Midsummer Night's Revelry - [Game Over]

[gigabyteTroubadour]

fire can you stick to your promise of not posting i lose brain cells every time

[Firebringer]

[Priscila]

actually how would you feel about you/key hebi?

this would be in a world we leave out dan but i think this removes a lot of concerns thatve been held about him (too easily pocketed off the top of my head, i'm also concerned about him being lynched if we let him past pre-dance anyway even though i think he's shitting town sparkles???)

Hebi can choose whatever partner she wants, it is not up to me. I would very much prefer Vecna to be with Hebi personally and me with you. I do not necessarily want to leave Dan out, I just do not want him anywhere near Hebichan.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

if vecna is town though that means vecna probably gets nk'd and i'd like to prevent that if possible since i think he'd be a strong player lategame if he's paired with town

[gigabyteTroubadour]

vecna > keyen > you are the only people i'd like to pair with and in that order

i want consensus though because i'm not going to be the sole decider of the lynch today

[Priscila]

I do not think you are town, though.

[Priscila]

I think you want to partner with Vecna because he townreads you and you believe you can keep him pocketed.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

that will change once i actually get into the game

I think you want to partner with Vecna because he townreads you and you believe you can keep him pocketed.

why that over the fact we're friends

[Priscila]

Well, if you are friends go talk to him on sitechat.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

then let me be less subtle at what i want -

what about my play strikes that my intention is to pocket vecna?

[Priscila]

You have avoided engaging with him before the pairing and... I scumread you and townread him, so, it should be pretty natural that I think you want to keep him in your pocket.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i would think someone opting to pocket wants to engage with their victim?

like you cant manipulate someone by just existing - and with minimal hood use thats going to be difficult to do after the pairing as well

[Firebringer]

You have avoided engaging with him before the pairing and... I scumread you and townread him, so, it should be pretty natural that I think you want to keep him in your pocket.

Cattier indeed

[Firebringer]

Wrong quote

[gigabyteTroubadour]

but what was the right one

[Firebringer]

Why do you want my toothbrush?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

you dont feel like a real person this game

i dont know how to word this better but like

in the past your posting hasnt made me lose brain cells this rapidly

[RadiantCowbells]

Giga I feel like you wouldn't be as mean as to explicitly tell someone to shut the fuck up if you were town. I feel like you'd be nicer to Fire here if you were town

[gigabyteTroubadour]

you're wrong then

this game has meant only pent up frustration for me since maria accepting dunn's invitation and it's only been getting worse

i'd replace out but a: i find the game exciting and b: i'm going to relieve the frustration as soon as the nooses come out so

if fire is genuinely offended by all means i'll leave it pent up and not say anything

[ActionDan]

Considering the change of heart comes right after 1354 I can surmise that you dislike my choice to leave key out, and that's solely why you've changed your mind here. Do you think there are better reasons to have wanted to leave someone else out? If so, who should I have considered and why? Did you find my analysis in 1354 flawed, incorrect, or duplicitous? If so, how so?

No, although the way you treated Key slot was sketchy. I think that your posts are empty and you are just playing the tune people want to hear. I didn't realize until 1354 and then your proposal to Hebichan was just incredibly scummy.

I feel completely unable to articulate myself right now, but essentially what I see in ActionDan is empty reasoning. He talks about me and Penguin in 608 but the there is nothing underneath the surface of his townreads on us - they are thin and propped up by what amounts to theory talk and poetry. The behavior he is reading into is pretty null but he's making it a townread. He is not talking through his reads, he is not looking into the players - he is just reciting pre-formed ideas about why they could be a certain alignment and making his read fit to that. Like in 957 he talks about dunn/mariar and it is just empty words that he does nothing with. Then he talks about Key and it is like, he is just forcing Key's behavior in a certain way and not even trying to make a read or understand Key, he doesn't even scumread them he just wants them to be left out. His proposal to Hebichan was scummy because it was like he always knew he was going to make it but he made a show of being unsure and trying to think through the benefits and disadvantages and his preference and such.

Idk I am not in the mental state for mafia these days.

I judged Key fairly and without prejudice even knowing he was a competitor for a dance spot. Contrary to what GBT is suggesting, I can see his posting through a town lens, as a very reactive townie, but there's a critical thinking gap far too large to ignore, and explainable by him simply being scum. He is decidedly the one that should be left out before the dance.

"Empty reasoning" is a rather empty buzzword even after your attempt to define it, but it's clear that you aren't outright invalidating the reasoning part. My town reads on you and P_A for example are were formed exactly as I said. "Thin", "Propped up", "Theory talk and poetry" I can translate to "succinct", "supported by", and "what was said in thread". I stand by those assessments still, and disagree that the material I used to make them was null. If our opinions on that disagree, it is because our judgement differs, and from what I have seen of yours, it is quite bad. You are still thinking GBT is fake. That's almost tragic.

I've looked at every player, though every lens, many times (which GBT, includes P_A). If I come to a conclusive read, I post it. There is a reason I have not yet posted one on A2/Cabd/MBC/LLD/Firebringer/Shiro; it is because I have not come to a strong conclusion. I feel no need to comment on any them yet. That also means 957 did have me extrapolate on a stronger read. Were I to have a vote, I would be voting Dunnstral. Mariah I don't townread, but I don't scum read as much as the only serious thing I consider scummy is her about face on Dunnstral which was unwarranted.

I find it hypocritical of you that you complain about me "not understanding key" or "forcing Key's behavior in a certain way", which I empathically have not, but even so, you ignore the possibility of him being scum because of it. As far as GBT is concerned I disagree that it's natural to call Dunn/MariaR a town pair and then let them decided in their Pt or the emergence of a scum read on A2 and subsequent reassignment of Cabd as scum. The latter of which is either completely reactive, or you know, fake.

Lastly, what you take for a big show is simply forethought. And for the record I was about 50/50 on Hebi or P_A.

[Firebringer]

you dont feel like a real person this game

i dont know how to word this better but like

in the past your posting hasnt made me lose brain cells this rapidly

If I was acting like a real person it would be to insult you back while you try to antagonize me or something.

I don't care enough to do that and instead of ignoring you or insulting, I just troll you.

It is the only way to keep my sanity.

[RadiantCowbells]

I wish you guys were having fun. Anything I can do to help?

[Firebringer]

I am fine.
It's not like I am not having fun, trust me I am.

I just see player after player either insult my style and write me off completely as useless or annoying or just flat out insult me.
So that annoys me but like I am not going to go out of my way to change people's opinions by playing how they want. That makes me unhappy.

If I have to choose taking the game super serious game where I am out to only win or light hearted game where goal is fun.
I am going to pick second every time now.

I've gone out of my way in many games to take it seriously at the request of other players, and what happens is I get annoyed/frustrated and the game is no fun.

[Dunnstral]

this game has meant only pent up frustration for me since maria accepting dunn's invitation and it's only been getting worse

omg

[Dunnstral]

Considering the change of heart comes right after 1354 I can surmise that you dislike my choice to leave key out, and that's solely why you've changed your mind here. Do you think there are better reasons to have wanted to leave someone else out? If so, who should I have considered and why? Did you find my analysis in 1354 flawed, incorrect, or duplicitous? If so, how so?

No, although the way you treated Key slot was sketchy. I think that your posts are empty and you are just playing the tune people want to hear. I didn't realize until 1354 and then your proposal to Hebichan was just incredibly scummy.

I feel completely unable to articulate myself right now, but essentially what I see in ActionDan is empty reasoning. He talks about me and Penguin in 608 but the there is nothing underneath the surface of his townreads on us - they are thin and propped up by what amounts to theory talk and poetry. The behavior he is reading into is pretty null but he's making it a townread. He is not talking through his reads, he is not looking into the players - he is just reciting pre-formed ideas about why they could be a certain alignment and making his read fit to that. Like in 957 he talks about dunn/mariar and it is just empty words that he does nothing with. Then he talks about Key and it is like, he is just forcing Key's behavior in a certain way and not even trying to make a read or understand Key, he doesn't even scumread them he just wants them to be left out. His proposal to Hebichan was scummy because it was like he always knew he was going to make it but he made a show of being unsure and trying to think through the benefits and disadvantages and his preference and such.

Idk I am not in the mental state for mafia these days.

I judged Key fairly and without prejudice even knowing he was a competitor for a dance spot. Contrary to what GBT is suggesting, I can see his posting through a town lens, as a very reactive townie, but there's a critical thinking gap far too large to ignore, and explainable by him simply being scum. He is decidedly the one that should be left out before the dance.

"Empty reasoning" is a rather empty buzzword even after your attempt to define it, but it's clear that you aren't outright invalidating the reasoning part. My town reads on you and P_A for example are were formed exactly as I said. "Thin", "Propped up", "Theory talk and poetry" I can translate to "succinct", "supported by", and "what was said in thread". I stand by those assessments still, and disagree that the material I used to make them was null. If our opinions on that disagree, it is because our judgement differs, and from what I have seen of yours, it is quite bad. You are still thinking GBT is fake. That's almost tragic.

I've looked at every player, though every lens, many times (which GBT, includes P_A). If I come to a conclusive read, I post it. There is a reason I have not yet posted one on A2/Cabd/MBC/LLD/Firebringer/Shiro; it is because I have not come to a strong conclusion. I feel no need to comment on any them yet. That also means 957 did have me extrapolate on a stronger read. Were I to have a vote, I would be voting Dunnstral. Mariah I don't townread, but I don't scum read as much as the only serious thing I consider scummy is her about face on Dunnstral which was unwarranted.

I find it hypocritical of you that you complain about me "not understanding key" or "forcing Key's behavior in a certain way", which I empathically have not, but even so, you ignore the possibility of him being scum because of it. As far as GBT is concerned I disagree that it's natural to call Dunn/MariaR a town pair and then let them decided in their Pt or the emergence of a scum read on A2 and subsequent reassignment of Cabd as scum. The latter of which is either completely reactive, or you know, fake.

Lastly, what you take for a big show is simply forethought. And for the record I was about 50/50 on Hebi or P_A.

Why would you be voting me?