Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[nancy]

Not with the lore I think. I mean I don't play CIV but I highly doubt it.

Hmmmm

I guess it is a possibility.

Gonna be blunt. When I read these two posts, I feel like I'm being lied to.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

*shrug*

[nancy]

But you didn't unvote Nero.

I don't care for "tone". I care about what a slot has done.

ok? I'm not arguing that I did. I just said I would have if I had the chance. but what does that have to do with like anything?

Hm?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I don't see why you would lie about something that could easily be looked up on Google so I took your word for it.

[Nero Cain]

though I might as well post this here....

bought the Civ humble bundle pack so I have spare keys for Civ 3, Civ 5 and Civ 5 Gods and Kings expansion pack.

^^^^
must have steam.

I can pm the key to Nahdia so she doesn't think I'm cheating. She already has the games so she won't steal them.

[nancy]

No, what I meant was, it felt like you feigned ignorance in 10913 (holy fucking shit the post count), and then artificially considered the possibility. Just a feeling. Could be wrong.

[nancy]

though I might as well post this here....

bought the Civ humble bundle pack so I have spare keys for Civ 3, Civ 5 and Civ 5 Gods and Kings expansion pack.

^^^^
must have steam.

I can pm the key to Nahdia so she doesn't think I'm cheating. She already has the games so she won't steal them.

Huh?

[Nero Cain]

But you didn't unvote Nero.

I don't care for "tone". I care about what a slot has done.

ok? I'm not arguing that I did. I just said I would have if I had the chance. but what does that have to do with like anything?

Hm?

IDK, Ali is making a big deal over how I found Sondam scummy and thus I should be ignored about Gork. I guess its not all that dissimilar from me not wanting to sheep/trust those players that killed Bee and ABR.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I can feign ignorance pretty well but that isn't me doing it. I literally thought the mod came up with this setup on their own. It wasn't until like the middle of D1 that I realized this was based on a game.

[Nero Cain]

though I might as well post this here....

bought the Civ humble bundle pack so I have spare keys for Civ 3, Civ 5 and Civ 5 Gods and Kings expansion pack.

^^^^
must have steam.

I can pm the key to Nahdia so she doesn't think I'm cheating. She already has the games so she won't steal them.

Huh?

Its not game related. I just have extra game copies of Civ for Steam so I thought I'd ask here though maybe I should have waited for end game.

[nancy]

@LUV Alright.

@Nero I was pointing out the discrepancy in your attitude. You don't care about anything except what other people have done, but you expect judgement to be suspended when it comes to your own behavior.

[nancy]

Oh, OK. Most people here have probably played Civ, I don't think that could constitute cheating in any way.

[nancy]

LUV isn't untouchable, but I think there's enough of a chance he's Town that I don't want to lynch it right now.

Furthermore, Notice's most recent post reads to me like "We didn't send Gork to do the nightkill so he's caught for wrong reasons".

Lol.

Yeah this is scum, and was whiteknighting Glork.
There's no way nancy gets this SO FUCKING WRONG as town after everything I've said.

@LUV this is town!Notice, ftr.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I don't have any real experience with Jae. Just what went down earlier Day 1 didn't sit well with me. If I had to place them in reads it would be the third weakest scum read.

[Nero Cain]

@Nero I was pointing out the discrepancy in your attitude. You don't care about anything except what other people have done, but you expect judgement to be suspended when it comes to your own behavior.

Is this about me saying that Math scum reading me is odd? As far as I can remember Math's scum read on me is some meta that they've never gone in depth on and that I wasn't voting my top scumread. I'm not really seeing your point here. Yes, Math's "case" on me is hilariously wrong but I fail to see what me arguing Math's meta point is wrong as fuck and me scum reading players for what I feel has been scummy behavior and discounting "tone" based reads has to do with...ANYTHING.

[nancy]

I don't have a great read on Jae by any means (that should be obvious by now) but I do know a few small ways to help distinguish their Town game and their scum game. I'm not telling you they are locktown because they made that one post. But it bumps them from a scumlean to null.

VOTE: Leonshade

Whomever is Town on the Gorkington wagon needs to wake up to the gamestate and realize they are very likely pushing a mislynch.

[nancy]

@Nero nothing about Math, just about the general attitude towards people who were on mislynch wagons.

[Nero Cain]

I didn't know I was getting all fussy @ Alisae for using me being on the Sondam wagon as a way to discredit my Gork vote.

[nancy]

I feel you. And I'm just saying that you've done the same to me and others in the past. So we should probably start looking at things in a little less black and white.

[Vecna]

WHY THE FUCK ARE PEOPLE LYNCHING GORKINGTON

HE IS TOWN

HOLY FUCK THIS TOWN IS FUCKING HORRIBLE

What reasons do you have for saying this?

[Vecna]

VOTE: Gorkington

nancy is giving me the heebie jeebies. No time to explain but Gork is also scum so....

my read on mathblade is pretty linked with my leonshade read.

i think the way his focus on me developed was potentially very opportunistic in terms of the timing of my focus going towards leonshade and the subsequent hardpush on me being scum, as well as the hesitance to actually commit to pushing there until the leonshade wagon was actually kind of failing.

i think one of the things i feel worst about with so many of these people who have called me scum is that SO SO SO many of them claimed i was obviously scum throughout my early play, but instead decided to focus elsewhere, especially while leonshade wagon was happening.

like, i just cant help but feel like some of it must have been opportunism.

i especially feel bad about math/leon pushes together because they use very very similar reasoning.
in a way that almost makes me feel like there was discussion on how to frame pushing me.

beyond that, i dont really see incredibly convincing reasoning for why leonshade has mathblade in his toptier and mathblade is constantly defending leonshade and calling him obvtown but doesnt seem to supply reasons while doing so while leonshade wagon is happening?
it just seems weird to me that he wouldnt try to convince people by saying actual reasons that he was scum vs just saying over and over again that hes town and trying to push nero who was clearly not going to happen? im just not sure if i see how that intention works.

with math theres also this really strange justification for scumreading me of "PV is scum and PV/Gork are scumbuddies"
and i just dont really get it?
like.
that was one of the first things that stood out to me this game.
that PV has like.. 200+ posts, ive only ever seen PVscum lurk and math is calling him scum?
ive asked for reasoning on this and i never got it.
and theres a lame part of me that feels like math is pushing me as an excuse to not have to rehash that [but thats probably not a good point zzz].

in terms of general thoughts on math im kind of confused as to why hes still alive?
scum grabbing vig to try and justify mathblade's claim being alive this game seems pretty plausible to me.
i havent really looked into what people have been talking about here so i would be interested in whether this was talked about at some point/if people could link me to where it was talked about so i dont waste too much time speccing over something thats probably already been talked about at some point.

in summary i just get bad vibes about the timing and justification of his scumread on me in terms of how it relates to leon who is really really likely scum and his PVread and justification of scumreading me via his PVread feels wonky and the role stuff kind of pings me too.

people townreading mathblade should talk to me like im 12 about it.

p-edit: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
please dont take the wind out of my sails just as im getting going.
at least not with generic shit like "your post sucks".
i dont think you understand how demotivating that in particular is for me.
please dont :/

There is one good point being made here actually:

Math HARD townreads Leonshade for his D1/D2 play.......Yet Leonshades reads are an EXACT copy of my reads for those entire day. He's constantly pushing the same targets and having the same reads.

Yet im a hard scumread off Mathblade.

The sense there is pretty absent, even though thats not so surprising I guess.

[Vecna]

can you link me specific posts that you feel wouldnt be fakeable by them in terms of dissonance?

p-edit: ty, you honestly have no idea how much i appreciate it after feeling shut down so much

Being shut down so much? You didnt exactly do a lot so far this game, so this sentiment feels fake.

[Vecna]

Explain to me why Gork is town when he makes up clear bullshit about me and can't be bothered to gender me correctly. I don't see it.

I am sick and tired of repeating myself and making cases that get ignored. I simply state my reads and that works better.

Gork's theory of scum grabbing vig he is pitching to try to make me sound scum versus believing it. If he was actually thinking and hunting he would say if scum picked up vig it would be for the extra kill. However what is probably more likely is that town picked up vig and scum probably picked up a doc. Only reason I can think of as to why I am still alive.

Because this wagon on him is shit and because he's genuinely trying to solve the game. Because neither he nor his preds have done anything warranting a scumread. I don't think you've stated good reasons to scumread someone here.

Thats simply not true, him and his predecessors have done a fair ammount of stuff that could warrant such.

[Vecna]

I just don't see Math being town here. I don't care about all the AtE or whatever you think it was doing with his sister. His Vecna push is questionable at best and his interactions with PV the previous day are so slimy. Not to mention he keeps trying to ride on the back of 'I would never do that with my sister' instead of, you know, being 'obvtown' like he constantly claims to be.

1) I am a they.
2) I am obvtown get over it. I'm trying to work with people but I'm not changing word choice etc for it. People can be obvTown to me and not be obvTown to everyone else.
3) Ask what questions you like then move on because we have scum to lynch and I'm not it and I want you to be able to see I'm town.

It's more it demonstrates a clear, not reading posts of someone you supposedly scumread when I mentioned it before.

As painful as it is it's the same problem I have with LUV. Just not paying attention and some things are so easily correctable.

Furthermore your post is written like a house of cards and doesn't have a firm foundation of belief. If it was actually a valid scumread you'd react differently.

Now I could take your entire post, rip it to shreds, and then have mountains more posts but people are already complaining about how unwieldy the thread is. Demonstrating the obvious (like your argument is clear shit) or repeating things (e.g. why PV is scum.) is not beneficial. No one has given me a reason to townread what multiple people (Vecna being one) called a scumclaim. PV is also demonstrating that he isn't engaging with clear thought in the thread.

The problem is you aren't reading posts for hunting you're reading them to see what argument you could make.

If town wouldve vigged PV, they would stated so by now because their wonder was useless.

If scum wouldve wasted their NK to kill one of their own, they would be using the treestump a hell of a lot more to influence us.

PV = town, drop this crap.

[Vecna]

nancy I'm town. I've just been lost since ABR flipped town and now Sondam.

I'm rarely seen in this state because as scum I'm usually a lot more town read then this and faking engagement and when I'm town and on roll via either calling a read right or strongly believing in a read I'm a lot more engaged. I just don't have anything to give other than sheep those who I think are town. I don't have the will to reread and real time interactions just get drowned out by noise. Don't get me wrong, you're absolutely right but it's such a struggle to get a wagon going on anyone and town has had no signs of teamwork since the middle of Day 1.

Ugh, this is the first type of post from LUV that mirrors his scumplay in PYP. also a pretty poor image of his own scumplay.