Open 708: Pick Your Poison - Game Over

[Klick]

Thor and/or RC, could you help me get the answer I want from Transcend, since he is very blatantly ignoring me?

[mozamis]

As a disclaimer I realize I'm probably reading way more into this than I should be. I just personally really think he's incredibly... "raw" as town. So raw it couldn't be faked without a lot of intentional, tactile planning.

yeah i have been accused of this in this in the past - "moz is erratic", "all over the shop" "raw".
And yet, game after game, I am MVP. So chew on that
(more seriously, i think its a playstyle thing - i cant abide tunnelling, so i tend to throw my vote around, get reactions, and P.O.E from there). You have to break eggs to make an omlette...
Try and keep up

[mozamis]

it's like i dont understand people - cult calls me all over the shop, and yet the only game she saw me in, i nailed 2 out of 4 scum early on, and was very close to Cyfly until he fooled me with his "please lynch me speel".
I think a lot of people value style over substance. Personally, I'm more interestee in anailing scum than being "consistent" and looking good.
tl;dr - I rule

[mozamis]

possibly i could preview my posts more lol

[mozamis]

VOTE: ErrantParabola

I think this is probably the best lynch right now.

christ, do you want to lynch someone or not?
sure i could do errant, but what happened to beef?

[mozamis]

But why are we not continuing on Beef? Why switch to EP? I don't see why you think there is a difference. I don't see why you and Trans would just back off Beef at the last second. I think we should flip Beef and see how it goes instead of trying to switch wagons at the last second.

exactly. ep is just another lurker lynch.
beef is more likely to flip scum.

[Klick]

VOTE: ErrantParabola

[Thor665]

I don't think we'll ever see 2 night kills. We'll never be sure.

I'm talking about Flubber, not Transcend.

Thor and/or RC, could you help me get the answer I want from Transcend, since he is very blatantly ignoring me?

If he's ignoring you - that's your answer. Now it's back to you to react to his response.

[Moneybags]

I don't think we'll ever see 2 night kills. We'll never be sure.

I'm talking about Flubber, not Transcend.

Sorry, that was meant as a follow up to the other post I had just made. Your's got sandwitched in between.

I want to also say that I'd be willing to fold and go with a flub lynch because I feel like that's the only other one that will get us answers. EP or tex won't give us anything. They're lurkers, they have minimal interactions with everyone else. We won't get a lot if they're scum and even less if they're town.

[Thor665]

I actually think denigrating a lurker flip is anti-town. They're really actually just as good as the so-called "info flips" people tout.
That said, vote Flubber, I like that thought.

[Klick]

It's difficult to react. Because claiming vig makes no sense as scum, and he's claiming desire to shoot me and I don't understand his reasoning. I feel like I'm locked out of the game because someone replaced into the game with a gun and decided to shoot me and ignore all my posts.

[Moneybags]

I actually think denigrating a lurker flip is anti-town. They're really actually just as good as the so-called "info flips" people tout.
That said, vote Flubber, I like that thought.

How so? If EP flips town and we have 1 NK, where does that leave us?

[Flubbernugget]

For those keeping track.
Yes, Flubber is still ducking answering the question.
You'd think he'd answer it just to undercut me at this point since he claims to think I'm scum.
But he won't, because then he'd have to reveal that the case is empty and he's scum.

I'm not ducking your question. I told you I misunderstood your question as a rhetorical statement, and then took your word that my meta recollection of you was misrembered.

Are you arguing that I was correct on your meta this whole time?

No, you're flapping your arms and making a shit fucking case that, if wasn't shit, would only be pointing at a small point of my play, which is not how you find scum.

[Flubbernugget]

I'm against lynching for information considering the alternative is to lynch to hit scum

[Beefster]

I just think it's really strange to see both RC and trans 180 off beef at the last second. I think his yes vote me routine may be a hail Mary. At this point I'm just a raving conspiracy theorist and I want to flip beef yo get some kind of definitive answer.

I wasn't really expecting it to have that effect. I think who has voted me and who has defended me might be telling though. I'm the ultimate lynch bait. Though, with that said, that really only applies to votes/defenses before my "hail Mary" as you called it.

If, by some freak chance, I'm spot on about the scumteam, all they have to do is paint me as a raving lunatic to discredit my dying words. At the same time, it seems like it would be rare for scum to be all on the same mislynch wagon. Last finished game I was scum in, there was never more than one of us on the winning wagon each day. So I'm probably overestimating the usefulness of my own flip.

Sorry, I wish I had more to contribute.

[Beefster]

RC's switch to EP looks like it might be an attempt at towncred or a fear of my flip. I may have made it a little too damning to throw a vote at me. Oops. Flailed a little too hard.

[Beefster]

But why are we not continuing on Beef? Why switch to EP? I don't see why you think there is a difference. I don't see why you and Trans would just back off Beef at the last second. I think we should flip Beef and see how it goes instead of trying to switch wagons at the last second.

exactly. ep is just another lurker lynch.
beef is more likely to flip scum.

I promise you there is a 0% chance I will flip scum.

[Beefster]

Beefster's reevaluation doesn't look natural

What re-evaluation?

Moneybags has these really strange tone inconsistencies where he goes from 100% literal and calm to awkward tinges of sarcasm and I'm suspicious of it, but can't pin a motivation to it atm.

I see that too. Moneybags really confuses me.

[Transcend]

i dont think beef (:

he gotto L-1 who was on his lynch
somone fetch that for me (:

[RadiantCowbells]

RC's switch to EP looks like it might be an attempt at towncred or a fear of my flip. I may have made it a little too damning to throw a vote at me. Oops. Flailed a little too hard.

If you think that if I were scum I would be at all afraid of lynching you then you need to chill the fuck out.

[Transcend]

fetch me who was on te beef lync tat's not flipping scum

[Klick]

I

could

do that... Hmm... If only I had some motivation...

[Moneybags]

UNVOTE:

[Thor665]

It's difficult to react. Because claiming vig makes no sense as scum, and he's claiming desire to shoot me and I don't understand his reasoning. I feel like I'm locked out of the game because someone replaced into the game with a gun and decided to shoot me and ignore all my posts.

Well, if you believe he's the Vig then the only answer is that you, as town, should do what you can to express your reads clearly and push for a functional scum lynch.
Of course that's what any town player should do all the time regardless.
I don't see why the threat even matters, personally.

I actually think denigrating a lurker flip is anti-town. They're really actually just as good as the so-called "info flips" people tout.
That said, vote Flubber, I like that thought.

How so? If EP flips town and we have 1 NK, where does that leave us?

Allow me to reverse the question because what I'm arguing is a little different then a claim that a town flip is good info; let's say we lynch someone you think is a "good info" lynch and they flip town - where does *that* leave us that we wouldn't also be able to apply to an EP town flip?
Because I'm pretty sure all we get is the ol' "we know their reads were honest" which is meaningless because it doesn't then advance their reads as good.
And the ol' 'those who pushed thema nd defended them we can analyze' which we can do for anyone, because lurking doesn't prevent people from pushing or defending a slot.
What else is there for the "info lynch"?

For those keeping track.
Yes, Flubber is still ducking answering the question.
You'd think he'd answer it just to undercut me at this point since he claims to think I'm scum.
But he won't, because then he'd have to reveal that the case is empty and he's scum.

I'm not ducking your question. I told you I misunderstood your question as a rhetorical statement, and then took your word that my meta recollection of you was misrembered.

Are you arguing that I was correct on your meta this whole time?

No, you're flapping your arms and making a Smurf Smurfing case that, if wasn't Smurf, would only be pointing at a small point of my play, which is not how you find scum.

I have never indicated in any way shape or form that I agreed with your meta read.
I have repeatedly indicated I thought your reads were made up and asked you to back them up.
I agree it's a small thing - which is why your inability/refusal to provide it is a big thing.

Please prove you weren't lying to try to call me scum in a scummy way.
Any century now?

[Transcend]

Well, if you believe he's the Vig then the only answer is that you, as town, should do what you can to express your reads clearly and push for a functional scum lynch.
Of course that's what any town player should do all the time regardless.
I don't see why the threat even matters, personally.