Mini 821 - A Death in the Family - Game Over
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I think at this point there are two people who definitely shouldn't be voted today, and that's Flava and Santos.
Flava: Raivann's claim makes Flava look good. If Raivann really is weak doctor, I feel like Flava is nearly confirmed. (Unless scum were provided safe claims)
Santos: As already explained, if Raivann is scum Santos probably isn't (Raivann wouldn't risk outing himself if Santos ends up getting lynched). If Raivann isn't scum then Santos is definitely town.
That leaves, in my perspective, Juls, Sho, Francis, Raivann.
Raivann could very well be lying about his claim, and was trying to match it to Flava's theme. He could have picked a townie from his confirmed list. Also, the fact that Raivann didn't immediately clear Flava after his claim is a little worrisome. He should have felt pretty good about Flava's claim knowing his own role was a similar "weak" one. Claiming newb defense isn't exactly the best defense in the world either.
Francis's vote to start off the game seemed to have good intentions. He had a clear plan and reason why he chose Zilla. Pro-town points for that. He's asked a lot of good questions since then, and I think he's town.
Sho... I have a gut feeling that Sho may be scum. I don't have a lot of a read as far as poor logic goes, but the way Sho is posting is a little scummy. I'll have to dedicate a post to looking over his posts in isolation later.
Juls: The only problem I had with Juls was her comment on trying to draw out a counter claim. Other than that, she's seemed pretty pro-town.
My guess at the scumteam: Sho/Raivann.
Flava: Raivann's claim makes Flava look good. If Raivann really is weak doctor, I feel like Flava is nearly confirmed. (Unless scum were provided safe claims)
Santos: As already explained, if Raivann is scum Santos probably isn't (Raivann wouldn't risk outing himself if Santos ends up getting lynched). If Raivann isn't scum then Santos is definitely town.
That leaves, in my perspective, Juls, Sho, Francis, Raivann.
Raivann could very well be lying about his claim, and was trying to match it to Flava's theme. He could have picked a townie from his confirmed list. Also, the fact that Raivann didn't immediately clear Flava after his claim is a little worrisome. He should have felt pretty good about Flava's claim knowing his own role was a similar "weak" one. Claiming newb defense isn't exactly the best defense in the world either.
Francis's vote to start off the game seemed to have good intentions. He had a clear plan and reason why he chose Zilla. Pro-town points for that. He's asked a lot of good questions since then, and I think he's town.
Sho... I have a gut feeling that Sho may be scum. I don't have a lot of a read as far as poor logic goes, but the way Sho is posting is a little scummy. I'll have to dedicate a post to looking over his posts in isolation later.
Juls: The only problem I had with Juls was her comment on trying to draw out a counter claim. Other than that, she's seemed pretty pro-town.
My guess at the scumteam: Sho/Raivann.
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I feel a fool I hadn't thought of this earlier. Hm... Raivann is less confirmed than before, still, it doesn't change my theory, which has Francis as the common factor.arelian wrote:
Santos: As already explained, if Raivann is scum Santos probably isn't (Raivann wouldn't risk outing himself if Santos ends up getting lynched). If Raivann isn't scum then Santos is definitely town.
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I'm gonna go with Sho on Francis. I now think its Francis/arelian.
Francis got awful quiet after I claimed, and arelian still wants to lynch me.
and this...
Francis got awful quiet after I claimed, and arelian still wants to lynch me.
and this...
arelian wrote: Francis's vote to start off the game seemed to have good intentions. He had a clear plan and reason why he chose Zilla. Pro-town points for that. He's asked a lot of good questions since then, and I think he's town.
unvote, Vote: Francis
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Day 2, Votecount 5
arelian (2): Juls, Flava Flave
Francis(2): Sho Minamimoto, Raivann
Santos(1): Francis
Not voting (2): Santos, arelian
With 7 present, it takes 4 to force somebody to sign the warrant.
Deadline is Monday, August 10th, 5:00pm EST.
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Yep, this is fine. You won't get replaced until three prods anyway. Good luck with the final.
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I would second this, but since I find Francis to be a common denominator, I think it's obvious.Santos wrote:I kind of am feeling more arelian. Why Francis over arelian if they're supposedly both scum?
Raiv: I need you to clear your mind a moment, and answer me honestly in this hypothetical. Now, I would like to state that the odds of this happening are roughly 5.6%, but you are scum. You met your partner last night (1/6). Your partner targeted Hero, who died as a result (1/3rd chance). Knowing there was a weak watcher claim, would you claim weak doctor over your partner to seem innocent to the town?
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I've got internet access issues at the moment.I can't promise that I'll be able to post every 48 hours, but I can make sure I get online at least every three days, and definitely on the weekend.
I see votes on me.
Someone who has the time should make a list of every player and who they've voted for so far.
Some notes on my reads that I haven't provided you yet:
Hero voted for Sho before switching to Zilla. Unless Sho-scum thought this was Hero leaving some sort of hint, I figured that, objectively, Sho was the least likely to be scum of everyone in the game. (Why would scum start the game voting for someone they thought was their partner? It follows that the goons probably wouldn't have targeted anyone that voted for them in Day 1.) This is why Sho was at the bottom of my list.
It's possible that Sho was the other goon who targeted someone other than Hero.
Juls was bumped up my list because of her tentative comments about Flava earlier today. It looked to me like she was avoiding taking an obvious stance on him while providing something that looked like lip service to the discussion. It occurred to me that she could be a goon who didn't have Flava on their list of confirmed townies and so was worried that Flava-scum might actually be lynched.
Not sure where to look right now.
Assuming the goons
haven't
found each other yet, Juls/arelian seems unlikely, given Juls' vote for him.Raivann could still be fake-claiming scum. His defence for pushing Flava's lynch despite the specificity of his role is the newbie card, which I've never found especially compelling. I do find his reason for claiming sort of pro-town, though. (Assuming he and Santos didn't find each other last night.)
Santos has been covered by others already.
Arelian hasn't been sticking out to me. I was slightly irked on a page or two (will look for posts later) where he seemed to more or less be parroting someone else.
Sho doesn't really stick out either.
If the goons have found each other, then they could be freely distancing.
I have done a quick read and caught up. It sounds like people are interested in voting for Francis/arelian the most. I personally am not on board with a Francis lynch. He has seemed pretty pro-town to me.
If conversations have stalled I see no reason why Santos/arelian aren't voting. I thought their reasons were that they wanted to have discussion?
If conversations have stalled I see no reason why Santos/arelian aren't voting. I thought their reasons were that they wanted to have discussion?
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Hm.. secret. Scum may take your night action as a way to make someone look like scum if it is public. I suppose the opposite is true, but you'll be smart, I'm sure.Raivann wrote:Yeah arelian kinda disappeared. Let's lynch him. I'll get the rope.
Sorry buddy, but you're obvscum.
@town- Any suggestions on my night action? Should I keep it secret or should we have a consensus?
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@raivann: Because you're claiming to be a feeble old man, meaning physically weak.
Anyone else's thoughts on Raiv's suggestion?
Then the odds you are scum is exactly 5.6%. Since I zetta dig a 94.4% shot, I will assume you are town as before. Side note: If you said no, you're odds of being scum would be 33%+Raivann wrote:Was it my idea(in this hypothetical)? If I had thought of it and my partner was at the same skill level as me, yes. If my partner was really good though and I had this idea to claim weak doctor -I'd suggest they try it.
I disagree, but that is just my perspective.Juls wrote:I have done a quick read and caught up. It sounds like people are interested in voting for Francis/arelian the most. I personally am not on board with a Francis lynch. He has seemed pretty pro-town to me.
If conversations have stalled I see no reason why Santos/arelian aren't voting. I thought their reasons were that they wanted to have discussion?
@raivann: Because you're claiming to be a feeble old man, meaning physically weak.
Anyone else's thoughts on Raiv's suggestion?
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I'm not sure what Juls is talking about in post 111.
I do want to vote for arelian, but why are some folks going for Francis when arelian is also a good candidate? I guess what I'm asking is why 'the common denominator?'
I do want to vote for arelian, but why are some folks going for Francis when arelian is also a good candidate? I guess what I'm asking is why 'the common denominator?'
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@arelian, no. We aren't lynching Raiv today.
@Francis, what I first saw was the L-2 vote, which newer players tend to take as a threat to lynch, combined with a Day 2 attack on the hammer. It seemed contradictory. But what I really didn't like was the reaction to my attack.
@Raivann, it's your decision. I'd personally target someone who I think is town. If you claim your target, it lets scum kill you to set up the WIFOM argument that you went after scum. So I'd target someone who is probably town, but not yet cleared. That's just me though.
@All, I don't see the case on Francis. Arelian is a much better lynch. Juls is probably the other scum.
@Francis, what I first saw was the L-2 vote, which newer players tend to take as a threat to lynch, combined with a Day 2 attack on the hammer. It seemed contradictory. But what I really didn't like was the reaction to my attack.
@Raivann, it's your decision. I'd personally target someone who I think is town. If you claim your target, it lets scum kill you to set up the WIFOM argument that you went after scum. So I'd target someone who is probably town, but not yet cleared. That's just me though.
@All, I don't see the case on Francis. Arelian is a much better lynch. Juls is probably the other scum.
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Hey guys, sorry, been really busy with stuff.
First, my defense:
Also, it seems that some people are voting me based on process of elimination or just following flava's arguments. That's fine, if me getting lynched will provide us with some information that's good. I don't really think we're in too much of a LyLo risk, though we could get really unlucky. However, this lynch would be useless for me since I know my alignment already so I'll try and give a bit more of what I think of all the other players. It might help you guys in the future if I do end up being lynched:
Sho, talking to flava about his hammer:
Sho, making a case on Francis:
Sho, more on Francis:
So with Raivann and Sho being the most suspicious to me, and Raivann being too valuable to risk a mislynch, I'm gonna have to:
Also, Francis wanted a list of everyone who's voted for each person? Here it is:
day 1
francis -> zilla
herodotus -> sho
herodotus -> zilla
arelian -> zilla
raivann -> arelian
zilla -> zilla
flava -> zilla
day 2
raivann -> flava
francis -> flava
flava -> arelian
sho -> francis
juls -> flava
francis -> raivann
arelian -> santos
flava -> raivann
juls -> arelian
sho -> raivann
francis -> santos
raivann -> sho
sho -> francis
flava -> arelian
raivann -> francis
arelian -> sho
I think that's everyone, may have missed something though.
Finally, Raivann, if you really are weak doctor, I would say it's up to you, but if you do say who you target, and if the scum haven't found each other yet, you may live even if they target you to kill you. And it'll force them to choose between trying to find each other or trying to kill you.
First, my defense:
Could you explain a little more? What exactly was wrong with my reaction to you attacking me? I thought I made my case pretty well.Flava wrote:Francis, what I first saw was the L-2 vote, which newer players tend to take as a threat to lynch, combined with a Day 2 attack on the hammer. It seemed contradictory. But what I really didn't like was the reaction to my attack.
Also, it seems that some people are voting me based on process of elimination or just following flava's arguments. That's fine, if me getting lynched will provide us with some information that's good. I don't really think we're in too much of a LyLo risk, though we could get really unlucky. However, this lynch would be useless for me since I know my alignment already so I'll try and give a bit more of what I think of all the other players. It might help you guys in the future if I do end up being lynched:
Raivann
: Pretty much what I said before. He could be lying with his claim, and the biggest evidence I see for that is him not initially believing Flava's claim. Other than that, he has been jumping around a lot, especially his perspective of me. I agree that he is not the lynch for today, but he needs to be looked at. Flava
: Also not a lynch for today, as Raivann's claim makes him look better. I still don't like his hammer, and his attack on me. I don't understand why hammering to him is less of a big deal than putting the L-2 vote on someone. That said, I believe his claim, and even though he has done some very anti-town things, he's probably town.Francis
: I still have a strong town read on him. I agree with pretty much everything he's said. He asks good questions, and seems logical. I haven't seen any contradictory play from him. Not a good lynch for today.Santos
: Hasn't done too much, but is pretty much cleared by Raivann's claim, whether it's true or not. Not a good lynch for today.Sho
: I mentioned before I had a gut scum read on him. I reread all of Sho's posts, and here's what I've found:Sho, talking to flava about his hammer:
Don't understand this logic at all. I thought it was pretty clear that Zilla voted for herself to prove her point that early bandwagons were good. It wasn't a crack under pressure. Seems like Sho is reaching here.Actually, talk about zetta stupid, I just now realized that you hammer Zilla after she voted herself. You have yet to claim you thought this self vote was a crack under pressure as people were trying to apply, which means... I bet your scum. I think a townie is very likely to mention something like the above, but you didn't.
Sho, making a case on Francis:
Looks to me like Sho is trying to make more of a case against Francis then there really is. He even lets Francis know that if he's wrong he's free to correct him.Hm... You're right about Francis, but I'm voting him primarily because of his original statement about his "not random" vote on Zilla, which was followed by a lynching. In fact, I just reread Francis in iso and realized Francis never did answer my question. (I could have missed it, and if I did, do point that out Francis)
Sho, more on Francis:
This is a really passive attack. It's taking his earlier suspicion of Francis and making a process of elimination excuse to continue voting for him. He also apologizes, which makes me think he's afraid of an OMGUS vote.Sorry Francis, but as my common denominator, I am forced to factor you out to solve for X.
Juls
: Tough to get a read on her. Her logic on the counter claim was off, but other than that I don't see too much to be suspicious of. I'm kinda worried though that the counter claim logic was just an excuse to keep her vote on Flava, who was close to a lynch. So with Raivann and Sho being the most suspicious to me, and Raivann being too valuable to risk a mislynch, I'm gonna have to:
Vote: Sho Minamimoto
Also, Francis wanted a list of everyone who's voted for each person? Here it is:
day 1
francis -> zilla
herodotus -> sho
herodotus -> zilla
arelian -> zilla
raivann -> arelian
zilla -> zilla
flava -> zilla
day 2
raivann -> flava
francis -> flava
flava -> arelian
sho -> francis
juls -> flava
francis -> raivann
arelian -> santos
flava -> raivann
juls -> arelian
sho -> raivann
francis -> santos
raivann -> sho
sho -> francis
flava -> arelian
raivann -> francis
arelian -> sho
I think that's everyone, may have missed something though.
Finally, Raivann, if you really are weak doctor, I would say it's up to you, but if you do say who you target, and if the scum haven't found each other yet, you may live even if they target you to kill you. And it'll force them to choose between trying to find each other or trying to kill you.
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A and B are a possible scum team in my mind, as are B and C. Who would I vote for?Santos wrote:I'm not sure what Juls is talking about in post 111.
I do want to vote for arelian, but why are some folks going for Francis when arelian is also a good candidate? I guess what I'm asking is why 'the common denominator?'
B. As the common factor between the two, it is the one I remove:
(AB+BC)=B(A+C)
Get it, got it? Good.
False. I NEVER said that the self vote was a crack under pressure. I stated that Flava never explained the hammer as: A, B, C, or D (which is to say, fill in the blank.) I thought that Flava voted (hammered) Zilla because self voting looked scummy, then yes, I would have been more...comfortable because there was a reason. (Not the best one, but one nonetheless). However, Zilla was proving a point about bandwagons: If true, WHY IN SEVEN HELLS WOULD YOU VOTE FOR THAT PERSON? Bandwagons are, on D1, town. Since Flava had not posted a wagon, I didn't reach, I made the conclusion of scum=Flava.arelian wrote:Sho: I mentioned before I had a gut scum read on him. I reread all of Sho's posts, and here's what I've found:
Sho, talking to flava about his hammer:
Don't understand this logic at all. I thought it was pretty clear that Zilla voted for herself to prove her point that early bandwagons were good. It wasn't a crack under pressure. Seems like Sho is reaching here.Actually, talk about zetta stupid, I just now realized that you hammer Zilla after she voted herself. You have yet to claim you thought this self vote was a crack under pressure as people were trying to apply, which means... I bet your scum. I think a townie is very likely to mention something like the above, but you didn't.
Flat out wrong. I didn't make more of the case, I simply stated that I did not see him answer my question on reread, so I'll keep my vote. Further, how is telling a person: "If you happened to answer me and I missed it, let me know" scummy? I don't want to vote someone who doesn't deserve my vote, and I had already done a quick read through once, so...wait...what's your point?arelian wrote: Sho, making a case on Francis:
Looks to me like Sho is trying to make more of a case against Francis then there really is. He even lets Francis know that if he's wrong he's free to correct him.Hm... You're right about Francis, but I'm voting him primarily because of his original statement about his "not random" vote on Zilla, which was followed by a lynching. In fact, I just reread Francis in iso and realized Francis never did answer my question. (I could have missed it, and if I did, do point that out Francis)
Apologizes? Maybe I should add those stupid SARCASM tags. (in all caps for emphasis, I guess.)arelian wrote: Sho, more on Francis:
This is a really passive attack. It's taking his earlier suspicion of Francis and making a process of elimination excuse to continue voting for him. He also apologizes, which makes me think he's afraid of an OMGUS vote.Sorry Francis, but as my common denominator, I am forced to factor you out to solve for X.
This by far surpasses my suspicions of Francis:
unvote; vote arelian
*LYNCH MINUS ONE!!!For fabricating evidence.
Also, just noted my stupidity in previous posts:
Juls+arelian is completely possible. I dunno why excluded that, which means both Francis and arelian are common along with Juls. So..yeah, my deduction was off.
Raivann, if a long goon, would have a list of innocents, which means he could be scum without Santos being scum. His odds are still low, about 10-12%, but still, just completely forgot that until I went back to page 1 and saw the role PM again. Stupid me.
That aside, I think most of my points still stand.
I would like to hear arelian's response.
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Sorry, I should have been a little more clear. What I found weird with this was that you suggested that Flava should have thought that zilla's self vote was a crack under pressure. I really don't see how her vote was one, and you accusing Flava of being scum because he didn't see her vote as a crack under pressure is (in my opinion) bad reasoning, and reaching. I agree with you on the fact that Flava was scummy for hammering, but not for this reason.Sho Minamimoto wrote:False. I NEVER said that the self vote was a crack under pressure. I stated that Flava never explained the hammer as: A, B, C, or D (which is to say, fill in the blank.) I thought that Flava voted (hammered) Zilla because self voting looked scummy, then yes, I would have been more...comfortable because there was a reason. (Not the best one, but one nonetheless). However, Zilla was proving a point about bandwagons: If true, WHY IN SEVEN HELLS WOULD YOU VOTE FOR THAT PERSON? Bandwagons are, on D1, town. Since Flava had not posted a wagon, I didn't reach, I made the conclusion of scum=Flava.
You made more of a case then there really was because he did answer your question. I'll admit that you could have genuinely missed it, but I think there could be a definite scum strategy in claiming you missed something. Also, I feel like the motive behind this is important- you're allowing yourself an out if it turns out you're incorrect, which could be seen as a scummy tactic. That way, if someone challenges you, you have an excuse.Sho Minamimoto wrote:Flat out wrong. I didn't make more of the case, I simply stated that I did not see him answer my question on reread, so I'll keep my vote. Further, how is telling a person: "If you happened to answer me and I missed it, let me know" scummy? I don't want to vote someone who doesn't deserve my vote, and I had already done a quick read through once, so...wait...what's your point?
On it's own, your quote wasn't too telling. But I feel like your attitude as a whole, especially when dealing with Francis, was really cautious. Those two quotes go together.Sho Minamimoto wrote:Apologizes? Maybe I should add those stupid SARCASM tags. (in all caps for emphasis, I guess.)
That's part of what my gut read was on you, I felt a lot of caution in your posts. So I tried to point out some of it.
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Day 2, Votecount 6
arelian (3): Juls, Flava Flave, Sho Minamimoto
Francis(1): Raivann
Santos(1): Francis
Sho Minamimoto(1): arelian
Not voting (1): Santos
With 7 present, it takes 4 to force somebody to sign the warrant.
Deadline is Monday, August 10th, 5:00pm EST.
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I did no such thing. I gave an example reason. I found it scummy that Flava voted off a person without any explanation for doing so. I gave one possible reason (that she cracked under pressure. Whether or not this is true or false is irrelevant. It is obviously false though). But he gave no reason, which is scummy.arelian wrote: Sorry, I should have been a little more clear. What I found weird with this was that you suggested that Flava should have thought that zilla's self vote was a crack under pressure. I really don't see how her vote was one, and you accusing Flava of being scum because he didn't see her vote as a crack under pressure is (in my opinion) bad reasoning, and reaching. I agree with you on the fact that Flava was scummy for hammering, but not for this reason.
Your second statement contradicts your first. Your third statement fails because what scum strategy is there in saying "I missed X, I'm going to vote you until my question is answered. If I happened to miss it, point it out to me." There is no strategy behind that, it is asking for clarification. And what challenge? Who would challenge me for asking for direction with mild pressure? Francis was no where near being lynched, so this is just entire statement is as strong as root-1.arelian wrote: You made more of a case then there really was because he did answer your question. I'll admit that you could have genuinely missed it, but I think there could be a definite scum strategy in claiming you missed something. Also, I feel like the motive behind this is important- you're allowing yourself an out if it turns out you're incorrect, which could be seen as a scummy tactic. That way, if someone challenges you, you have an excuse.
There's no caution. A lack of certainty in Francis=scum idea for not answering my question, but I am very certain at the moment that you're fabricating evidence/reaching.arelian wrote: On it's own, your quote wasn't too telling. But I feel like your attitude as a whole, especially when dealing with Francis, was really cautious. Those two quotes go together.
That's part of what my gut read was on you, I felt a lot of caution in your posts. So I tried to point out some of it.
Side note: Come out everyone, let's play a game here.
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If we don't lynch scum, be aware that 2 or more deaths tonight mean the town loses. Those deaths could be Mafia kills or you dying because you've targeted Mafia. I won't spell it out but given this information, I think your target tonight, in the case that we mislynch, should be obvious.Raivann wrote:@town- Any suggestions on my night action? Should I keep it secret or should we have a consensus?
I don't think you should even hint at who you plan on targeting.
I still don't think attacking your hammer vote is unreasonable. L-2 is retractable, a hammer isn't, so I see no contradiction. Can you elaborate on his reaction to your attack?Flava wrote:@Francis, what I first saw was the L-2 vote, which newer players tend to take as a threat to lynch, combined with a Day 2 attack on the hammer. It seemed contradictory. But what I really didn't like was the reaction to my attack.
Sho, I've asked this already. What makes you think my non-random vote makes me likely to be Mafia?
Thanks for the list arelian. (I'm doing it again just for peace of mind. :p)
[mrow][col]Day 1
(5 to lynch)
[col]Day2
(4 to lynch)
Francis:[col]Zilla (1)[col]Flava Flave (2), Raivann (1), Santos (2)
Herodotus:
[col]Sho (1), Zilla (2)
arelian:[col]Zilla (3)[col]Santos (1), Sho (1)
Raivann:[col]arelian (1)[col]Flava Flave (1), Sho (1), Francis (2)
Zilla:
[col]Zilla (4)
Flava:[col]Zilla (5)[col]arelian (1), Raivann (2), arelian (2)
Sho:[col]-[col]Francis (1), Raivann (3), Francis (1), arelian (3)
Juls:[col]-[col]Flava Flave (3), arelian (1)
Santos:[col]-[col]-Quick list of who was voted by who:
Sho (2) - Raivann, arelian
Flava (3) - Juls, Francis, Raivann
Santos (2) - Francis, arelian
Juls (6) - No one!
Francis (2) - Sho, Raivann
Raivann (3) - Sho, Flava, Francis
arelian (3) - Sho, Flava, Juls
Based on the above, where votes
haven't
fallen:[mrow][col]Sho[col]Flava[col]Santos[col]Juls[col]Francis[col]Raivann[col]arelian[col]Total Sho[col][col color=red][col color=red][col color=red][col]-[col]-[col]-[col]3 Flava[col color=red][col][col color=red][col color=red][col color=red][col]-[col]-[col]4 Santos[col color=red][col color=red][col][col color=red][col color=red][col color=red][col color=red][col]6 Juls[col color=red][col]-[col color=red][col][col color=red][col color=red][col]-[col]4 Francis[col color=red][col]-[col]-[col color=red][col][col]-[col color=red][col]3 Raivann[col]-[col]-[col color=red][col color=red][col]-[col][col color=red][col]3 arelian[col]-[col color=red][col]-[col color=red][col color=red][col color=red][col][col]4 Total[col]4[col]3[col]4[col]6[col]4[col]3[col]3
Written another way:
Sho (3) - Flava, Santos, Juls
Flava (3) - Sho, Santos, Francis
Santos (6) - Everyone!
Juls (4) - Sho, Santos, Francis Raivann
Francis (3) - Sho, Juls, arelian
Raivann (3) - Santos, Juls, arelian
arelian (4) - Flava, Juls, Francis, Raivann
I hadn't noticed this at all until now, but Santos hasn't voted for anyone at all. lol. If it weren't for Raivann's claim, I would be pushing very hard for his lynch.
I'm surprised that Juls has had no votes on her at all.
Sho, tell us what you're thinking about Juls.
And this is why I see Francis as pro-town. I am sorry I haven't been around. I had family in town and just bought a new vehicle that I am dealing with the paperwork for and have to do some painting/carpetting this weekend in my daughter's room. I promise, promise, promise that I will provide a meaningful post by the end of the weekend.
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