Mini Normal 1988 (Endgame)

[Nero Cain]

I just have a smidge over 150 posts. Just might think that you might have something more than gut on day 4.

[StefanB]

Havo:
The situation at the moment is that we are lynching Christopher, but want to give you time to get your ideas out. So this is why the game is stalling at the moment.

[Havo]

Havo:
The situation at the moment is that we are lynching Christopher, but want to give you time to get your ideas out. So this is why the game is stalling at the moment.

Ok thanks.

I’ll get it done today then.

[havingfitz]

I'd also be pretty surprised if they both did turn out to be scum.

Why?

Seems too convenient to me that two lurky types would be scum together. I think it's probably one of them and one of you and Stefan. But I'm happy to sort Christopher and Lalendra first.

Well Nero seems to disagree with the Christopher half of your "feel".

I do? I've ISOed him and given my thoughts. I could see him flip town since doing/saying scummy things=//=scum 100% of the time.

My comment was based solely on the fact you hadn't hammered...I didn't go back to see what your actual read might be.

[Havo]

Okay. I’m caught up.

So based on my analysis of VC plus Bujabar interactions this is where I’m at.

Most likely scum - Chris
Next most likely scum - StefanB, Lalendra

Most likely town - Mulch,
Leaning town - Nero, Fitz

[Havo]

VOTE: chris

I’m good being here at the moment.

[Havo]

This flip will be very revealing info wise.

[Not Known 15]

Vote Count 4.6

Havo(0)

StefanB(1) Christopher,

Christopher(4) StefanB, Lalendra, Mulch, Havo

havingfitz(0)

Nero Cain(0)

Lalendra(0)

Mulch(0)

No Lynch(0)

Not Voting(2): Nero Cain, havingfitz,

With 7 alive it is 4 to lynch.

Day 4 ends.

[Not Known 15]

Christopher has been lynched. They were:

Spoiler:

Mafia Goon

You are a Mafia Goon.
Role:Vanilla. You have no special abilities.
Alignment:Mafia. You have your voice, your vote, access to the factional PT [redacted] and your factional kill
The mafia consists of:[redacted]
You win when you gain majority or nothing can stop this from happening.

Game ends.

Mulch,

Spoiler:

Town 1-shot Rolecop

You are a Town 1-shot Rolecop
Role:1-shot Rolecop. At night, once per game, you may investigate the role of a player
Alignment:Town. You have your voice and your vote. You win when all threats to the town are eliminated or nothing can stop this from happening.

StefanB, Havo, havingfitz, Lalendra, Nero Cain,

Spoiler:

Vanilla Townie

You are a vanilla townie.
Role:Vanilla. You have no special abilities.
Alignment:Town. You have your voice and your vote. You win when all threats to the town are eliminated or nothing can stop this from happening.

survive to endgame.

Town wins.

Mod PT
Spoiled dead PT
Unspoiled dead town PT

[StefanB]

So 2 goons against 3 x-shot + situatiational Powerroles makes sense.
(Had this hope but didn't state it.

[Archwing]

Yay! Gj town.

Mulch/Roy guilty really helped put this game away

[Archwing]

Moz Sorry for the death tunnel

[Nerd Complex]

Setup is missing a scum

[Lalendra]

Yay!!

I'm confused that there's only 2 scum but I'll take the win lol

[Archwing]

Normal reviewers (i think) are trying to counter the high scum win rates lately. (again, speculation) this either means loading on town power or reducing scum power. I think the only "true" guilty in the setup actually managed to happen here. and then there was a day 5 mod confirmed town, which is kinda not much power at all. I think this game could have gone differently had that guilty not happened.

Also, I'm sure there was some paranoia in the scumteam thinking there was either an SK or second scum team.

[Christopher]

I'm sorry I dropped the ball here! Too much IRL stuff to keep up with my defense.

[BuJaber]

Can't townread the lurking unfortunately.

Felt I did okay not associating with leon/chris.

Pedit - we were pretty sure there was an anti-town out there

[havingfitz]

Wow...didn't even consider 2 scum.

This game was painful lol...glad it ended quicker than I expected and in a town win.

Cheers all around.

[Not Known 15]

I am not really happy how I handled the request from mulch and the follow up.


The Neapolitan was really strong in this vanilla-heavy setup. Maybe 1 shot would have been better.

Splitting the dead thread was a mistake, I won't repeat it.

Mafia got really unlucky night-actions wise.
It was also not good for Mafia that the slightly suspicious people had all the power roles.

[BuJaber]

The issue with the setup isn't that town is overly powerful. I am pretty sure this result would not happen more than once in 100 simulations of the game. (It basically required both power roles to survive until they both used it on a scum AND required that mulch tunnel on the result that should have cleared me). So no that's not powerful.

But assume 2 goons vs 11 VT's. Is that balanced? I don't really know much about balancing but it sure feels townsided. So when you add power roles to that it's a slam dunk.

Not only that but the fact that town thought there were 3 goons actually helped them. I'm sure the decision to lynch chris would have been a lot harder if they knew only 1 scum left.

[StefanB]

I think it helped greatly that the scumpool was pretty reduced.
Mulch, Roy and Sephiroth(Thanks for the investigation, that really helped) came from primesuspects to confirmed town.
I townread Fitz and Nero (Fitz initialy on day 3 more) and couldn't belive in that scumteam.
So that left Christopher and Lal.
Lal was interesting. I wavered from okay that could be a confused townie to WTF.
Christopher looked like the one who was easier to me.
And I was very afraid of the Nero/Fitz/me Endgame...

[havingfitz]

the decision to lynch chris would have been a lot harder if they knew only 1 scum left.

Easier. More room for error.

[Lalendra]

Lal was interesting. I wavered from okay that could be a confused townie to WTF.

My entire MS life summed up in one sentence.

[BuJaber]

Well who gets what role is gonna affect the outcome of every game. I'm trying to keep that out of the setup speculation.

(There will always be people who are naturally scumread more than townread, so if they receive PR's it helps town.. can't blame the setup designer for that)

[Havo]

Cool. Lol.

Pop in, hammer scum, win game!

This replace in stuff is pretty sweet.