Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[KidAmn]

Lynchpool/scumpool
KidAmn
Leonshade

Explain a world where I present a giant case on Leon yet am partnered with him as scum

I'll wait

[Nero Cain]

Alisae-was sheeping RC
MathBlade-say I'm plating like Gunslingers, caims they have more
Leonshade-I'm not scumhunting, I'm randomly arguing with ppl
Creature-????
RadiantCowbells-I'm ignoring "things" What things, RV won't tell us.
Vecna-I am playing like a Deathnote.
Maxous-I haven't been nighkilled yet
nancy-was OMGUS scum reading me

What well reasoned and thought out stances! Besides the obvious scum here (RC, Alisae, maybe Nancy, maybe Math) you guys are fucking trash.

[KidAmn]

Wagon responses today;

Gorkington; FU ALL, let me townpost and try to salvage my slot and fuck up this vecna scrub in the process
Nero; Boohoo, selfvote - followed by a lot of posting of varying quality (some of which I thought was pretty indicative of town)
Leonshade; Boohoo, im so demotivated, I have no defence except that I dont care about solving the mess that I was a part of creating
Kidamn; Boohoo, too much posting, go ahead and lynch me.

yeah.....

Misrep, ignores the crux of the point I made (made a case, completely ignored by everyone except 1 chainsaw) and tbh if my SRs are wrong the people I'm pointing at need to look real hard at how "pro-town" gish galloping the fuck out this game has been

[Nero Cain]

Explain a world where I present a giant case on Leon yet am partnered with him as scum

I'll wait

bro its the same guy that thought ABR was scum. but both you and Yuri were lurky.

[Nero Cain]

if the kid slot is town then

Akane and Nebby (4): Yuri, beeboy, Nero Cain, Albert B. Rampage

is an all town wagon and was like the only wagon outside of the (Yuri/Bee/ABR) town clusterfuck that was pushed all d1.

There was a Max wagon to start the game and a quick Senpai wagon that faded quickly.

[Nero Cain]

and if we are doing translation here let me do Vecna.

Someone thinks I'm scum? Let me beat my chest.

[Leonshade]

theres always that distinc resistance when it comes to leon even tho he outright scumtold and outed a few terrible posts,

he also went on his reads on myself when i didnt change mine which is another scumtell

What does the bolded refer to?

12582: If Gorkington is town as well, I really don't know what's going on. My PoE is down to three people at this point, my reads must be garbage.

{Alisae, Creature, MathBlade, Maxous, nancy}
{Caesar, davesaz, LUV, RC, Senpai, Vecna}
{-}
{KidAmn, Nero, CloudKicker}

Have I been pocketed?

[KidAmn]

I dunno, can you pocket yourself

[Nero Cain]

my reads must be garbage

or you are just scum.

There's also 5 scum in this game so.....

[nancy]

Leon that readslist is honestly abysmal and I think you can do better.

[Nero Cain]

{KidAmn, Nero, CloudKicker}

this is also the exact same scum group that RC has but he has Dave.

[Leonshade]

While RC's defense is what's actually going on, Vecna did put it into perspective why he's scumreading me.

Code Geass was the result of a lot of time, effort and investment, none of which I've really had for this game. I didn't have the time to follow the game in the early game, I stopped putting in effort after the first couple days and my investment has dwindled a lot. I didn't even start putting in the time to figure out who has which wonder (which Code Geass!Leon would've done) until the time between my "scumclaim" and my temporary re-investment into the game. Even then I didn't figure out that davesaz had the investigation wonder until Gork and Vecna stated it.

I won't cry if I get lynched, my play here certainly doesn't warrant me being townread.

If I have to defend myself, I will say that the reasons I've been scumread are largely due to my lack of apparent effort, especially after D1/D2. This is due to lack of town motivation due to us doing so poorly. If I was scum, what reason would I have to be unmotivated? The game would be going really well from the POV of scum!Leon, who was largely avoiding suspicion in the early game. I don't claim to be a great scum player, but I think I at least could have kept up my D1/D2 level of play.

The above is largely WIFOM (I could just be faking apathy as a calculated move), but I'll say it for the sake of transparency.

I will say that there's been an unusual amount of VT claims lately (I count five including me, I might be forgetting someone), which makes me wonder whether they're all truthful. There's been 16 wonders available, with only three Wonders dead and 16 players remaining. That includes the two scum wonders, both of which I assume the scum would have. Since claiming a Wonder you don't have is too risky, the Encryptor and Janitor would pretty much be forced to claim VT.

[Leonshade]

I think just one scumflip would clear a lot of things up. I think there's at least two scum in my bottom tier, I don't know where to start looking in my town tiers.

Calling Gork town for that post is premature, but neither am I comfortable lynching him today (and he's not on the table anyway). I'm willing to lynch anyone on my bottom tier.

[Leonshade]

Point out the same thing happened to the Gork wagon turning into a Nero wagon and happened on previously fast-pushed wagons on town -> omg Kid is scum with Nero

90% of the reason I'm up for lynch is Yuri lurking so hard he got replaced

I just have no fucking appetite for this game tbh, it's half a dozen people swinging their metaphorical dick around and every time I come back to it there's another 10-15 pages that could be 3-5 if people learned to condense their fucking thoughts

Scumteam is probably 4 of Leon/Alisae/Creature/Maxous/Gork/RC

Do whatever you feel like you have to do, IDGAF, I failed to build Hanging Gardens N1 and Chichen Itza N3, get it over with

At least four town here (the first four). What are your reads on Senpai, CK and LUV?

[Vecna]

They're close as baby kittens.

Tbh I'm kind of tempted to compete for the IC with Pine just because there are so many Town SRing me for god knows why and if Town could just stop SRing Town we might actually lynch scum in this game.

Please dont....It should be on Nero or Ceasar.

[Vecna]

Oh yeah Vecna is trying to PL him I forgot.

Trying to get him to explain stuff. Everything he's done is completely NAI to me, and I want to gauge his reasons for scumreading luv/me.

[Leonshade]

KidAmn's case on me and Creature is largely based on pre-flip associatives. The cooperation between me and Creature's been pretty obvious, but that's usually a sign of town interaction, not scumbuddies.

10256/10257 - Creature chainsaws for Leon, regurgitating the "inevitability" of Sondam's wagon.

Get ouf of Leonshade.

Their lynch was inevitable anyway.

That's not a chainsaw, that's just plain defense. It's not even accompanied with a vote.

8120 - Gosh, guys, why don't you remember that you ALWAYS think Town!Creature is scum?

Let me remind you of that, thanks to my detailed knowledge of Creature's meta from outta nowhere.

What do you mean out of nowhere? I've played with Creature in plenty of games, and I've been in two games with town!Creature and town!Maria where they scumread each other (Dota Mafia R2 and WWE Mafia). Furthermore, by this point I've made my townread on Creature very clear:

Spoiler:

Creature is town and I will vehemently oppose all attempts to claim otherwise.

Catching up later.

Town

Akane & Nebby
Creature
Fro99er
Lil Uzi Vert
PeregrineV
Sondam
Vecna

Scum

Yuri
NoticeMeSenpai

That's what I got so far. What I've seen of JaeReed doesn't look like town!JaeReed, so he can join the scumpool. I could also see ABR as scum, popping in just to OMGUS DEO after doing literally nothing for so long looks bad.

Creature was already on the wagon.

Drixx would not be an ideal choice for the treestump, I was pinged by their entrance and they seem to be struggling with keeping up with the game state, so even if they're town they wouldn't be the best choice. Creature would be my first choice. Vecna is another good one, but I'd be at least a bit paranoid about Vecna, whereas Creature is easy to read.

I TR Creature, but I don't remember him stating an SR on Vecna and the Kyouko wagon was gaining momentum.

"if he's town" so it's literally his town meta according to you.

no its fucking not. I'm saying that if he's town and replaced out of a game this large and bloated since there was atleast one real claim and one maybe fake claim I'm saying that that's immature as hell. I don't think I've played with Spiff recently at all. How would I know his meta?

Ohhh I thought you were saying "Spiffeh tends to be a big baby as he's town" not "if he was town in this game, he's a big baby".

leon/creature/sodam/dave/????? team?

All town except maybe Dave. Why did you stop scumreading Vecna?

[Vecna]

Alisae-was sheeping RC
MathBlade-say I'm plating like Gunslingers, caims they have more
Leonshade-I'm not scumhunting, I'm randomly arguing with ppl
Creature-????
RadiantCowbells-I'm ignoring "things" What things, RV won't tell us.
Vecna-I am playing like a Deathnote.
Maxous-I haven't been nighkilled yet
nancy-was OMGUS scum reading me

What well reasoned and thought out stances! Besides the obvious scum here (RC, Alisae, maybe Nancy, maybe Math) you guys are fucking trash.

and if we are doing translation here let me do Vecna.

Someone thinks I'm scum? Let me beat my chest.

Why do you keep doing this, even though ive been protecting you and providing a shitton of reasons why youre likely town? Also the thing that you play like Deathnote was from what? Like day1 or day2? Ever since ive been stating you play different.

Like, you know im town - you even state so here in this block of town - but why do you feel the need to keep attacking me?

[Nero Cain]

I'm town as fuck bro.

[Leonshade]

I just realized that if you highlight text before you hit the quote button, it only quotes the quoted text. I've been doing it wrong for so long.

6160/6161 - ALL ABOARD!

VOTE: SSBM_Kyouko

We could always try.

VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko

lalalalala

How does such an obvious simultaneous jump on the wagon increase your scumread? Oh, and you ignored the context:

At this point I'm more confident that Kyouko will flip scum than ABR, but I'm also confident that Vecna will flip town and I don't want his lynch to happen.

I could get behind a Kyouko lynch tbh.

8946 - More chainsaw for Creature on Leon's part.

I don't want to catch up right now.

I'll just point to this page next time someone says Creature is scum.

I like Creature's PoE scumpool, only one I would immediately take off is Senpai. Don't want to lynch in Yuri/Sondam today, but if I'm going to start doubting my TRs they would be the first two to go.

Do you just use "chainsaw" to mean defense?

[Vecna]

I'm town as fuck bro.

Answer my question

[Nero Cain]

Like, you know im town - you even state so here in this block of town - but why do you feel the need to keep attacking me?

I never knew I had any town bock though if you mean that I think you are maybe less likely to be scum of the ppl with scumreads on me then yeah.

I just think its really odd that you keep me as a substantially strong scum read in your reads lists and threat me like I'm scum/null. At this point in time I'm fairly lynchable due to I guess, maybe not falling in line and wanting to wagon the same mislynches over over and over again. (Yuri, ABR, Bee) There hasn't been a halfway decent case on me the whole game.

Why, if you keep presenting evidence for why you think I'm town, do I never move up in your reads? Its like you are taking out of both sides of your mouth.

[Leonshade]

In summary - this is why I don't trust whatever conf-scum Creature is claiming (attachment to my No. 1 SR and consistent defence of them), and this is why Leonshade needs to hang - hopping onto multiple mislynches late in the day while encouraging town to look at everyone else on those wagons, and when pressed on his jumping onto them, claims it was totally not his fault, the lynches were inevitable and he just sped it up. This, plus Creature outta nowhere chainsawing him despite neither of them ever really committing to a solid TR with reasoning on each other (apart from Leon calling Creature vs. Sondam a "TvT spat" in 7531) - looking through their ISO the only times they seem to really interact is to defend each other or to hop on the same wagons. I'm not 100% on Creature and I'm willing to wait and see on his RB result on Gork, but the amount of interaction between him and Leon has me seriously worried.

Hmm, I'm not sure whether your case is scummy, or just based on faulty reasoning. I know it's wrong, which skews my perspective. Nobody else seems to have really reacted to your case, I'd like for others to take a closer look at it and see what they think.

At the same time, you're in my PoE and it doesn't look like Nero is happening. I started townreading Yuri due to their posting while they were being wagoned, but their activity peaked at that point and largely dropped off afterwards. It could be that they just upped their game to avoid being lynched, then went back to lurking afterwards.

I don't really have a great reason to believe that you're scum, but Nero doesn't seem to be happening and I still think my PoE is largely correct, with two/three erroneous townreads.

VOTE: KidAmn

I think KidAmn/CK/Nero has at least two, if not three scum in it. I also think that if KidAmn flips scum, Gork is town (as KidAmn tries to push Nero being a counterwagon to Gork).

[Nero Cain]

Who are your "weakest" town reads, Leon?

[Leonshade]

New vecna readslist for Leonshade to copy:

Town;
Vecna
Luv
Nancy
Mathblade
Cloudkicker

Probably town;
Davesaz
Alisae
Caesar (on the condition of palaces being built)
Gorkington/Nero/RC (biggest question marks in this group)

Dont know;
Maxous
Creature
NoticeMeSenpai

Lynchpool/scumpool
KidAmn
Leonshade

Not going to change my reads because they're similar to yours, that would be the scummy thing to do. The idea that you've been floating of me copying your reads has always been pretty ridiculous, but I don't really know how to respond to it, besides that it's wrong.