Balance Discussuon Thread

Firebringer · Post Post #0 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:27 am

You bring a Closed Setup in here.

Me and my crack team (I'll just yell at antihero and Radiantcowbells to help)
Decide if it's balanced.
Or if it's extremely unbalanced, town leaning, or scum sided.

Please don't bring a setup you plan on running.
Pref a setup that already ran.

Antihero · Post Post #1 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:29 am

if it's multiball, no amount of yelling will get me to help

Ircher · Post Post #2 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:48 am

Town Mason
Town Mason
Town Friendly Neighbor
Town Innocent Child (D1 force-reveal)
Mafia Encryptor
2 * Mafia Goon
6 * Vanilla Townie

Firebringer · Post Post #3 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:54 am

In post 2, Ircher wrote:Town Mason
Town Mason
Town Friendly Neighbor
Town Innocent Child (D1 force-reveal)
Mafia Encryptor
2 * Mafia Goon
6 * Vanilla Townie

I would say this is townsided given the amount of clears.
Probably not overtly townsided though since no investigatives.
Chances of it swinging depend on night kill and who friendly neighbor visited night one.

Four confirmed town in a 13 player game is a lot.
Scum essentially can't kill the VTs.

Antihero · Post Post #4 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:48 pm

In post 2, Ircher wrote:Town Mason
Town Mason
Town Friendly Neighbor
Town Innocent Child (D1 force-reveal)
Mafia Encryptor
2 * Mafia Goon
6 * Vanilla Townie

close to balanced

friends and enemies has a high-ish scum win rate and so adding one more confirmed probably evens it up

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #5 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:50 pm

Townsided but not by an insane amount.

Umlaut · Post Post #6 (ISO) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:27 am

1x Mafia 1-Shot Strongman
1x Mafia Goon
1x Town Watcher
1x Town 2-Shot Jailkeeper
5x Vanilla Townie

This setup was built with input from the normal review group and then ended in a perfect town win on Day 2.

Accountant · Post Post #7 (ISO) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 5:04 am

13 mafia goons
14 vanilla townies

McMenno · Post Post #8 (ISO) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 5:10 am

2 goons
5 townies
1 1-shot bulletproof
1 tracker

days are 365 days
nights are 24 hours
two lynches a day, plurality

Accountant · Post Post #9 (ISO) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 5:19 am

Unlimited bulletproof makes that townsided.

Umlaut · Post Post #10 (ISO) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 5:19 am

In post 7, Accountant wrote:13 mafia goons
14 vanilla townies

Townsided, there are clearly more town than mafia in this setup

chamber · Post Post #11 (ISO) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 5:47 am

In post 5, RadiantCowbells wrote:Townsided but not by an insane amount.

I lean towards 3 masons 3 mafia 7 vts being a balanced setup. This is considerably more townsided than that.

Randomnamechange · Post Post #12 (ISO) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 5:52 am

1 paranoid gun owner/vig
12 SKs

Antihero · Post Post #13 (ISO) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 6:03 am

In post 11, chamber wrote:
In post 5, RadiantCowbells wrote:Townsided but not by an insane amount.
I lean towards 3 masons 3 mafia 7 vts being a balanced setup. This is considerably more townsided than that.

the stats don't bear that out https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... nd_Enemies

Antihero · Post Post #14 (ISO) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 6:05 am

In post 10, Umlaut wrote:
In post 7, Accountant wrote:13 mafia goons
14 vanilla townies
Townsided, there are clearly more town than mafia in this setup

someone give this man a professor mafia scummie

McMenno · Post Post #15 (ISO) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 6:24 am

In post 9, Accountant wrote:Unlimited bulletproof makes that townsided.

edited for clarity

Firebringer · Post Post #16 (ISO) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 11:38 am

In post 6, Umlaut wrote:1x Mafia 1-Shot Strongman
1x Mafia Goon
1x Town Watcher
1x Town 2-Shot Jailkeeper
5x Vanilla Townie

This setup was built with input from the normal review group and then ended in a perfect town win on Day 2.

Ill let antihero and Radiantcowbells comment on this since I was a reviewer, I thought this was perfectly balanced.

In post 7, Accountant wrote:13 mafia goons
14 vanilla townies

Unbalanced, but also a troll suggestion.

In post 8, McMenno wrote:2 goons
5 townies
1 1-shot bulletproof
1 tracker

days are 365 days
nights are 24 hours
two lynches a day, plurality

Worst setup ever.

In post 12, Randomnamechange wrote:1 paranoid gun owner/vig
12 SKs

Second worst setup ever.

Fro99er · Post Post #17 (ISO) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 12:06 pm

Town Backup Innocent Child
Town Backup Innocent Child (yes, two of them)
Town Odd-Night Role Cop
Town Even-Night Role Cop
Town Encryptor Enabler
5 VTs

Mafia Encryptor
Mafia Backup Encryptor
Mafia Goon

Ircher · Post Post #18 (ISO) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 12:12 pm

Town Odd-Night Jailkeeper
Town Even-Night Roleblocker
Town Follower Neighbor
Town Voyeur Neighbor
Mafia 1-Shot Strongman Encryptor
Mafia Odd-Night Ninja
Mafia Even-Night Jailkeeper (Town RB has precedence)
6 * Vanilla Townie

Randomnamechange · Post Post #19 (ISO) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 12:15 pm

In post 16, Firebringer wrote:
In post 12, Randomnamechange wrote:1 paranoid gun owner/vig
12 SKs
Second worst setup ever.

out of curiosity, why?

Antihero · Post Post #20 (ISO) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 2:13 pm

In post 16, Firebringer wrote:Ill let antihero and Radiantcowbells comment on this since I was a reviewer, I thought this was perfectly balanced.

yep... good d("d)

Antihero · Post Post #21 (ISO) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 2:13 pm

In post 17, Fro99er wrote:Town Backup Innocent Child
Town Backup Innocent Child (yes, two of them)
Town Odd-Night Role Cop
Town Even-Night Role Cop
Town Encryptor Enabler
5 VTs

Mafia Encryptor
Mafia Backup Encryptor
Mafia Goon

smidge scumsided. balanced enough.

Spiffeh · Post Post #22 (ISO) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 2:14 pm

Is it possible to edit the thread title so "Discussion" is spelled correctly?

Firebringer · Post Post #23 (ISO) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 2:15 pm

Never!

Antihero · Post Post #24 (ISO) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 2:16 pm

actually... nix that

that's scumsided