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Post Post #100 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:52 pm

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Ellibereth wrote:I would have bet on Kiwi being lynched d1 pregame.
Does that mean anything.

no not really.

people lose bets constantly.
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Post Post #101 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:52 pm

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suggest double lurk
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Post Post #102 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:53 pm

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Faraday wrote:
Ellibereth wrote:I would have bet on Kiwi being lynched d1 pregame.
Does that mean anything.

yeah, me too.

otoh he's a fairly easy read.

wanna bet your read on me is wrong?
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Post Post #103 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:54 pm

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kiwieagle wrote:wanna bet your read on me is wrong?

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Post Post #104 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:02 pm

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Fishythefish (3): Faraday, VitaminR, Ellibereth
Fenchurch (2): Cogito Ergo Sum, Fishythefish
Cogito Ergo Sum (1): Fenchurch

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Post Post #105 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 8:19 pm

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Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:So you had no reason to think there would be a link between alignment and how'd I feel? I find that a little weird considering I'm the only player here where there's a strong relation between the two, as far as I know. I really got my hopes up.

No, I don't actually know your alignment preference; but I still like to know the answer to the question. Even without knowing your preference (and frankly I don't expect it makes a big difference, as scum I wouldn't expect you to give a truthful answer) it can still be useful to gauge whether the response is truthful or whether you are hiding something.

Fishythefish wrote:@Fenchurch: what makes you think I'm "poss scum" (56)?

The fact that you've reacted very little to being at L-1. If you were town I would expect you be much quicker to try and defend yourself, since you would have an explanation anything you've done.

And I don't think the wagon on you was totally bad to begin with. I think your posts so far have been a little empty. Not having much to say is a scumtell imo; it implies you're having to fabricate your cases, rather than them coming naturally.
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Post Post #106 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:08 pm

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kiwieagle wrote:also vitaminr is obvscum.
the rest are town or neutral.

kiwi, what gives you a scumread on Vitamin?

kiwieagle wrote:
Faraday wrote:Kiwi you're very nervous.

This game feels like a freakin marathon game.

Is this a reason why you're nervous?
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Post Post #107 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:34 pm

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Fenchurch wrote:
Fishythefish wrote:@Fenchurch: what makes you think I'm "poss scum" (56)?

The fact that you've reacted very little to being at L-1. If you were town I would expect you be much quicker to try and defend yourself, since you would have an explanation anything you've done.

And I don't think the wagon on you was totally bad to begin with. I think your posts so far have been a little empty. Not having much to say is a scumtell imo; it implies you're having to fabricate your cases, rather than them coming naturally.

The first reason is horrible. With no reasons given for me being at L-1, how should I have reacted? But much worse - when you posted your read, I hadn't posted since being at L-1, and had been there for exactly 5 minutes. So this
cannot
have been your real reason. Makes me happy with my vote - you've gone back and invented a reason why you thought I was scum.

For the second reason - well, at this stage of the game I'm voting on anything I find even a little bit scummy. So obviously my cases are going to look weaker than usual. I don't think that makes them "empty", compared with all the people who have basically been talking crap because it's the RVS.
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Post Post #108 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:01 pm

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Fishythefish wrote:The first reason is horrible. With no reasons given for me being at L-1, how should I have reacted? But much worse - when you posted your read, I hadn't posted since being at L-1, and had been there for exactly 5 minutes. So this
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have been your real reason. Makes me happy with my vote - you've gone back and invented a reason why you thought I was scum.

It was 30 mins since Faraday began the wagon on you, and I had already seen your reaction to that, so that
was
part of my reason.

With no reasons given for a wagon on you, there are still plenty of other ways you could react besides ignoring it. You can insist on getting a reason. You can strive to prove your townie-ness through scumhunting and analysis. Just because doing nothing was the only option that occurred to you, does not mean it was the only option.

Fishythefish wrote:For the second reason - well, at this stage of the game I'm voting on anything I find even a little bit scummy. So obviously my cases are going to look weaker than usual. I don't think that makes them "empty"...

They don't seem weak-empty, they seem fake-empty.

Fishythefish wrote:...compared with all the people who have basically been talking crap because it's the RVS.

There is no RVS.
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Post Post #109 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:14 pm

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1. I did ask Faraday for a reason, and got none. It was pretty clear there was little or no reason for the votes. And if you read my posts, you might notice that I
have
been scumhunting. And still, this just can't have been your reason in 56. Because
a) as you say, it had only been 30 minutes since
anyone
had voted for me.
b) my only posts in that time
were
asking for reasons from Faraday and refuting the only point actually made against me (by Elli).
I asked you what you meant in 56, and you responded with something you can't sensibly have been thinking when you made that post.

2. What do you mean by "fake-empty", and how do you tell the difference between it and "weak-empty"?

3. OK then, "compared with all the people who have basically been talking crap because it's early in the game".
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Post Post #110 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:32 pm

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Fishythefish wrote:And still, this just can't have been your reason in 56. Because
a) as you say, it had only been 30 minutes since
anyone
had voted for me.
. . .
I asked you what you meant in 56, and you responded with something you can't sensibly have been thinking when you made that post.

What? This is plenty of time to form a read, and I've already said what it was based on. Why 'can't this have been the reason'?

Fishythefish wrote:b) my only posts in that time
were
asking for reasons from Faraday and refuting the only point actually made against me (by Elli).

This is true, but I already said why that's part of the problem. There is no reason necessarily for those to have been your only posts.

Fishythefish wrote:2. What do you mean by "fake-empty", and how do you tell the difference between it and "weak-empty"?

I don't know but I know it when I see it?

It's something like... carefully-worded posts, with nothing superficially 'wrong' with them, but nothing extra added either that could give more insight into your thoughts or alignment. Seems like you're holding back.
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Post Post #111 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:36 pm

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Fishy's posts just now seem genuine to me, I don't think he is likely scum any more.
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Post Post #112 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:40 pm

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1. So, you really are claiming that you thought I was scum based on the following:

9:47 - Faraday votes Fishy
9:50 - Fishy asks why
9:51 - Elli gives a reason; Faraday tells Fishy to guess why
9:59 - Fishy answers the reason, and doesn't guess
10:00 - 10:27 - Two more people vote Fishy; Fishy doesn't post.

Your reason reduces to
half an hour of inactivity
. Nothing else. That's what you're calling scummy. And that's what I find totally unbelievable. If I've misunderstood you, please explain what I'm missing.

2. OK, thanks.
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Post Post #113 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:54 pm

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Ellibereth wrote:poor vitamin
he may be outed by the bussing kiwi

Not a bad point, actually.

kiwi, I appreciate the attempt, but, trust me, you'll want to reconsider that read. Though please explain how you came about it.

kiwi, you haven't responded to this request from VitR yet.
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Post Post #114 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:09 am

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Fenchurch wrote:No, I don't actually know your alignment preference; but I still like to know the answer to the question. Even without knowing your preference (and frankly I don't expect it makes a big difference, as scum I wouldn't expect you to give a truthful answer) it can still be useful to gauge whether the response is truthful or whether you are hiding something.

I'm still not going to answer it fully because of rolefishing and whatnot. What exactly my role is, clearly influences the purity of the soul-crushing disappointment I experienced.

(I still think the whole thing is weird. The only way you could get a useful reaction out of this type of question is for me to really care about my alignment - which I happen to do because I haven't been scum since the ~25th of June.)

This Fenchurch-Fishy convo is zzzz.

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Post Post #115 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:14 am

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Fishythefish wrote:1. So, you really are claiming that you thought I was scum based on the following:

9:47 - Faraday votes Fishy
9:50 - Fishy asks why
9:51 - Elli gives a reason; Faraday tells Fishy to guess why
9:59 - Fishy answers the reason, and doesn't guess
10:00 - 10:27 - Two more people vote Fishy; Fishy doesn't post.

Your reason reduces to
half an hour of inactivity
. Nothing else. That's what you're calling scummy. And that's what I find totally unbelievable. If I've misunderstood you, please explain what I'm missing.

I'm basically repeating what I've already said. It was 2 main things:
1. Your actions early in the game seemed cautious and careful; and in the absence of anything else, I find this to be a slight scumtell.
2. Your seemed to accept the wagon on you; partly with your fairly mild responses to Faraday and Elli's votes,
partly
with your inactivity.

Your defence since then overrides these tells for me, but it was the above two points, combined with the lack of anything to convince me otherwise at the time, that led me to that read, and I don't think it was unreasonable.
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Post Post #116 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:20 am

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Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:Kiwi, with me!

CES - you said my "rolefishing was unintentional". So, what is the reason for your current vote on me?
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Post Post #117 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:21 am

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mykonian wrote:
votecount


Fishythefish (3): Faraday, VitaminR, Ellibereth
Fenchurch (2): Cogito Ergo Sum, Fishythefish
Cogito Ergo Sum (1): Fenchurch

Not voting (1): Kiwieagle
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Post Post #118 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:25 am

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Suspects to me: CES, Faraday, Elli, kiwi

Elli:
1. Why are you voting Fishy?
2. What are your thoughts on CES?
3. You said that Faraday was lying when he claimed that "being playful is a towntell". Do you think Faraday is scummy?
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Post Post #119 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:36 am

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Being suspicious of me is probably a scum tell here.
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Post Post #120 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:03 am

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Fenchurch wrote:CES - you said my "rolefishing was unintentional". So, what is the reason for your current vote on me?
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Post Post #121 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:04 am

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Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:
mykonian wrote:
votecount


Fishythefish (3): Faraday, VitaminR, Ellibereth
Fenchurch (2): Cogito Ergo Sum, Fishythefish
Cogito Ergo Sum (1): Fenchurch

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Post Post #122 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:05 am

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Yes, that's the vote I'm talking about.
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Post Post #123 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:07 am

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Okay nevermind I just got it.

I've given my reason for why I'm voting you.

Why is it a scumtell to find you suspicious? What have you done that makes you town?
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Post Post #124 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:16 am

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You probably didn't get it, just fyi.

Fenchurch wrote:Why is it a scumtell to find you suspicious? What have you done that makes you town?

The correct read is null, I assure you. Post 49 might be a town tell, not entirely sure, to answer your second question.
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