Open 708: Pick Your Poison - Game Over

[texcat]

We're going to lynch Ep, Tex, or Moz today.
All have viable cases and associations against them.
So, unless you literally town read all three, what the hell is with this counterwagon experiment at this stage?
Get your vote back to a viable wagon,

present your case

, we'll discuss it tomorrow after flips.
Don't make me regret arguing you into a town pile today by adding more distractions to this herd of cats.

The only part of this I agreed with was the part I bolded. Didn't you ask EP 'Where's the fire?' I think we should see Klick's case. Klick and CofA are both on the possible scum list. It could definitely help clarify things.

It's *exactly* long winded PoE.
And PoE is *exactly* scumhunting. Do you have some PoE to share or analysis of our PoE?

I agree I shut down a proposed alternate wagon - do you have a read on that?

I agree that if you just complain about lack of new developments that no new developments except those started by others will happen.

I agree that you are acting like things are stagnant and your only available choice is to sheep RC/my PoE...I want you to know I find that a scummy thought process to extrovert.
I find most of that post kind of scummy, at the very least it's a lot of claims of external loci of control, which I don't cotton to much.

I'm going to tell you again that your PoE was wrong. You should NOT eliminate Klick. I even showed you where your one cherry-picked post from Klick to show that he was town, looked scummy to me.
I did notice that you eliminated yourself which, of course, makes sense from your pov. And I had you in the town column until you started this push on me.

176 doesn't make a lot of sense as buddy interaction to my mind - as a quick rebuttal to the texcat lynch today.

What made you change your mind from this other cherry-picked quote?

And shutting down alternate wagons is anti-town. Just look what happened yesterday. HWS was not a wagon until the 11th hour. I realize that you, like your namesake, like to hammer us cats into compliance. But town is aware when the deadline is. Town knows how to herd themselves onto a viable lynch in the end. We don't need your hammer to herd us.

I notice that EP and Moz were both agreeable to a lynch in your pool, but I am not. I will not vote for EP, Moz, or myself.

[mozamis]

Completely happy with Tex.
VOTE: texcat

[texcat]

The case on Beefster

VOTE: CultOfAthena

Let's try something completely different.

Early on there was this odd vote out of the blue on CoA. I'm sure it was meant to deflect the conversation. At the time Bella was discussing scum reads on Max and Flick, but perhaps it was something earlier. And what's worse is that when Money asked about it, Beefster quickly switched back to Flubber, saying

The flubber wagon felt stale at the time, but it seems to be picking up momentum. She's been pinging my scumdar. She feels very methodical/mechanical in her posts.

VOTE: Flubber

I am still suspicious of COA.

Pfft. I had my reasons. I just didn't feel like expressing them at the time. In my big reads post, I had her as null. (she was initially town before I posted my reads) I described her as "good questions. not much else" and after a couple more of her posts, it just solidified that her posts have been methodical and perhaps a little deceptive or misdirecting. I don't know if I can point to any particular post or line.

I haven't really been paying super close attention. I was juggling 2 other games with AGDQ.

I didn't realize that Beef's not paying attention defense started this early.

At this point, I don't think it's possible for me to start from square one. My gut just seems to be pushing me in this weird direction.

I still think there is scum in RC, COA, and moz. Maybe all 3.

But you know what? I volunteer as tribute! Lynch me when you feel like it. I will flip Vanilla Town and my death will give a surprising amount of information.

Look, I've been playing very badly. I'm probably the town's biggest liability and yet a handful of players have defended my apparently scummy play. Thing is, scum probably wouldn't do that. They're going to go after the scummiest-looking players and

only

defend that sort of thing on their scum partners. Those who have defended my "scummiest" moments are probably town.

If this looks like a scum gambit to you, all the more reason to throw your vote at me. You'll see I have

no tricks up my sleeve

. I'm more valuable to the town dead because it confirms my alignment. Unless someone actually claims scum for some bizarre reason, I concede to being the best lynch option.

Will my accusations carry more weight after I'm confirmed town from a lynch? That remains to be seen, but my hope is "yes"

I can't read this any way except as a hail mary from a caught scum at L-1. I just don't see it coming from town.

I need to read Beef closer I guess. He's throwing me for a loop. Should do the same for Klick. COA needs to reply but I think I saw she did further down the thread. No big fan of recent tex posts either.

oooo I like 622. That's a catch on Beef copying. That's certainly suspicious.

Maxous. What are your arguments for not voting Beefster? What did you think of what Coa said in 622?

And yes I was in that game as scum. Finished 2 days ago. Interestingly Beef was one of my scumpartners actually. But you and most others here have certainly also rolled scum, no?

HWS laying the groundwork for bussing Beef? Along with a plea to Max to make the town case on Beef?

Tbh I think Scum!Mozamis is the piece that everyone's missing

FWIW, I saw that like 5 pages ago. At least.

VOTE: mozamis

I could see moneyscum

Buddying RC. (Blatantly )

HWS has flip-flopped on me so much that I don't think he could be scum. Even with players as confusing as I have apparently been, scum is generally going to try to stick with one story and not deviate from it. At least not suddenly. He has also contributed meaningfully to the conversation.

He's also playing quite a bit differently from the last time I was scum with him. As with all meta reads, take it with a grain of salt, especially since HWS is a new player and is likely to have learned from past play.

This could be Beef's hail mary to prevent his scummate's lynch.

EP ISO analysis

General:
EP pretty much just ignored HWS the entire game up to this point.
Opportunistic on #252 vote on Max
Admits to not reading on #1175. Could be an attempt at looking more town.

This is interesting...and damning in my book. Beef accuses EP of attempting to look town by admitting to not reading. Isn't that exactly what Beef himself has done the entire game? Look through his ISO; you'll be surprised how many times he says he's not paying attention or he's not reading closely or he's perhaps confused.

[Thor665]

Also, klick's vanity wagon is doing Smurf all, as he has done all game.

Again, if you are town reading klick, please talk about why.

Well, if you think Tex is scum then maybe he's town because he immediately gave up on the vanity wagon when I noted it was a vanity wagon and voted Tex again while not going to Moz?
You're complaining about something that's already done.

@Tex - you're complaining that I'm turning a case on a single post and then also complaining that I've shifted from turning a case on a single post.
I mean, even a short answer to your complaint of me dropping 176 could be 'changed my mind' so I don't get your boggle.

Texcat and Moz wagons are basically being all the same people.
Not fond of how Beef and Moz are running silent right now.

@RC - currently starting to legit favor Moz flip over Tex flip. Where are you at?

[Flubbernugget]

Cool now that Thor's answered twice, the rest of the town can say something on it.

If the whole town is scum reading klick and the wagons/cw's are all somewhere else the town should be ashamed of themselves. I don't think that's the case, and I take issue with my scum reads flying under the radar.

[RadiantCowbells]

I am not scumreading Klick

[Flubbernugget]

Oh, ep has answered too. I'll have to follow up on that

[Maxous]

Alright we have 2 days left.
I actually have a lot of time early tomorrow so I'll get on this.

Wasn't Texcat a counter-wagon to HWS anyway?
Not sure it's the best lynch even from a gaming point of view unless you have something REALLY solid

[RadiantCowbells]

Alright we have 2 days left.
I actually have a lot of time early tomorrow so I'll get on this.

Wasn't Texcat a counter-wagon to HWS anyway?
Not sure it's the best lynch even from a gaming point of view unless you have something REALLY solid

Weren't you leading on them before cutie?

[Maxous]

Who Texcat?
I've really cooled off on that.

EP or Moz atm

[RadiantCowbells]

I actually think it's Tex/Maxous rn

[RadiantCowbells]

I will still submit to CoA's voting in our next game even though arguably I shouldn't have to since I don't think her EP read is right either
obviously if it is I would anyway

VOTE: Texcat

[RadiantCowbells]

UNVOTE:

Okay my reads have solidified enough: let's actually do some talking but I want this to be the lynch today.

Anyone has any questions for me fire away

[Klick]

My main reason for liking the tex wagon over the moz wagon at this point is that I think tex will basically always be a lynch option until she's finally lynched. I think moz has potential to not be a lynch option at some point.

[RadiantCowbells]

My main reason for liking the tex wagon over the moz wagon at this point is that I think tex will basically always be a lynch option until she's finally lynched. I think moz has potential to not be a lynch option at some point.

Klick, can I get a full readslist?

Who do you think is most likely to be scum as opposed to that?

[TesXX]

I will still submit to CoA's voting in our next game even though arguably I shouldn't have to since I don't think her EP read is right either
obviously if it is I would anyway

VOTE: Texcat

UNVOTE:

Okay my reads have solidified enough: let's actually do some talking but I want this to be the lynch today.

Anyone has any questions for me fire away

Sorry a hammer is a hammer. Locking the thread.

[TesXX]

Vote count 2.FINAL

texcat

(6): Thor665, Errantparabola, Klick, Flubbernugget, mozamis, RadiantCowbells

mozamis

(2): Beefster, Maxous

Errantparabola

(1): CultOfAthena

Beefster

(1): texcat

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2018-02-08 18:26:35)


Has curiosity killed the cat?
Nope, it was poison. She was a

Mafia Goon

.[/align]

[TesXX]

Night 2 has started!

Deadline for night actions is in (expired on 2018-02-08 18:30:17)

[TesXX]

RadiantCowbells died last night. He was a

Town Tracker

.
Who's ready for cyanide?

hehehehehehehe

Day 3 begins

deadline for lynching in (expired on 2018-02-22 18:44:22)

[Errantparabola]

ready to go 3 for 3, team?

[Klick]

Beef and Thor are rather obvious town based on interactions with the flipped scum.

VOTE: CultOfAthena

[Errantparabola]

The case

[mozamis]

whoa easy Klick.
could be cult. what about Max though.
Ep looked much more town end of day.

[mozamis]

but yeah, beef and thor are town

[mozamis]

has cult been on any relevant wagons all game?