that way for sure when he was still here, so compare those posts to James. So why would a non-frustrated townie ever claim scum at that point? He wasn't L1, it wasn't deadline, and other lynches were still possible. I can't see any reason to believe he's town here. He'd have to be trolling pretty hard, and it wouldn't be out of frustration.

[Ramcius]

my jk on you takes effect N3, my night actions are delayed, at least i assume so, since there nothing in my pm about my night actions not being delayed, that means my block on Fitz took effect N2, so posible i blocked N1 delayed NK from mafia team, you are safe for tonight and rb on you have no effect, you couldn't use your ability anyway, if you say true about being non consec.

With redirector in play i had no reason block you

, especially night you can't use your ability. Bus driver i don't believe, why swap Fitz and Zekro? Anyway, at this point you as good as VT till redirector alive

You had no idea a Redirector or bus driver was in play N2.

^^^

How could you support a N2 decision with speculation not brought up until D3??

reading is hard, isn't it?

Apparently it is for you. Read the boldest line above and try answering again

And i ask you again, why would i claim to jk Comm N2 as scum? What i win from it? In future i will try write more clear, cause you missing common logic

You don't have to be a prick. I've asked you a question 3 times now and you have ignored it once and deflected it twice.

Can you answer the question ffs?

No, i won't, and i will be prick, if you will pester me on shit like this, which is obv, and already explained, why others don't push me on this "slip"? Cause my actions not makes sense at all, if i was scum, and me forgetting to add "if i was scum" to sentence in that wall not makes me scum magically

[PeregrineV]

PeregrinV: I'm still not following why you don't think James is the best lynch. He claimed scum. Do you think he's just trolling, or do you want to gamble on someone else even though there's a sure thing right in front of you? Why gamble today? What benefit is there to lynch Comm over James? You said James is only the 2nd best lynch today, so why is Comm the first? I'm not following your logic. What does lynching comm gain over lynching sure scum?

I define trolling differently, but yes, I think he is NOT scum. There is no gamble, and no sure thing. Why is James sure scum?

If CommKnight is town, James is confirmed scum, and Fitz is confirmed Vig (unless their is a redirector). That is one caught scum.

If CommKnight is scum, James is town, and Fitz is just Fitz. That is one caught scum.

Tbh, the only reason I can think of to not lynch James today is that his scum claim and self vote strike me as protecting someone else from getting the noose. Idk what other reason anyone would literally claim scum when they aren't even L1 and nowhere near deadline. Granted, he was the most likely lynch at that point, but there could've been swings onto other players hypothetically. James claiming at that point makes me think a counter wagon was also scum.

Because people are people and do stuff that don't make sense to other people.

Now I'm lost. What counterwagon? Who would James be trying to protect?

[PeregrineV]

I've been in games I was so frustrated that I almost claimed scum just to end the day, but I never did it, and I always somehow managed to not get lynched. The only time I did get lynched was when I was V/LA and not there to defend myself from a raging Titus who wanted to OMGUS wagon anyone that ever voted or disagreed with her. Nero was scum in that game, so he knows what I'm talking about. I was frustrated, because logic dictated that a specific player (whom I called scum all game long) was 100% confirmed scum, but Titus wanted to lose the game over actually playing Mafia the right way. It was so frustrating to argue with her and have her dismiss every fact and logical thought with absolutely insane theories that never made any sense, and scum coasted the entire game due to her. She couldn't even be policy lynched due to being confirmed by another player, and she lasted until Lylo only because she was so wrong on absolutely every read.

That game was an aberration though, and being so frustrated and pissed off by terrible decisions by town was clearly shown through my posts. I doubt anyone could mistake them for being faked, although Titus did try to claim I faked frustration at every turn, because that was the only conf bias she could logically use to dismiss everything I was saying.

Now compared to that, how frustrated does James seem? He doesn't seem frustrated whatsoever to me. There's no emotion in his posts that make me believe 'pissed off/railroaded townie.' RC looked that way for sure when he was still here, so compare those posts to James. So why would a non-frustrated townie ever claim scum at that point? He wasn't L1, it wasn't deadline, and other lynches were still possible. I can't see any reason to believe he's town here. He'd have to be trolling pretty hard, and it wouldn't be out of frustration.

Yes, Titus can be a pill. Can elaborate post-game if you want to read it.

James claimed 1 shot cop? Did you believe it?
James claimed a guilty on CommKnight. Did you believe it?
RadiantCowbells claimed Serial Killer. Did you believe it?
James claimed scum while a wagon on him builds. Now you believe it?

[TheFuzzylogic99]

This game really want to make me jump through the window....................luckily my apartment is only one story. Why are town claiming PR when they do not have to?
Honestly there is no reason not to vote James................
We should consider Comm tomorrow if James flips RC

Vote James

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Sorry for being MIA been busy with rl stuff

[havingfitz]

my jk on you takes effect N3, my night actions are delayed, at least i assume so, since there nothing in my pm about my night actions not being delayed, that means my block on Fitz took effect N2, so posible i blocked N1 delayed NK from mafia team, you are safe for tonight and rb on you have no effect, you couldn't use your ability anyway, if you say true about being non consec.

With redirector in play i had no reason block you

, especially night you can't use your ability. Bus driver i don't believe, why swap Fitz and Zekro? Anyway, at this point you as good as VT till redirector alive

You had no idea a Redirector or bus driver was in play N2.

^^^

How could you support a N2 decision with speculation not brought up until D3??

reading is hard, isn't it?

Apparently it is for you. Read the boldest line above and try answering again

And i ask you again, why would i claim to jk Comm N2 as scum? What i win from it? In future i will try write more clear, cause you missing common logic

You don't have to be a prick. I've asked you a question 3 times now and you have ignored it once and deflected it twice.

Can you answer the question ffs?

No, i won't, and i will be prick, if you will pester me on shit like this, which is obv, and already explained, why others don't push me on this "slip"? Cause my actions not makes sense at all, if i was scum, and me forgetting to add "if i was scum" to sentence in that wall not makes me scum magically

Excellent! We agree...you are being a prick.

Now I'm going to type this out slowly for you and see what happens. And if you can come up with an answer I will be happy to respond to the question you deflected to me twice.

Ohhhhhhhh kaaaaaaaaay Ramicus?

Here goes....

1. You told Comm that you had no reason to block him (not sure if you are referring to N1 or N2) since there was a redirector in play.

2. At the point where you using the theory about (about a redirector) to explain your actions (N1 or N2) wrt to Comm.....we had not begun discussing the likelihood of there being a redirector. So...

3. The only way you could make the insinuation above is if you KNEW there was a redirector in the game. Which would most likely be a scum position.

4. Which would mean you were scum.

So how could you use a role in the game to guide your decision making process if prior to that point you (or anyone else that I can see) had not considered that role for inclusion in the game?

And no...the answer to this question is not obv and no...it has not been already explained.

And you saying"if I was scum" has nothing to do with my question.

[havingfitz]

Vote James

I forgot fuzzy was in the game. Too many non factors atm. Yume. SlySly. Elena. Zzzzzzzzz

That's L-2 by my count btw.

[PeregrineV]

Vote James

I forgot fuzzy was in the game. Too many non factors atm. Yume. SlySly. Elena. Zzzzzzzzz

That's L-2 by my count btw.

Nope, back at L-1.

[Ramcius]

my jk on you takes effect N3, my night actions are delayed, at least i assume so, since there nothing in my pm about my night actions not being delayed, that means my block on Fitz took effect N2, so posible i blocked N1 delayed NK from mafia team, you are safe for tonight and rb on you have no effect, you couldn't use your ability anyway, if you say true about being non consec.

With redirector in play i had no reason block you

, especially night you can't use your ability. Bus driver i don't believe, why swap Fitz and Zekro? Anyway, at this point you as good as VT till redirector alive

You had no idea a Redirector or bus driver was in play N2.

^^^

How could you support a N2 decision with speculation not brought up until D3??

reading is hard, isn't it?

Apparently it is for you. Read the boldest line above and try answering again

And i ask you again, why would i claim to jk Comm N2 as scum? What i win from it? In future i will try write more clear, cause you missing common logic

You don't have to be a prick. I've asked you a question 3 times now and you have ignored it once and deflected it twice.

Can you answer the question ffs?

No, i won't, and i will be prick, if you will pester me on shit like this, which is obv, and already explained, why others don't push me on this "slip"? Cause my actions not makes sense at all, if i was scum, and me forgetting to add "if i was scum" to sentence in that wall not makes me scum magically

Excellent! We agree...you are being a prick.

Now I'm going to type this out slowly for you and see what happens. And if you can come up with an answer I will be happy to respond to the question you deflected to me twice.

Ohhhhhhhh kaaaaaaaaay Ramicus?

Here goes....

1. You told Comm that you had no reason to block him (not sure if you are referring to N1 or N2) since there was a redirector in play.

2. At the point where you using the theory about (about a redirector) to explain your actions (N1 or N2) wrt to Comm.....we had not begun discussing the likelihood of there being a redirector. So...

3. The only way you could make the insinuation above is if you KNEW there was a redirector in the game. Which would most likely be a scum position.

4. Which would mean you were scum.

So how could you use a role in the game to guide your decision making process if prior to that point you (or anyone else that I can see) had not considered that role for inclusion in the game?

And no...the answer to this question is not obv and no...it has not been already explained.

And you saying"if I was scum" has nothing to do with my question.

So, after i claimed to jk you N1 (shifted to N2), Comm asked who i jk N2 (which takes effect N3) and i answered it was he, that was way before my post you quoting so relentlessly, i hope you agree that i can be only JK or scum rb, any other role makes no sense to claim jk you on N1, i would be lynched by now, if you was PR, so if i was scum rb, why i would claim to jk Comm? I have no reason to lie about my target, who knows what still lurking, so i have to tell my real target, but if i was scum rb, why would i block Comm N2? Even if he lied about being non consec, still better use redirector than rb. If you have any explanations why i would do all this gambit with you and Comm claiming JK as scum, feel free share with me, so i could have a good laugh

[PeregrineV]

James3 [L-1] CommKnight, Elena Fisher, Vifam, Nero Cain, James3, Almost50 CommKnight, Elena Fisher, Vifam, Nero Cain, James3, Almost50, FuzzyLogic

[havingfitz]

James3 [L-1] CommKnight, Elena Fisher, Vifam, Nero Cain, James3, Almost50 CommKnight, Elena Fisher, Vifam, Nero Cain, James3, Almost50, FuzzyLogic

Yep, my bad...L-1. I was thinking it was 9 to lynch.

So how long we playing out this day?
Why aren't you voting anyone PerV?

[PeregrineV]

James3 [L-1] CommKnight, Elena Fisher, Vifam, Nero Cain, James3, Almost50 CommKnight, Elena Fisher, Vifam, Nero Cain, James3, Almost50, FuzzyLogic

Yep, my bad...L-1. I was thinking it was 9 to lynch.

So how long we playing out this day?
Why aren't you voting anyone PerV?

Hopefully longer than 48 hours.

Like who? Claims, I want Comm.
Crap play? Fuzzy, XnadrojX
No play? Yume.

And want more from Yume, Nero, Elena, Sly

[havingfitz]

So Ramicus...

did you say your JK is bulletproof?

Also...you have still managed to ignore my question. Or you fail to grasp it which is more likely.

How could you claim to use the presence of a redirector to guide your N2 actions when the prospects of a redirector being in the game was not brought up until D3?

In an effort to put new content on the site versus repeating the same question over and over and over and over to you...I'm show you how to respond to a question.


Why would you claim to jk Comm N2? Hypothetically speaking...if you were a scum RBer...you could claim a JK on Comm N2 becuase you would know that (if he is telling the truth) that he would have no way of knowing whether you had in fact JK'd him. And if you were scum...your team could just avoid shooting Comm to support your claim. And if scum does have a redirector (which they appear to have based on Comm and A50's claims)... why use a redirect on Comm N2 when a simple block would keep him in check. Leaving the redirect for other scum preferences.

Who knows? Hypothesizing why scum does anything is just that...hypothesis.

What is fact is the comment you made about considering the redirector role before redirectors were a thing. And continued to not explain. Which if you are town should be easy peasy.

[PeregrineV]

That's not what he is saying.

[SlySly]

I so want to hammer James. If he really is a cop, the guilty should be hanging.

Here's what makes me think James is lying. James has been consistent that I'm scum the entire game. Why didn't he investigate me?

Thoughts?