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Post Post #200 (ISO) » Fri Feb 23, 2018 7:24 am

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In post 190, InfernoBrafin wrote:
Inferno:

In post 177, Iconeum wrote:I prefer to not answer that question at this time.
Wut
Why are you not answering, Iconeum?

@acyron: I still think it could be TvT. Town has the ability to scumread other town members. That's not unheard of. I still think that the entrance exchange just wasn't was too realistic to be scum.
I'm a little confused by this question; it seems to be looking to put me in a hole that isn't there.
I was interested to see what would make you think that Icon vs. Beefster was specifically TvT and not TvS, especially since you didn't necessarily have a townread on Beefster specifically.
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wut
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I do not agree on Beef.
Question, and this goes back to my (no pun-intended) beef with hydras. How is anyone expected to read your slot if you are offering up conflicting reads that we can't call scummy because they came from two different people?
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Post Post #201 (ISO) » Fri Feb 23, 2018 7:27 am

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In post 179, Mathdino wrote:Tbh, I'm nervous to go after Marangal so soon because if we open that floodgate now it's never gonna close. Our playstyles don't mesh so well. I should be able to sort her by associations later on though.
Is that why you are more or less limiting your interaction with me?

What are you making of the IB wagon building within the day?

What are you making of the fact that I feel pretty lock-steppy with you?
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Post Post #202 (ISO) » Fri Feb 23, 2018 7:31 am

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Buju also said there are to many lurkers.

How can there have been when this game is only two days old if even?
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Post Post #203 (ISO) » Fri Feb 23, 2018 7:31 am

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In post 200, acryon wrote:
In post 190, InfernoBrafin wrote:
Inferno:

In post 177, Iconeum wrote:I prefer to not answer that question at this time.
Wut
Why are you not answering, Iconeum?

@acyron: I still think it could be TvT. Town has the ability to scumread other town members. That's not unheard of. I still think that the entrance exchange just wasn't was too realistic to be scum.
I'm a little confused by this question; it seems to be looking to put me in a hole that isn't there.
I was interested to see what would make you think that Icon vs. Beefster was specifically TvT and not TvS, especially since you didn't necessarily have a townread on Beefster specifically.
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wut
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I do not agree on Beef.
Question, and this goes back to my (no pun-intended) beef with hydras. How is anyone expected to read your slot if you are offering up conflicting reads that we can't call scummy because they came from two different people?
Brafin:

Why is two people having conflicting reads scummy?
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Post Post #204 (ISO) » Fri Feb 23, 2018 7:32 am

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In post 202, Momrangal wrote:Buju also said there are to many lurkers.

How can there have been when this game is only two days old if even?
Brafin:

This is an interesting point, one I had not considered. Isn't Lurking = NAI?
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Post Post #205 (ISO) » Fri Feb 23, 2018 8:32 am

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In post 203, InfernoBrafin wrote: Why is two people having conflicting reads scummy?
That's exactly my point. Two people having conflicting reads is not scummy. If
one
person had conflicting reads, we can question that slot because that's fairly scummy. In your case, because you are two people, we can't question that, making you more or less unreadable because we don't know what your slot really believes.
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Post Post #206 (ISO) » Fri Feb 23, 2018 8:42 am

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IB my first vote on you was a gut reaction to your opening posts. You sounded like a robot. That is a scum tell because people sound like robots when they are trying to not convey any emotion.

I am well aware that I cannot go through the entire game with my first read but you haven't really done much since that makes me change my mind. You claim you read my ISO. How do you miss that? You can think my reasoning is weak and argue against it but you can't say I didn't give a reason when I did.
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Post Post #207 (ISO) » Fri Feb 23, 2018 8:43 am

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And trust me, I am not interested in having a discussion about hydras themselves.

But if we had a slot being played by someone with severe schizophrenia as the reason for their majorly conflicting reads, surely you could understand how a slot like that would be problematic for town?
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Post Post #208 (ISO) » Fri Feb 23, 2018 8:44 am

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In post 197, BuJaber wrote:but him overly explaining and arguing about something insignificant is actually a personality trait.
I lol'd

Yeah I'm not continuing that debate

Fucking lol when players link me wiki pages in the middle of mafia games

Yo IB check out Slayers Gambit for a wiki page on a strategy that doesn't work

It's about being intentionally scummy early game to get reactions
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Post Post #209 (ISO) » Fri Feb 23, 2018 8:50 am

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In post 204, InfernoBrafin wrote:
In post 202, Momrangal wrote:Buju also said there are to many lurkers.

How can there have been when this game is only two days old if even?
Brafin:

This is an interesting point, one I had not considered. Isn't Lurking = NAI?

Sure but my point was that given the game started and there is plenty of things to talk about and posts to get reads from I would expect when there are 4-5 lurkers in a 12 player game one of them would have to be doing it on purpose.
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Post Post #210 (ISO) » Fri Feb 23, 2018 8:52 am

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In post 206, BuJaber wrote:IB my first vote on you was a gut reaction to your opening posts. You sounded like a robot. That is a scum tell because people sound like robots when they are trying to not convey any emotion.
Dammit man why'd ya have to spoil the secret :lol:

Fwiw I agree with this, and noticed it early game, but I don't believe roboticness is a real scumtell, so I ignored it
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Post Post #211 (ISO) » Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:03 am

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In post 193, TheGoldenParadox wrote:Mathdino is town. I will literally quit mafiascum if math is scum here.
Effortpost tommorrow, too tired today.
Wow huh did I actually roll into my first game with scum Paradox

Also I'm basically down to policy lynch brafin at this point

They're never getting NKd if their reads include gems like
- BuJaber getting annoyed at BJ is alignment indicative
- Beefster scumslipped by saying TW and I share alignment
- Beefsterscum purposefully took an RVS vote as serious for ~reasons~
- Either I think IB is a jester or I'm admitting I'm scum
Hey IB I guess I'm scum
- Mathdino is scum for being defencive
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Post Post #212 (ISO) » Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:40 am

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Inferno:

In post 208, Mathdino wrote:
In post 197, BuJaber wrote:but him overly explaining and arguing about something insignificant is actually a personality trait.
I lol'd

Yeah I'm not continuing that debate

Fucking lol when players link me wiki pages in the middle of mafia games

Yo IB check out Slayers Gambit for a wiki page on a strategy that doesn't work

It's about being intentionally scummy early game to get reactions
First, off, that wiki page was defining the term "Scummy." Don't attempt to blow it off with that response because it's not the same thing and you know it.
Second, I have done run a successful Slayer's Gambit, albeit unknowingly. Did my first game on the site. And that's not what I'm doing here. Stop shading corn.
In post 211, Mathdino wrote:
In post 193, TheGoldenParadox wrote:Mathdino is town. I will literally quit mafiascum if math is scum here.
Effortpost tommorrow, too tired today.
Wow huh did I actually roll into my first game with scum Paradox

Also I'm basically down to policy lynch brafin at this point

They're never getting NKd if their reads include gems like
- BuJaber getting annoyed at BJ is alignment indicative
- Beefster scumslipped by saying TW and I share alignment
- Beefsterscum purposefully took an RVS vote as serious for ~reasons~
- Either I think IB is a jester or I'm admitting I'm scum
Hey IB I guess I'm scum
- Mathdino is scum for being defencive
These first two are major misreps. Where did I ever say that Bu getting annoyed by that or Beefster's shared read on you and Worst was AI? Ever? BU was jus tme confused by how agressive the response I got seemed, and the second was literally me just asking questions. I'm not sure how to respond to the rest of this, but I'm going to read back thorugh to see where it comes from. Either way, what you are saying here is really bad.
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Post Post #213 (ISO) » Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:44 am

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In post 212, InfernoBrafin wrote:Second, I have done run a successful Slayer's Gambit, albeit unknowingly. Did my first game on the site. And that's not what I'm doing here. Stop shading corn.
great, let's policy lynch this
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Post Post #214 (ISO) » Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:07 am

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When did you ever advocate for PLs?
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Post Post #215 (ISO) » Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:16 am

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when i came back and lost my first game since my hiatus to scum that i was trying to policy lynch for all of D1
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Post Post #216 (ISO) » Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:18 am

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In post 201, Momrangal wrote:
In post 179, Mathdino wrote:Tbh, I'm nervous to go after Marangal so soon because if we open that floodgate now it's never gonna close. Our playstyles don't mesh so well. I should be able to sort her by associations later on though.
Is that why you are more or less limiting your interaction with me?

What are you making of the IB wagon building within the day?

What are you making of the fact that I feel pretty lock-steppy with you?
1. basically yeah
i have little incentive to sort you right now

2. seems fine, most of it is town for independent reasons
if there's non-town on it it's bujaber
i think i said that already

3. i make nothing of it
i say fewer dumb things and have had better reads since i came back
so maybe great minds think alike, idk
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Post Post #217 (ISO) » Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:02 am

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Post Post #218 (ISO) » Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:41 am

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In post 200, acryon wrote:In post 196, InfernoBrafin wrote:
Inferno:
wut
the heck
Brafin, you're gathering information on your own partner's read?
I do not agree on Beef.

Question, and this goes back to my (no pun-intended) beef with hydras. How is anyone expected to read your slot if you are offering up conflicting reads that we can't call scummy because they came from two different people?
Considering the progression I'm sticking with my scumread. If anything the hydraness has made it worse for me.

> one head presents as scum
> we call it out
> head suddenly ejects from conversation
> other head acts towny

I need to go through the posts since I went to sleep but I can see scum-hydra here easily.
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Post Post #219 (ISO) » Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:43 am

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In post 187, Momrangal wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.urband ... m&amp=true

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Post Post #220 (ISO) » Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:46 am

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In post 190, InfernoBrafin wrote:Inferno:

In post 177, Iconeum wrote:
I prefer to not answer that question at this time.

Wut
Why are you not answering, Iconeum?
Does it bother you that he didn't answer me? Why/why not?
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Post Post #221 (ISO) » Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:56 am

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Brafin:

First, @Mathdino:
A) Why did you just say something to one line of the post? Ignoring everything else looks like you're trying to avoid points that you simply can't counter.
B) It's funny that you bring up Slayer's Gambit specifically. I don't think that was coincidence. I think you've read Inferno's Meta and knowingly chose that gambit, or are using it because that's what you believe he's doing here. Well, this is just 'Ferno's playstyle; messy and aggressive, while I like to ask questions and feel out scum most of the time.

Inferno:

In response to point A above, it feels to me like the way you are responding in this exchange is in attempt to force a policy lynch on us without really having anything to back it up. PL describes the lynch of a player who is not found to be particularly scummy, but because the player's bad play will hurt the town later on.
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So what you've done is turn what you're saying about my play from "This is scum" to "this is not scum, but bad and hurtful town play." Which 1) you're already scumreading us, so why are you trying to policy lynch us, and 2) It's an incredibly AoP move on only half a hydra.
Also, when I mention that game, I was not trying to use Slayer's Gambit, in fact I had never heard of it. I simply got lucky in the fact that I used it and drew out scum. My point is not that I used it, but that you're using the "The wiki meta is crap" defense to ignore my reasoning, which is that your use of scummy is not supported by the meta.

Brafin:

Second (Still at Mathdino): #216 feels really weird and fabricated to me. It's coming off as short and kind of almost skirting the questions, but not really doing so.
Third:
Mathdino wrote:
In post 193, TheGoldenParadox wrote:Mathdino is town. I will literally quit mafiascum if math is scum here.
Effortpost tommorrow, too tired today.
Wow huh did I actually roll into my first game with scum Paradox

Also I'm basically down to policy lynch brafin at this point

They're never getting NKd if their reads include gems like
- BuJaber getting annoyed at BJ is alignment indicative
Not true

- Beefster scumslipped by saying TW and I share alignment
I have no idea what you're talking about. What post are you referencing?

- Beefsterscum purposefully took an RVS vote as serious for ~reasons~
That doesn't strike you as even a little weird? It was an obvious joke post?

- Either I think IB is a jester or I'm admitting I'm scum
Inferno just clued me in. More below.

Hey IB I guess I'm scum
- Mathdino is scum for being defensive
It's not your defensiveness that pings me, it's how bad your defense actually is. It feels like you're looking for a way to cover up a bad scumread.

Inferno: Beyond this, I've already mentioned how massively misrepresentative the first two are. Nowhere have I said those are AI.
Inferno:
For point 3, it occurred to me another reason to play scummy: you're a PR trying to avoid the NK. But no matter how you spin this, there's no way for you to call our play intentionally scummy and not also call us town. Why would scum play intentionally scummy?
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Post Post #222 (ISO) » Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:57 am

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In post 220, the worst wrote:
In post 190, InfernoBrafin wrote:Inferno:

In post 177, Iconeum wrote:
I prefer to not answer that question at this time.

Wut
Why are you not answering, Iconeum?
Does it bother you that he didn't answer me? Why/why not?
Inferno:
Yeah. The way he did it makes me feel like he's avoiding something. But the way you responded to him earlier also makes me feel like you were avoiding something.
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Post Post #223 (ISO) » Fri Feb 23, 2018 12:04 pm

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In post 193, TheGoldenParadox wrote:Mathdino is town. I will literally quit mafiascum if math is scum here.
Effortpost tommorrow, too tired today.
I MISSED THIS
It feels like the probability of town saying this so confidently is pretty low. Other than that though I like Paradox so treat this as a FOS
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Post Post #224 (ISO) » Fri Feb 23, 2018 12:08 pm

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In post 222, InfernoBrafin wrote:
In post 220, the worst wrote:
In post 190, InfernoBrafin wrote:Inferno:

In post 177, Iconeum wrote:
I prefer to not answer that question at this time.

Wut
Why are you not answering, Iconeum?
Does it bother you that he didn't answer me? Why/why not?
Inferno:
Yeah. The way he did it makes me feel like he's avoiding something. But the way you responded to him earlier also makes me feel like you were avoiding something.
Which response of mine did you have questions about? :] genuinely not sure.

More interestingly: Ico was definitely avoiding something. Do you think that was town motivated or scum motivated?
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