I don't like you.DragonsofSummer wrote:Why am I on your short list?
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I tried to give an analysis of PBuG's decision unrelated to my own opinion regarding him. If you see faults in my analysis, I would certainly appreciate it if you could point them out to me.Thesp wrote:I'm torn 50/50 as to whether or not this post is an indicator of scumminess or of townieness. I think it has both, and that bothers me.
Glork, I'd like you to analyze Stoofer.
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OK, I've re-read yesterday's lynch.
I was looking for two things in particular:
Anyway, with that in mind, three people struck me on my read-through:
I'd also like DragonsofSummer to post some more content - e.g. his views on PBuG and the surrounding debate.
*I disagree that PBuG's play is particularly suspicious (for him). I agree it would have been better if he had taken Fritzler's ability. And Zindaras' post 95 is a very good point.
I was looking for two things in particular:
- People who were non-committal about VitaminR at the beginning of his bandwagon;
- People who jumped on VitaminR right at the end.
Anyway, with that in mind, three people struck me on my read-through:
- Patrick: he seemed to do the minimum necessary to associate himself with the bandwagon without doing anything to push it along. I would have seriously thought about voting for him today, expect for one little thing...
- Maz Medias: His one post of yesterday is striking for its lack of content. I can't think of any justification for him not commenting on the VitaminR wagon.
- PBuG: He made a "role-playing" comment about VitaminR that I think meant he supported the lynch (but without reasons and it wasn't very strong) and then he came in at the end to hammer VitaminR without giving reasons. Also a striking lack of content day 1.
I'd also like DragonsofSummer to post some more content - e.g. his views on PBuG and the surrounding debate.
*I disagree that PBuG's play is particularly suspicious (for him). I agree it would have been better if he had taken Fritzler's ability. And Zindaras' post 95 is a very good point.
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One more thing. I doubt very much if the scum would have targeted Patrick -- why would they bother? More likely he got killed protecting someone else. I've looked at Patrick's posts to see any clue as to who he might have protected -- that person would be confirmed innocent -- but I can't find anything. Maybe someone else can?
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There's a world of difference between the following (which focuses on the
quality
of PBuG's play, and not his scumminess):compared to your post (which says you want to lynch PBuG even though you want more rationale):Zindaras wrote:If PBuG's scum, it means we're in LyLo.
I agree with Glork that it is quite unsettling. I definitely want PBuG to elaborate on his choice.
Maz Medias wrote:He's probably a good lynch, but I want to hear more rationale.
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This list.Mr Stoofer wrote:I think if I were scum I would want to see how the bandwagon developed, bearing in mind that it began so early (I certainly wouldn't have defended VitaminR). Then once it got going so strongly, I would have wanted to be on it before it ended. [I'm sure ballsier players than me might not have voted at all, and then used WIFOM.]
Anyway, with that in mind, three people struck me on my read-through:
Patrick: he seemed to do the minimum necessary to associate himself with the bandwagon without doing anything to push it along. I would have seriously thought about voting for him today, expect for one little thing...
Maz Medias: His one post of yesterday is striking for its lack of content. I can't think of any justification for him not commenting on the VitaminR wagon.
PBuG: He made a "role-playing" comment about VitaminR that I think meant he supported the lynch (but without reasons and it wasn't very strong) and then he came in at the end to hammer VitaminR without giving reasons. Also a striking lack of content day 1.
Go find out for yourself.
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Glork, don't ignore 102.
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OK Glork, I've re-read again, and it's obvious you mean Thesp. I probably didn't include him first time round because I thought his first post was "anti-VitaminR" -- and therefore he did not satisfy criterion (a). Perhaps I was being too soft on him. Thesp was also discussing nightchoices although he didn't give this as a reason not to vote VitaminR (unlike others). You are probably right that he should go on the list. He is also on my "PBuG list".
I've just had a thought. VitaminR vigging night 1, and then denying it, was a fairly stupid thing to do. If that's what happened (and all the evidence is that it did), then that suggests that his scumbuddies are fairly inexperienced/unsophisticated -- e.g. I would be surprised if Glork had been party to such a plan.
I've just had a thought. VitaminR vigging night 1, and then denying it, was a fairly stupid thing to do. If that's what happened (and all the evidence is that it did), then that suggests that his scumbuddies are fairly inexperienced/unsophisticated -- e.g. I would be surprised if Glork had been party to such a plan.
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I wasn't ignoring it. I asked Stoof those questions for a reason.Zindaras wrote:Glork, don't ignore 102.
Stoofer and I seem to be on the exact same wavelength. My list coming into today was Thesp, Maz, DoS, and PBuG... and now Stoof has named Maz/PBuG (and eventually Thesp) for the exact same reasons that I suspected them. DoS is on my list because it seemed like he just wanted to fit in with the early pressure on VitR, and he hasn't really contributed anything at all. His early vote for VitR was mere flavor, and doesn't suggest any real willingness to go thorugh with a VitR lynch.
That said, I'm not entirely convinced that Stoof is pro-town. His behavior was obviously anti-VitR yesterday, but I could easily see Stoof throwing a doomed scumbuddy under the bus as hard as he possibly could (much as I would expect myself to do so). If I were looking at everything objectively, I'd probably put Stoof and myself on approximately the same level... Stoof seems to want to further conversation, and in my eyes, he's applying pressure in most of the right places. I don't particularly agree with his stance towards Patrick; I think that Patrick's early "I don't see how Kelly died unless she was killed or used a night action, and I don't see her using a night action as an SK feasable" comment was pretty genuine, as it's exactly why I attacked VitaminR right off the bat... but that seems to be a completely moot point. I do kinda wonder why Stoof would bother saying that Patrick fits the bill. A small part of me is thinking, "It's like he wants us to believe that he's being genuine and completely objective." But I *do* like most of what I'm seeing out of Stoof right now.
Also, Stoof, I disagree completely with your assessment of the sophistication/experience of VitR and his scumbuddies. I think I'd actually be inclined to use such a plan, because the odds of Kelly being the SK are 1/9... that's a very slim chance of getting screwed over. I'm guessing that the scums saw things similarly, and that when Kelly turned up as SK and I proposed that VitR was scum, he panicked and said that he didn't shoot.
I think that I would like Thesp to claim his target and results from last night.
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@Glork: You're right I haven't really contributed anything and my vote yesterday was more flavor than actual vote, but I liked your logic about the situation and that is why my vote stayed where it did.
Back to the contributing thing. I will do a re-read and give you my top three suspects by tomorrow.
Back to the contributing thing. I will do a re-read and give you my top three suspects by tomorrow.
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Oh, wow, thanks so much for telling me what my own post meant! I never could have figured out what I was trying to say without your expert opinion.Mr Stoofer wrote:There's a world of difference between the following (which focuses on thequalityof PBuG's play, and not his scumminess):compared to your post (which says you want to lynch PBuG even though you want more rationale):Zindaras wrote:If PBuG's scum, it means we're in LyLo.
I agree with Glork that it is quite unsettling. I definitely want PBuG to elaborate on his choice.Maz Medias wrote:He's probably a good lynch, but I want to hear more rationale.
Obviously nobody's going to listen to me when I try to point out that I did, in fact, mean the same thing as Zindaras, seeing as how I was agreeing with his position.
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Alright, Maz is on top of my list because of a few things:
That was his only post on day one.
I don't like his day 2 play at all for a few reasons. First and formost he feels overly defensive to me. He keeps bringing up how unfortunate it is for him that he said the same thing as Zindaras and its only scummy for him, but it wasn't the same thing at all, and is still contributing nothing except to lash out at people who are showing him how it was different.
Thesp is second because he has added nothing at all to the game so far (I know it is a little hypocritical of me). He has also said that we should lynch PBug today, but only FoS's him and says that he can't figure out why he would take the vig role.
PBuG is third because he did choose the vig ability instead of one that more obviously helps the town.
Also Glork I don't know why you don't like me... I don't dislike you, I nothing you.
This was his first post in the game. I don't like his phrasing of two killing groups, when at this point there was still the potential of three killing groups had VitR been town. It seems he knew Vit wasn't town already at this point.Maz Medias wrote:I was with Jordan last night, in hopes that I could tack myself onto any night-kill immunity. With two killing groups in a small game, I thought that was the best course of action.
That was his only post on day one.
I don't like his day 2 play at all for a few reasons. First and formost he feels overly defensive to me. He keeps bringing up how unfortunate it is for him that he said the same thing as Zindaras and its only scummy for him, but it wasn't the same thing at all, and is still contributing nothing except to lash out at people who are showing him how it was different.
Thesp is second because he has added nothing at all to the game so far (I know it is a little hypocritical of me). He has also said that we should lynch PBug today, but only FoS's him and says that he can't figure out why he would take the vig role.
PBuG is third because he did choose the vig ability instead of one that more obviously helps the town.
Also Glork I don't know why you don't like me... I don't dislike you, I nothing you.
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I don't like that post one little bit. Just hopping on/pushing all the developing bandwagons for reasons already given by others.
I think Glork was just playing his role, he wasn't being personal.DragonsofSummer wrote:Also Glork I don't know why you don't like me... I don't dislike you, I nothing you.
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