Mini 1993 - Earthbound Mafia: Giygas' Curse - GAME OVER

[Gamma Emerald]

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[BuJaber]

@Mom - No I am acknowledging that you

could

be town. And if I am gonna lose a 1v1 I'd rather not lose it to another townie.

So by asking you to not tunnel you either end up a) letting go or b) you continue to push for my lynch.
If b) and you're town that's the worst case scenario and after the game it'd probably be a good idea for me to go back and analyse what happened.

If b) and you're scum one of us gets lynched. If it's you that's great and if it's me people would be a little more inclined to lynch you next and so it'd be a 1 for 1 trade.

If a) and you're town we can be more productive and perhaps catch an actual scum

If a) and you're scum I admit I wouldn't really know what would happen. I might end up townreading you and that'd be bad or I might think you're buddying me and I'd catch you but at the very least we'd both be posting more about other people and that's good for town anyway.

More importantly though regardless of whether or not you continue to scumread me by asking you this I get more information about your pov that I can use to sort you better and/or we can find another player we are both willing to lynch. The interesting part is that since we are scumreading each other then if we lynch someone else we both agree on and that player flips town, the most likely explanation is that one of us is scum. So town will know who to lynch.

And if the player flips scum it is likely we are both town.

This is because if two townies with a widely different approach or views about what is scummy and what isn't are both scumreading someone that person is probably scum as he would have checked off more 'scumtells' than anyone we could have independently scumread.

And if it's TvS between us it is unlikely that whichever one of us is scum would be buddying up to the player they've more or less been single-handedly going after and butting heads with. It would look too weird. Thus the scum would not point at a scum partner to gain credit in this scenario and instead would lynch one of the other townies. We'd get lynched after. That means one scum dead in 2 or 3 lynches max. Hopefully if it takes 3 lyncges the town would get the associations right and finish the scum off.

So I reckon it'd be a win for town in most of these scenarios.

[acryon]

For the record Almost50, it has not escaped my notice that you haven't engaged my posts.

I've learned the hard way that once you're on a roll there's no changing your mind about it. I don't have the time or the energy to go back on forth with you on your reads.

I'd be content with an acryon lynch today and we can wait for the night action to give us more clues. acryon happens to be my top SR and I see that we agree on that, so that's fair and I don't feel motivated to consume much effort elsewhere on D1 tbh.

Seems like the only issue you've had with me is 16, which you seem to have held onto. We're both town. Look somewhere else.

[BuJaber]

For the record Almost50, it has not escaped my notice that you haven't engaged my posts.

I've learned the hard way that once you're on a roll there's no changing your mind about it. I don't have the time or the energy to go back on forth with you on your reads.

I'd be content with an acryon lynch today and we can wait for the night action to give us more clues. acryon happens to be my top SR and I see that we agree on that, so that's fair and I don't feel motivated to consume much effort elsewhere on D1 tbh.

Seems like the only issue you've had with me is 16, which you seem to have held onto. We're both town. Look somewhere else.

Or if you're town he's scum.
In fact if you're town it makes a lot of sense that he'd be scum.

Who else apart from you would be relatively easy to lynch that almost50 could vote for without putting much effort into explaining why?

[acryon]

For the record Almost50, it has not escaped my notice that you haven't engaged my posts.

I've learned the hard way that once you're on a roll there's no changing your mind about it. I don't have the time or the energy to go back on forth with you on your reads.

I'd be content with an acryon lynch today and we can wait for the night action to give us more clues. acryon happens to be my top SR and I see that we agree on that, so that's fair and I don't feel motivated to consume much effort elsewhere on D1 tbh.

Seems like the only issue you've had with me is 16, which you seem to have held onto. We're both town. Look somewhere else.

Or if you're town he's scum.
In fact if you're town it makes a lot of sense that he'd be scum.

Who else apart from you would be relatively easy to lynch that almost50 could vote for without putting much effort into explaining why?

The problem is apart from his willingness to vote me, I really like the rest of his posts. He genuinely seems to be trying to figure out the game. I'm not sure why there are multiple people that are just willing to vote me without much of a reason it seems. I have never once considered that I'd be lynchbait in a game, but this day one has been weird in that it seems to have made me lynchbait.

[BuJaber]

Does that include LUV's posts?

Also what about his inconsistency with dino?
Dino goes from a townread to a scumread (even though he doesn't say it explicitly) because of just one thing he did? One which doesn't even seem that scummy. And then he's just "willing to let dino live"?

While we're talking about him is it normal for almost50 to quote and respond to his own question? It pinged me the first time but I didn't want to form an opinion on just that and I've since focused on other slots but reading his ISO again now I noticed it again.

[the worst]

UNVOTE:
1. Mastina feels towny.
2. If this is scum!Mastina I need to think a LOT deeper.

[the worst]

VOTE: Iconeum

[acryon]

Does that include LUV's posts?

Also what about his inconsistency with dino?
Dino goes from a townread to a scumread (even though he doesn't say it explicitly) because of just one thing he did? One which doesn't even seem that scummy. And then he's just "willing to let dino live"?

While we're talking about him is it normal for almost50 to quote and respond to his own question? It pinged me the first time but I didn't want to form an opinion on just that and I've since focused on other slots but reading his ISO again now I noticed it again.

Yes. I liked LUV for the most part, although there wasn't much there.

FWIW, I don't think

anyone

knows how to play Dino right now. If you look at how people are handling him, everyone is in a pretty weird place I think. Even personally, I had him as a strong town-read but he's moved firmly to the middle for me.

I'm not sure what to make of that response to his own question. Maybe just not paying total attention, although that's likely NAI.

VOTE: Iconeum

If this wagon will get more traction than Beefster, I'm happy to vote Icon.

[Almost50]

@Almost50, what do you think about carrot's read on MD? You had him as (top?)town.

I had Dino pegged as Town, yes, but certainly not the "top" TR. He's done a couple of things that made me reconsider, but then I realized he could very well be acting differently bc the circumstances are not the same, and thus I want him to have some time and room to move so I can get a better read on him.

Mastina is just Mastina. She sees something she doesn't like and she pursues that case and God help whomever is the target of that case, regardless of their alignment. She would play this exact way regardless of her alignment.

However, so far I haven't seen a sign of Scum!Mastina. There's at least one scumtell of hers that I am very well aware of, and that doesn't seem to exist in here.

Suffice it to say I'm town leaning both slots, but I have yet to see a confirmation on either through their current play, but neither have given me any scumtells either.

[the worst]

I agree with that, I think my natural bias against authoritarian figures reacted poorly to C&S' opening. I don't feel comfortable sorting Math or C&S today either but I think maybe both town maybe?

Why does it need more traction?



pedit: A50 too quick lemme read that

[the worst]

Ah. Great minds

[acryon]

I agree with that, I think my natural bias against authoritarian figures reacted poorly to C&S' opening. I don't feel comfortable sorting Math or C&S today either but I think maybe both town maybe?

Why does it need more traction?

Because at this point in the day, I don't want my vote sitting on a futile wagon, especially when my pull is so low.

[Almost50]

Dino goes from a townread to a scumread (even though he doesn't say it explicitly)

So you're a mind reader too?? GREAT!

Why don't you ask Dino himself if I ever said I SR him, whether explicitly or implicitly?

What I said is I had an explicit TR on him when I first subbed in, but later on I had a couple of reservations that didn't feel like what I'm used to from Town!him, yet I can very well understand that this is not the environment I'm used to seeing him play in either.

I have not voted, pushed or even agreed to someone else's push on Dino, and -if anything- I could be accused of actually soft-defending him or maybe seesawing or something because I don't want to lynch him today.

@Matina: This is an example of why I don't like BuJaber, and I don't see the town motive behind him inventing reads that I neither stated nor implied and attributing them to me in a manner that looks very much like mud-slinging.

However, I can see the potential of a scum motive there. If I'm wrong and acryon is actually town then BuJ is trying to convince him to SR another townie who has been pushing him, so that when acryon flips it'd be easier for BuJ and his team to push on me next.

The one thing I can actually deduce is that acryon and BuJaber are not scum together.

P.S. Come on, Gamma! Post a VC, PLEASE!

[BuJaber]

i'd say it's 40% policy 40% reaction/pressure 20% memes

Umm.. so am I allowed to drive or not after having that??

@Math: Did you include Gamma deliberately in your reads? Hmmm.. probably not. I hadn't even joined the game by then so it can't be that you are baiting me.

But still, man.. you know THAT is why I SR'd srceen in the game you were modding, so excuse me if I'm starting to really be wary of you.

fuck i mixed up my games lol

GDI! And same excuse too. Now why would you confuse ONLY ONE SLOT and not any other(s)??

Also Screenplay was town, lol.

I know he was, but that's not my point. The point is when I saw that the first thing that jumped into my mind is "Dino is setting this test for me, because he saw what I did with srceen, so he wants to see how I would react here..", but then I realized I was not yet in this game by the time you posted that.

And it's still scummy, mate. Evidently it's not exactly "hard evidence" as I thought it was when I pushed srceen, but still including the MOD in your read list is suspicious unless you make it clear you were joking.

But I will accept your explanation for now.. I know I almost posted in the wrong game thread many times before for similar reasons.

I think I'm willing to let Dino live for today. Forcing him into defense + The IB issue aren't helping me get a read on him at all.

That said, it's be a farce if all three turned out to be Town, and scum were just watching in amusement. Of the 3 I'd say Mastina comes off townier followed by Dino, while I still have doubts about the IB slot (basically Inferno, which may or may not be just me not liking the play style.)

@Inferno: Can you please remind me of the last game we played together? I mean, I know I've played you before but can't remember anything about it.

How is this not implying you were scumreading him at some point? You don't even go back to a townread.. the last thing you land on is a null read.

[BuJaber]

That's not even the point.

The point was why is acryon TR'ing you.
Do you think you've done/said enough to be townread?

[Almost50]

Do you think you've done/said enough to be townread?

I dunno. Do you?

I don't go like "I'll post this because it makes me townread". I just post my thoughts regardless.

Also, does "I will accept your explanation for now" imply I'm SRing Dino? I don't care how YOU perceive my play/talk. I said to ask Dino himself if he thought I was SRing him. He knows me better, and he is the subject of the this discussion.

[Momrangal]

My Buj SR is dying

[Momrangal]

VOTE: Acrayon

[Mathdino]

I'm entirely unsatisfied with acryon's response to me in about 5 different ways.

If anyone actually gives a shit about why, I'll explain it in full.

I'm annoyed about people writing off mastina as incredibly town by tone. You're seriously underestimating mastina's scumgame in doing that, and if and when I get NK'd (wouldn't be surprised if I was NK'd for being right) and if acryon flips town,

mastina needs to die before LyLo

. I can't emphasise that enough. She will 100% have the best argument in LyLo regardless of her alignment, and I don't want to just gamble the game on which side she's on. If you're feeling nice, let her choose the LyLo lynch.

VOTE: acryon

Next up in this game is a meta-dive to go nullify some tells and see what happens.

[the worst]

I'm entirely unsatisfied with acryon's response to me in about 5 different ways.

If anyone actually gives a shit about why, I'll explain it in full.

I'm very interested

[Beefster]

We're not policy lynching a PR claim D1.

I think that would be everyone. IIRC, this was supposed to be a role madness game.

[Mathdino]

We're not policy lynching a PR claim D1.

I think that would be everyone. IIRC, this was supposed to be a role madness game.

LMAO

GJ beefster

BRB checking the queue

No one claim VT to disprove this, role madness games tend to have occasional VTs

[Mathdino]

AHAHAHA
Yeah this is role madness. Everyone's been crumbing PR, gg.

[Beefster]

I'm annoyed about people writing off mastina as incredibly town by tone. You're seriously underestimating mastina's scumgame in doing that, and if and when I get NK'd (wouldn't be surprised if I was NK'd for being right) and if acryon flips town,

mastina needs to die before LyLo

. I can't emphasise that enough. She will 100% have the best argument in LyLo regardless of her alignment, and I don't want to just gamble the game on which side she's on. If you're feeling nice, let her choose the LyLo lynch.

I'm fine with this, but she needs to die by vig if she shows no signs of being scum.