Mini Normal 1983: Winter Wonderland [Endgame!]

[Hopkirk]

Did you look through VCs?

[Hopkirk]

^screw you sheep.

[Mathdino]

Like, Hopkirk, if I knew you were town, then yeah Fire/N_M would be the obvious call.

If it's not that, it's Fire/Flubber.

Like normally id think this is a pocket post for Dino to hop but I think they are just scum
And a lot of Dino posts feel Pockety

Help Scum Bus is a good motto motto.

I'm okay with pocketing scum as long as it means I can get the right lynch. A lot of LyLos end up that way for me.

What you're reading as pockety is the fact that I fundamentally treat small gamestates like this politically. I need to think about the votes I need to get in order to get this lynch.

And if you're unwilling to vote N_M right now, and scum is willing to bus him, I'm fine with that. At that point it's just katy/Flubber/HEM that I need to convince.

My (biased) interpretation is that Hopkirk doesn't think he can win a 1v1 with me, so he's scrambling to make the Fire lynch plausible after N_M potentially goes down today. He's distancing himself from N_M by openly not including me in possible scumteams.

[Firebringer]

Yeah so it’s Sheep/Dino/Hop confirmed now

Where u been

[Hopkirk]

Hang on, I'm the one who would have shot Intern N1 if i was scum.

[Hopkirk]

@Dino: thoughts on this?

Go read my case on sheep not being scum with Fire. sheep's attitude toward the two of their slots has been wildly different.

It's hard for me to prove that to a theoretical town-you because the case is based around sheep treating you and N_M similarly, and Flubber and Fire similarly.

sheep was setting them up for mislynch, not you.

1- Why are you positive Sheep would treat him scumteam the same?
2- I disagree that they're as different as you are saying. Sheep makes light/meaingless comments on both and essential null reads both.

Also @Dino: Fire/Ser/NM are never under any pressure. Sheep is free to say what he likes about them since nobody is paying attention to those slots given the much bigger issues going on. What he does say is minor at best.

[sheepsaysmeep]

can we lynch town yet

[Firebringer]

Like, Hopkirk, if I knew you were town, then yeah Fire/N_M would be the obvious call.

If it's not that, it's Fire/Flubber.

Like normally id think this is a pocket post for Dino to hop but I think they are just scum
And a lot of Dino posts feel Pockety

Help Scum Bus is a good motto motto.

I'm okay with pocketing scum as long as it means I can get the right lynch. A lot of LyLos end up that way for me.

What you're reading as pockety is the fact that I fundamentally treat small gamestates like this politically. I need to think about the votes I need to get in order to get this lynch.

And if you're unwilling to vote N_M right now, and scum is willing to bus him, I'm fine with that. At that point it's just katy/Flubber/HEM that I need to convince.

My (biased) interpretation is that Hopkirk doesn't think he can win a 1v1 with me, so he's scrambling to make the Fire lynch plausible after N_M potentially goes down today. He's distancing himself from N_M by openly not including me in possible scumteams.

See now this post feels like ur trying to pocket me
U playing politics and not telling us what u really think makes me def think ur playing all sides and being scum keeping options open and siding with whoever wins and doesn’t lynch u

[Mathdino]

Then you're scumreading me on playstyle, and you know better than to do that.

I often think like scum in LyLo. I share "needing to not get lynched" (although scum can definitely get lynched and still win) and "needing to lynch specific people".

Notice that I'm not considering lynching you today, and my interaction with Hopkirk in no way indicates that. N_M or sheep is our lynch. N_M being the least convincing scum to you guys, and sheep being conf. Hopkirk is a middle of the road lynch and idk why we'd do that today.

I'm open to anything that involves someone in that scumteam lynched though.

tl;dr: You've shown how it's consistent with scum motivation but not how it's inconsistent with town motivation. From my perspective, I've solved the game. Now it's just politics.

[Hopkirk]

There is no town motivation from Fire or Serg.

[Mathdino]

I'm not reading this based off of either ISO because I recognise that I'm barely able to read them. I'm solving this based on sheep's scumclaim and ISO.

[Firebringer]

What

[Katyusha]

There is no town motivation from Fire or Serg.

This is a sweeping statement that’s absolutely untrue!

When i’m back I’m going to be asking math and hop a lot of questions so hang tight

[sheepsaysmeep]

hi kat

[Hopkirk]

Serg makes minor pushes at 5 confirmed town (from both our perspectives), ignores NM/Sheep, and subs out.

[sheepsaysmeep]

can yall kill this thread again

[Hopkirk]

I'm not reading this based off of either ISO because I recognise that I'm barely able to read them. I'm solving this based on sheep's scumclaim and ISO.

Why would you only consider how Sheep treats them but not how they treat Sheep...

[Firebringer]

I'm not reading this based off of either ISO because I recognise that I'm barely able to read them. I'm solving this based on sheep's scumclaim and ISO.

When has this been a thing?

[Hopkirk]

@Kat: btw I sleep normal hours in GMT/

[Mathdino]

There is no town motivation from Fire or Serg.

This is a sweeping statement that’s absolutely untrue!

When i’m back I’m going to be asking math and hop a lot of questions so hang tight

You still have questions for Hopkirk?
If you legitimately think there's a chance of him still being town, then the scumteam is STILL including Not_Mafia.

Serg makes minor pushes at 5 confirmed town (from both our perspectives), ignores NM/Sheep, and subs out.

You're ignoring the part where idc about Serg/Fire's ISOs cuz I don't expect to be able to read them for shit.

Edit: Because I've played with sheep and I expect him and his associations to be much easier to read than just trying to determine who's scummier out of 3 people in a game I wasn't a part of?

[Firebringer]

I'm not reading this based off of either ISO because I recognise that I'm barely able to read them. I'm solving this based on sheep's scumclaim and ISO.

When has this been a thing?

[Mathdino]

I'm not reading this based off of either ISO because I recognise that I'm barely able to read them. I'm solving this based on sheep's scumclaim and ISO.

When has this been a thing?

When have I claimed to be able to read you? I also literally don't know Sergtacos or Hopkirk.

All of my cases have been all sheep interactions. I don't know when it wasn't a thing.

[Firebringer]

You’ve never claimed to read me but this first time I’ve heard u say you can’t and or aren’t gonna try

[Hopkirk]

@Dino: thoughts on this?

Go read my case on sheep not being scum with Fire. sheep's attitude toward the two of their slots has been wildly different.

It's hard for me to prove that to a theoretical town-you because the case is based around sheep treating you and N_M similarly, and Flubber and Fire similarly.

sheep was setting them up for mislynch, not you.

1- Why are you positive Sheep would treat him scumteam the same?
2- I disagree that they're as different as you are saying. Sheep makes light/meaingless comments on both and essential null reads both.

Also @Dino: Fire/Ser/NM are never under any pressure. Sheep is free to say what he likes about them since nobody is paying attention to those slots given the much bigger issues going on. What he does say is minor at best.

I feel like you're not engaging with me because you're conf.biased here. You haven't explained why Scum-Sheep needs to treat his partners in a specific way when they're not under any suspicious all game. He has no incentive to do that.

[Hopkirk]

Sleeping.