Open 708: Pick Your Poison - Game Over

[Flubbernugget]

Penguin Power did not throw shade.

Activity tells are shit, and they will always be shit.

We are out of rvs. Please shut this argument down.

[PenguinPower]

then C equates to a higher than totally random chance that the first post is scum

This is where we disagree. It was a good way to get out of RVS, but this is incorrect. I'm going to leave it at that. kthxbye.

And you are digging and dicking around with it.

I've done none of that.

(and you did throw shade)

And, I didn't.

Why Maxous over Moneybags?
Do you have no opinion on how Moneybags has interacted with both the push on you and Maxous?

Because I wanted an answer to the question from Maxous?

[Flubbernugget]

VOTE: maxous

Town leans pls

[Maxous]

Looking at in in ISO I look forward to these leans being described.

really.

i thought moneybags in particular has some good early-game posts.
> he's clarifying thoughts on all the situations
> playing devil's advocate to multiple people
> while not pushing any lynch agendas

what more do you want.

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I don't think scum!Moz dismisses your argument as town-town.

[HeWhoSwims]

Yeah, I like Moneybags too so far. Questioning is good especially to get the game rolling.

What did you mean by "I'm not reading" if I may ask...? PP said something about the back end of the site which he was working on, that's a viable reason to be online during the start, no? I didn't feel there was any other clarification as to why he was online and as I said I don't think posting early is necessarily AI.

[Flubbernugget]

I made a good vote

[Thor665]

I don't see a difference in saying that vs making a comment on you going at penguin's throat. Which at this point is more clearly an interrogation and not a push for a lynch.

CLearly we are not communicating functionally - here's the timeline as I understand it with my question restated for clarity;

You: Thor is pushing for low hanging fruit, amirite?
Me: If you think that, why aren't you coming at me over it? I think you're looking for support before getting behind something.
You: Because you may not be scum, for instance, look at Beefeater's thing too - maybe you're town.
Me: Then why call me out and not Beefeater at the same time?
You: I did call out Beefeater.

So to clarify/reask my question;

Initially you *did not* call out Beefeater's actions. You only called out mine in a scummy light.
Why do that if you also had questions about Beefeater/didn't really think I was scummy for what I was doing?
Walk me through the whole thought process if you can.

Penguin Power did not throw shade.

Activity tells are Smurf, and they will always be Smurf.

We are out of rvs. Please shut this argument down.

Yes he did.
No they aren't.

Okay - let's start a new conversation - how about any reads at all from you?

And you are digging and dicking around with it.

I've done none of that.

I look at your iso and see a lot of defense/attack posts based around my case on you.
If that's not dicking around with it in your opinion feel free to replace dicking with whatever word you care to - my point holds as factual.

Because I wanted an answer to the question from Maxous?

And had no interest in Moneybags at all?
Or do you consider the Maxous answer as needing to be vetted prior to Moneybags?

Looking at in in ISO I look forward to these leans being described.

really.

i thought moneybags in particular has some good early-game posts.
> he's clarifying thoughts on all the situations
> playing devil's advocate to multiple people
> while not pushing any lynch agendas

what more do you want.

Well, what "more" I want would be an answer to what I asked.
Your reads on Penguin and Call.
I didn't ask about Moneybags.

[Flubbernugget]

You should surely be able to tell I think maxous is scum.

You're null.

Whoever first brought up the timing thing is probably town-ish.

Penguin will be scum if all they can do is continue to argue with you

[Thor665]

Penguin will be scum if all they can do is continue to argue with you

Penguin will be scum unless he posts a smilie in his next post.

[CultOfAthena]

While I don't support your vote, I fully support what you have created.

Hm?

....sorry, is Thor's argument 'pp was online when the thread started = scum?'.

Tbf, pp's defense against this not being 'email alerts for pms' is also pretty weak.

I assume im being trolled with money's response to me.

What's weak about PP's explanation being mod duties, to you? Like, if the actual explanation

isn't

email alerts, would you expect PP to make that defense?

Hey all.

VOTE: Flubbernugget

I have a couple of town leans already I think

VOTE: Maxous
This looks like a blatant attempt to look like you're scum hunting without actually doing anything.

A blatant attempt? That's a pretty serious accusation for a passing comment. What's blatantly fraudulent about that?

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The only person I've played with here before is mozamis, who so far seems fairly similar to our previous game.

I like how Thor focused on, or rather engaged with multiple people and dislike how PP primarily focused just on Thor.

If moneybags is scum, I doubt PP is.

I don't really see much that's scummy about Maxous. It's a weak read but from his first post I'd be inclined to say he's more likely town. It shows more concern for sorting people than for fitting in.

[Klick]

I had reads skimming through this, but I'm not around for very long. I'll prolly post something in the next 2ish hours?

UNVOTE:

[TesXX]

Official Vote Count 1.1

Maxous

(3): texcat, PenguinPower, Flubbernugget

PenguinPower

(2): CultOfAthena, Thor665

Thor665

(2): Bellaphant, Beefster

HeWhoSwims

(1): mozamis

Beefster

(1): Maxous

Not Voting

(3): Moneybags, ErrantParabola, HeWhoSwims, Klick

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2018-01-24 20:00:56)

[Beefster]

I've never liked it when a player goes after another for a non-game related reason. I'm not entirely sure if it's a scum tell or not, but it's page 2, so I don't really care.

What about my reasoning isn't game related exactly?
It's timing and activity and behavior - that's all game related last I checked.

You're case is built around Penguin's status as a queue moderator. I don't think that's very sportsmanlike and reeks of typical garbage reasons used by scum.

[Beefster]

VOTE: maxous

Town leans pls

This looks a bit opportunistic to me.

[Beefster]

moz, penguin, thor town. P.O.E ahoy!

thor looks town. whether he is right or wrong about penguin, he is game solving.

Meh, it's too early to tell. This is how Thor plays either alignment.

well, sounds like you know his meta and i dont. still, it's ballsy for scum and this early in the game, i'm inclined to say more likely to be town than scum.

Hi everyone, let's make it a good game and good luck!

VOTE: Thor665

this is my least favourite post. bit self conscious?
VOTE: hewhoswims

These posts look like newbscum, but mozamis is obviously no newb.

I'll have to think more about this.

[Beefster]

uhh real mountain out of a molehill here guys.

I agree with this sentiment.

[Beefster]

I guess I lean scum on Flubber and Thor.

I lean town on Maxous and Penguin.

I'm null on everyone else. For now. It's too early to tell much.

[Flubbernugget]

Penguin will be scum if all they can do is continue to argue with you

Penguin will be scum unless he posts a smilie in his next post.

You're better than fallacious analogies

[Flubbernugget]

VOTE: maxous

Town leans pls

This looks a bit opportunistic to me.

Wagons get the game going

[PenguinPower]

> while not pushing any lynch agendas

Not pushing anything makes him a town lean? Why?

I made a good vote

Agreed.

I made a good vote

Agreed.

Penguin will be scum unless he posts a smilie in his next post.

Hm?

Already covered with my skittle battle post. Didn't play out the way I wanted it to, unfortunately...so...fell short.

I like how Thor focused on, or rather engaged with multiple people and dislike how PP primarily focused just on Thor.

Noted. In the future, I won't focus on the aggressive guy pushing me. Oh...wait...no. That's a bad idea. Next time, maybe in your two posts, you can put a bit more reasoning behind your statements. For example:

If moneybags is scum, I doubt PP is.

Why?

This looks a bit opportunistic to me.

Disagree.

[Klick]

I really like mozamis for town so far. He's not inserting himself largely into the initial pushes, but he seems to be giving where he's genuinely leaning. If he's scum, he's setting up very early to have this clear fake mindset on minute details unrelated to the main pushes - and I find that fairly unlikely. Essentially he's going out of his way to give these smaller reads in a way I don't think scum would bother with this early, and it just gives me genuine vibes all around. So he's in my town list for now.

I dislike Penguin's initial approach to the game but I can't say anything he's done makes me lean one way or another, so I don't feel comfortable with my vote there.

uhh real mountain out of a molehill here guys.

i just felt Athena and Penguin were a bit towny in the first couple of posts. I didn't mention names because i wanted to avoid the Q&A but it happened anyway.

I have more solid town leans on Moneybags and Mozamis by this stage.

This post throws me off. It feels as though Maxous is trying to shrug everything off and dissuade the line of discussion as much as he can, posting everything necessary to get the heat off of him, as though checking through a list.

We are out of rvs. Please shut this argument down.

These two statements seem contradictory.

....sorry, is Thor's argument 'pp was online when the thread started = scum?'.

Tbf, pp's defense against this not being 'email alerts for pms' is also pretty weak.

I assume im being trolled with money's response to me.

This bothers me. You're throwing a generally negative view out on the whole situation you're observing and avoiding committing to a side. It feels like content for the sake of putting content out there while drawing as little attention to yourself as possible.


VOTE: Bellaphant
This is where I feel most comfortable leaving my vote, and I encourage others to join me.

[PenguinPower]

Meant to hit preview...hope the formatting worked out.

[Flubbernugget]

Klick, riddle me this:

Why is shutting down one argument going to put us back in RVS? Thor explicitly said he started the argument for the sake of ending rvs. He then wriggled a scum read into the argument. How do you feel about that?

[Flubbernugget]

Bella votes are pro town atm

[Klick]

I'm not necessarily saying it would put us back into RVS. I feel as though completely shutting down the line of discussion Thor created would do nothing but stifle our chances of getting actual leads. I do agree that Thor's activity argument for Penguin-scum is weak and probably won't be useful for much longer, but it's something. He's getting -somewhere- with his discussion, which is better than a decent portion of the player list so far.

I'm not going to claim I can read Thor right now, because I can't. I think he's still playing the way he would play either alignment and will continue to do so for some time. He's someone I'll look into later on.