Mini 1993 - Earthbound Mafia: Giygas' Curse - GAME OVER

[Iconeum]

I need information about the gladiate ability, is it inherintly scum, town, or NAI?

[BuJaber]

Icon what do you suggest we do if he is indeed scum gladiator? We dont't have a choice and I don't see how he would be lying about gladiator.

So between you and math it'll always be you. Like I said I really want math to survive until lylo because then he'd be auto lynch at that point. Obviously with his claim that's not gonna happen anymore, but his claim makes him even worse for a lynch.

And frankly acryon made a plausible case of why you are scum. But unfortunately since you were widely townread your lynch gives us nothing.

If we somehow can lynch acryon I still want to.

[Iconeum]

That doesn't make sense. Why would my claim not change who to lynch?
Also, if you admit my lynch gives nothing, it's super weird you still chose me.

[Mathdino]

@Icon: In a role madness game, probably everything is NAI. Hell I just got out of a game with a scum compulsive bodyguard on a townie with the ability to suicide.
As in, the scum player was forced to protect that townie every night, and couldn't perform the NK.
And the townie was able to kill themselves (in exchange for powers) and not die because they were protected.
That said, that was a completely crazy game and I don't see precedent for Gamma doing that kind of shit, so I dunno. Gladiator seems too powerful in the hands of scum, assuming 10:3.

@Bujaber: I was never gonna survive until LyLo anyway, regardless of whether I claimed. I honestly wouldn't have agreed to your deal though if I were a VT
Jeez, I spent the whole game thinking almost everyone else was a VT.

Agreed on still wanting to lynch acryon tbh.

[Iconeum]

If you think the gladiator claim is town, why would you be down with a revenge-vigshot on acryon?

[BuJaber]

That doesn't make sense. Why would my claim not change who to lynch?
Also, if you admit my lynch gives nothing, it's super weird you still chose me.

Don't understand the first question.

Your lynch gives nothing if town but you're still more likely to be scum than MD even if by a little.

[acryon]

lol @ golden, nice skimming.

acryon, what information do you hope to get from my lynch?

What information do we hope to get from any lynch? Ideally you'll flip scum. If not, we still get information based on how people interacted with you.

[Mathdino]

If you think the gladiator claim is town, why would you be down with a revenge-vigshot on acryon?

YEAHHH I'LL SHOW HIM
GET VIGGED, SON

Is basically what was going on in my head. Retaliatory policy vig.

Idk, my scumread of him isn't gonna dissipate because I'm forced not to lynch him. But when it comes down to it, if you ask me to solely evaluate on setup spec, I'd say you'd need a pretty powerful town to justify having scum that completely arrests town's ability to lynch that day. Like that's an almost broken mechanic (as is gladiation in general) that is functionally equivalent, in my mind, to a scum beloved princess, or a double/triple kill.

[Mathdino]

And still wanting to lynch acryon is also a retaliatory policy lynch for the record.

I don't think, if I were less emotional rn, that I would seriously advocate for, for example, a dayvig on him.

[acryon]

FWIW, I also think my read on you wouldn't have pushed me to Gladiate you if I weren't feeling so frustrated. So apologies for that

[Iconeum]

VOTE: mathdino

[Mathdino]

Well, shit happens. Stuff like this is why day abilities are probably worse for town than night abilities. Night gives the ability to change up with some distance from the events of the day.

I 100% would've dayvigged IB back there on multiple occasions if I had the ability. mastina, not so much, because a townflip there would 100% get me to L-1/claim

So Icon and I both flip town, as do you probably eventually. Who's scum?

[Iconeum]

My time (irl - lol) is running out today. Don't lynch me until I, eh, claim.

[Iconeum]

Though this is an easy choice to lynch MD over me. There's a divided playerlist over his slot, while I'm still overall townread. Lynching MD gives a much better start of D2 in any case.

[acryon]

Well, shit happens. Stuff like this is why day abilities are probably worse for town than night abilities. Night gives the ability to change up with some distance from the events of the day.

I 100% would've dayvigged IB back there on multiple occasions if I had the ability. mastina, not so much, because a townflip there would 100% get me to L-1/claim

So Icon and I both flip town, as do you probably eventually. Who's scum?

IF both you and Icon flip town, which does feel like a pretty big if to me, then I think Beefster is scum, as well as potentially BuJ. Golden actually feels

more

town to me after that last post, because I can't imagine scum paying that little attention, although I suppose anything is possible. Just based on PoE at that point, I could then see someone like Momrangal as a dark horse for scum.

[Mathdino]

Your vote 100% makes sense from your perspective, and I didn't really expect you to hold course on the "rolling over and dying" plan.

I just want everyone to understand that if I don't get lynched here, there's basically a 0% chance I don't die at night, given that I'll be actively trying to every single night. Unless Iconeum is a significantly higher utility role than me (which I'm open to hearing), my staying alive provides

1. An extra night if we get a powerful PR claim, and/or a guaranteed night for claimed investigatives assuming scum don't have a roleblocker.

2. Good reads and activity if I actually make it through the night.

3. Peace of mind if you think Icon could legitimately be scum here? Like, it's easy to autolynch me at or before LyLo if I'm still alive because that means I'm pretty clearly not a bodyguard, but it's hard to decide what to do if Icon ends up still alive later on.

[Mathdino]

I'd actually like to advocate for lynching A50 tomorrow, who I feel has been ignored as a slot by most of the playerlist.

I'm REALLY not helping my case for "not getting myself flipped" here, but a scumread's a scumread.

[Iconeum]

@Icon: In a role madness game, probably everything is NAI. Hell I just got out of a game with a scum compulsive bodyguard on a townie with the ability to suicide.

You make such a strong case here.

[Iconeum]

I see now where the name 'gladiate' comes from.

[BuJaber]

I haven't like LUV anyway.
I am even more sure that at least one lurker is scum now after these claims. It explains the weird trajectory of the day. You leave town to their own devices enough and everyone becomes shady.

Icon was widely townread because he is not a danger to scum. Ie he is scum. This is how my brain is solving this little puzzle.

Also because if acryon is indeed town then he can't be completely wrong on everything.

I never actually asked though.. acryon beef and I are you scumreads but do you think we're a team? Because that's crazy how does your brain even rationalize it.

[acryon]

I haven't like LUV anyway.
I am even more sure that at least one lurker is scum now after these claims. It explains the weird trajectory of the day. You leave town to their own devices enough and everyone becomes shady.

Icon was widely townread because he is not a danger to scum. Ie he is scum. This is how my brain is solving this little puzzle.

Also because if acryon is indeed town then he can't be completely wrong on everything.

I never actually asked though.. acryon beef and I are you scumreads but do you think we're a team? Because that's crazy how does your brain even rationalize it.

A chunk of my slight scumread on you comes from PoE and my overall inability to read you super well. I think it is

possible

you and Beef are scum together, although unlikely.

[Mathdino]

God, I wanna do The Talk to Icon and explain how it's just a bad idea to lynch me in so many ways, but I'd would be and am doing the same thing as Icon here.

Gladiating a townread sucks.

I'm aware that there's a possibility of scum bodyguard, and there's a 100% chance mastina comes in here with a wall about how role =/= alignment. I get it. My argument isn't that my role clears me as town; my argument is that my role is self-resolving. Either I pick right (and I often do predict the NK pretty well) and die, or somewhere down the line a PR that can wreck scum comes up and I die. OR scum NK me to try to WIFOM the question of "DID SCUM KILL MATHDINO OR THE PERSON MATH WAS PROTECTING" which is always a fun discussion.

Point is, while I'm not confirmed town yet, I will be once I die, and if I don't die, fuck me up.

@Bujaber: I fundamentally disagree with the assertion that acryon can't be wrong on everything
His reads have been particularly self-centred this game, which I guess you could argue I'm guilty of as well, but it is what it is.

[acryon]

@Bujaber: I fundamentally disagree with the assertion that acryon can't be wrong on everything

My wife would agree with this.

[Momrangal]

Wakes up

Sees a few pages

Sees a Gladiate

Is now leaving.

[Not_Mafia]

Wtf is happening