Mini Normal 1983: Winter Wonderland [Endgame!]

[humaneatingmonkey]

I mean, there are a lot of healthy alternatives that don't involve you reaching.

[humaneatingmonkey]

BuJ and Rem can also be scum here.

[Rem]

How so?

[Rem]

I am kinda curious to see what Intern thinks of my push on him.

[humaneatingmonkey]

your reads are whack and doesn't make sense. and also voting Internecine when there are also a lot of options according to your PoV and the game context. Like me. You don't townread me. I'm not gonna be null here. So I'm not seeing why you choose Internecine over me in the current gamestate. I just see it as derailing UC's wagon (if UC is scum) or parking your vote in a wagon that won't do much so you avoid dealing with UC's lynch (if UC is town)

[Flubbernugget]

Of course you don't think my pushes are good. You're either town which will clout my arguments from your pov, or you're scum creating friction and then blaming it on me.

What's making me back off now is that amidst what's probably 20 pages of just us back and forth, there's people that are willing to wagon you, but want to push into other parts of the player base too. Even in my frustration with how people encourage this kind of screaming for blood/leadership, I still think there's a threshold well past my personal opinion that we're approaching. Bu still needs room to keep hanging himself with his posts, and I still don't really have a third scum read (though I'm more warm of ucv/hop lynches than I was before).

[Hopkirk]

Also 'I have 4 independent scumreads, 3 would work well together/have poor interactions' is really different to 'this is definitely the scumteam so I'm equally happy with killing any of them since they're all definite scum'.

[Rem]

I am not null on Intern I highly believe he is flipping scum this game.
UCV an above average chance to flip scum but not exactly what I want to pursue when I have a real scum read.

My Flubber read makes perfect sense, this really just isn't a scum push. In addition I find Flubber tends to be a lot more passive in the way he pushes people as town from what I've seen and meta I checked from him. (Torque's open game + others) I think my Flubber read is your main issue?

If you town I think it's kinda simplistic to think I am scum because we have different reads.

[Flubbernugget]

"There is a possibility I am wrong about Bu considering Hop and Flub are happy to lynch him on D1 when there's other options, I need more data"

vs

"I'm townreading or leaning everyone except a set of 5 people, and these three people have interactions that make me feel like I have found the scumteam"

These are equal levels of egregiously bad.

The calling the scumteam part only isn't as bad because you can attribute some of it to a trolly tone.

[Rem]

Intern has literally nothing going for him.
His pop ins don't strike me as town pop ins and all he is really doing is coasting.

I kinda just think we should sheep me here.

[Hopkirk]

In relation to Rem's comment above:
Kat has said of at least three seperate scumreads 'this is what I would do, you are not doing it, this makes you scum'. He's intentionally ignoring meta, even after the first time I called him out on it. That's not scumhunting, that's inventing reasons to scumread people.

Intern is UC but worse in every conceivable way.

[Rem]

Since apparently it's unpopular I am going to look at my BuJab read again.
He rolled scum in his first game on site so I'll see what conclusions I can come up with after reading that game.

[humaneatingmonkey]

643 is a town post.
Also I think Bujab is a little too brash here to be scum. I kinda just read his posts and get an uncensored town vibe.

Moz is town via meta i dont want to and am too lazy to get into.
Katy explained it pretty fine.

VOTE: Internecine

Basically when reading his posts it doesn't really feel like he is scum hunting by reading the intent behind posts.
Like it kinda just feels like when he scum reads stuff it is either for no reason or because the posts are bad and that's how scum tend to scum hunt since it's relatively easy to identify posts that are bad but it is pretty hard as scum to go look at a post and explain why the intent of the post means the player is scum.

Like he hasn't actually done any real scum hunting this game, he is more just poking at stuff that is "bad".

Why is DoYouKnow a leading wagon they have 0 alignment indicative posts?

What do you mean by not seeing anything in Bu’s posts? He has a lot of content...?

I did not see anything that would indicate that Bujab is in the informed minority while reading the posts in his iso.

These aren't reads that I disagree with because they're different. These are reads that set me off because I don't see them making sense for you to commit to an opinion of as town.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Rem, you can't see Internecine's play equivocally? Town and scum? Do you really believe it's always scum?

[Flubbernugget]

Since apparently it's unpopular I am going to look at my BuJab read again.
He rolled scum in his first game on site so I'll see what conclusions I can come up with after reading that game.

You seem more concerned with people reactions to your read than the validity of what they're saying.

[Rem]

The last 2 is more me stating a lack of opinion.

Intern is just scum here, he hasn't really done anything substantial outside vote popular wagons and call an arbitrary pool of low posters scum. He's just using the game state to coast and that's the vibe I strongly get while I read his posts.
I wouldn't say a meta read is abnormal in regards to Moz.
And my BuJab read I also think is relatively clear but I am looking at it again when I read that newbie game.

[Hopkirk]

Everything from Bu except 451 seems like it could just be new town. He’s pretty consistent in approach, and reads a bit like he’s just struggling with the amount of content at the start. Bu has moved up to a townread for me.

[Rem]

Rem, you can't see Internecine's play equivocally? Town and scum? Do you really believe it's always scum?

Probably not always it's not like I am incapable of being wrong on a read.
It's just this is how scum post while coasting, I am not scum reading him for coasting it's the way he is doing it that is pinging me especially given the active game state.

[Hopkirk]

Intern really needs a lynch.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I think one scum is pretty likely in {Serg/UC/Schism} btw

This is an opinion that I can see being reasonable

[Rem]

I think one scum is pretty likely in {Serg/UC/Schism} btw

This is an opinion that I can see being reasonable

Those are just the 3 lowest posters at the time.
That is an incredibly easy read to fake and my slot didn't even have any posts at the time.
I wouldn't really say there is any nuance to those reads.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Okay. I don't know what to think of you. I'm going back to DeWay.

[sheepsaysmeep]

nah

pedit yeah what she said

[Rem]

I guess one way I can try and get you to look at this differently is.
Not Mafia and Intern are posting with relatively similar play styles but Not Mafia is pretty town this game.

Like compare the 2 ISOs and see how NM and being impactful while Intern is really just doing nothing.

It's hard for me to explain this read to you when you just don't see it but maybe doing this will help.

[Rem]

maybe doing this will help you see what I see*