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Post Post #100 (ISO) » Sun May 04, 2014 6:08 am

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In post 93, snscompt1 wrote:I do agree with you and a few others but I have disagreed with many points about Charizard.
So Im not just agreeing with everyone
. I do however like to keep an open mind. Im typically not very aggressive and thats why ny votes usually change as idk said. Ive already explained about my RVS statement I believe.

And yes, just like how two players can disagree and still see each other as town, I agree with you yet view you as a possible scum candidate.
So are you saying that you are making opinions just because you don't want to agree with everyone? That comes from a scum mindset. You want to look like you are actually doing something so that we don't figure out you are scum.

VOTE: snscompt1


I will put aside my theory for now since you all don't like it, but the second something hints towards it being correct I am going to bring it back up.
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Post Post #101 (ISO) » Sun May 04, 2014 6:10 am

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In post 100, beastcharizard wrote:
In post 93, snscompt1 wrote:I do agree with you and a few others but I have disagreed with many points about Charizard.
So Im not just agreeing with everyone
. I do however like to keep an open mind. Im typically not very aggressive and thats why ny votes usually change as idk said. Ive already explained about my RVS statement I believe.

And yes, just like how two players can disagree and still see each other as town, I agree with you yet view you as a possible scum candidate.
So are you saying that you are making opinions just because you don't want to agree with everyone? That comes from a scum mindset. You want to look like you are actually doing something so that we don't figure out you are scum.

VOTE: snscompt1
Holy misrep, beastcharizard. Where the hell do you get that from his post?
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Post Post #102 (ISO) » Sun May 04, 2014 6:11 am

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This game progresses too fast zz
In post 17, beastcharizard wrote:So I did a little work.

1:4, 10, 13
2:3, 5, 6, 7, 12
3:2, 7, 12
4:1, 7, 10, 11, 13
5:2, 6, 8, 12
6:2, 5, 7, 8
7:2, 3, 4, 6, 10, 11
8:5, 6
9:11, 13
10:1, 4, 7
11:4, 7, 9, 13
12:2, 3, 5
13:1, 4, 9, 11


5, 7, 13
2, 4, 8, 9
1, 6, 11, 12
2, 4, 6, 11
2, 4, 5, 13
2, 4, 5, 11
2, 4, 6, 13

Above is each nodes possible targets. I didn't use names because that is more than I felt like doing. I figure mafia has to be able to attack every player in the game. After everyone's target possibilities is every combination of numbers that allows everyone to be targetted. This of course excludes my own node possibilities because I am town. I didn't go above 4 because that would be too many mafia for balance imo. I don't know if I got them all but I think I did. If not point out what I missed.

2 out of the numbers 5, 6, 11, 13 have to be scum in order for my theory to be correct. It is my belief that we should lynch between these people. If we guess wrong at first then we will have a for sure lynch the next day. this guarantees 2 scum lynches in at most 4 days. If we lynch scum first then we have pretty much a confirmed town out of the other lynch option on the respective side. So if we lynch 5 and they flip scum then 6 is virtually confirmed town.

VOTE: Aegor

Lets start here.
Calculating this early, combined with sharing it publicly seems very townmotivated to me.
In post 18, Aegor wrote:Wait, so we should severely restrict our lynch pool based on the possibility that your setup speculation may be correct? I just am trying to make sure that you are, indeed, subscribing to play that would screw us over.
While I support Charizard's idea of pulling this through, I also believe there's a possibility that Aegor is right.
What I suggest is that we lynch a player based on regular methods in checking for scum / not scum R1.
While we're doing that, the mafia will most likely nightkill a player, if they do we may dig further based on that kill. If they don't, the town is given a free round to lynch.
In post 24, RedCoyote wrote:
SiX 13 wrote:Let us all heed the voice of randomness.
Wow, already scared to throw a vote out, huh?
That was obviously an unserious vote in case you didn't notice.
In post 30, Paschendale wrote:Isn't it a fundamental rule on the site that all roles and alignments are random? So, all of this "figure out scum by the nodes" is utter nonsense.

Scumpoints to everyone trying to get us to lynch based on setup spec.
The players within this game are considered individual nodes in a connected network. These connections determine the flow and reach of abilities. (If your role has an ability, your Role PM will dictate available targets for any actions.
This generally means that you will only be able to target people directly connected to you.)

The layout of the network, including connections, is available for viewing in the
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While I see your point, the rules talks against it in this case.
In post 36, beastcharizard wrote:It is all we have to go off of at this point so it is a good place to start. No one else is giving ideas on where to start. If all 4 people I want to lynch between are incredibly town then of course I am not going to lynch them. There are a pool of 6 people whom are most likely to be scum based off of the node. That is the four I have mentioned and number 2 and number 4.

Number 2 and Number 4 appear most in my list of possible number teams.
In post 49, beastcharizard wrote:Actually the 4 people I have choosen are the only people who are connected to the two out most nodes. only those people and them alone are connect to that single node.

Also, none of the numbers I want to lynch have the highest connections to nodes. 7 has the most followed by a tie between 2 and 4. So what you are saying is absolutely false.
While I agree with that possibility, don't you think it'd be a tad too easy to discover the scum team, seeing 2, 4 and 7 are the center of everyone?

Some opinions so far, more coming later.
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Post Post #103 (ISO) » Sun May 04, 2014 6:23 am

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In post 100, beastcharizard wrote:
In post 93, snscompt1 wrote:I do agree with you and a few others but I have disagreed with many points about Charizard.
So Im not just agreeing with everyone
. I do however like to keep an open mind. Im typically not very aggressive and thats why ny votes usually change as idk said. Ive already explained about my RVS statement I believe.

And yes, just like how two players can disagree and still see each other as town, I agree with you yet view you as a possible scum candidate.
So are you saying that you are making opinions just because you don't want to agree with everyone? That comes from a scum mindset. You want to look like you are actually doing something so that we don't figure out you are scum.

VOTE: snscompt1


I will put aside my theory for now since you all don't like it, but the second something hints towards it being correct I am going to bring it back up.
Try reading it again lol.
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Post Post #104 (ISO) » Sun May 04, 2014 7:57 am

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In post 101, StrangerCoug wrote:
In post 100, beastcharizard wrote:
In post 93, snscompt1 wrote:I do agree with you and a few others but I have disagreed with many points about Charizard.
So Im not just agreeing with everyone
. I do however like to keep an open mind. Im typically not very aggressive and thats why ny votes usually change as idk said. Ive already explained about my RVS statement I believe.

And yes, just like how two players can disagree and still see each other as town, I agree with you yet view you as a possible scum candidate.
So are you saying that you are making opinions just because you don't want to agree with everyone? That comes from a scum mindset. You want to look like you are actually doing something so that we don't figure out you are scum.

VOTE: snscompt1
Holy misrep, beastcharizard. Where the hell do you get that from his post?
The underlined part of the post is what I was talking about.
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Post Post #105 (ISO) » Sun May 04, 2014 8:02 am

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sns quote the post you were replying to. maybe that will help me to better understand your post.
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Post Post #106 (ISO) » Sun May 04, 2014 8:26 am

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In post 91, RedCoyote wrote:
idk 62 wrote:Sns's play looked good up until he said to go back to RVS. Why would we go back to RVS when we already have discussion going on? I've played a few games with sns offsite (with a different username, though, tee hee), so I'm kinda using meta here, as he normally tends to have multiple scumreads and switches between them often. With a couple people he could find suspicious already here, him wanting RVS seems really out of character.
I agree with this.

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sns 26 wrote:^this. Not trying to piggyback but I agree.
sns 84 wrote:As for scum, I dont agree with everyone he said but some of them. RedCoyote
So, in spite of the fact that you "agree" with me, you think I'm a valid candidate for scum? :?

You seem very agreeable with most players, as a matter of fact.

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SC, why did you not address Snarky's ?
In post 92, RedCoyote wrote:EBWOP: To clarify, I agree with idk's insomuch as I disliked sns's "back to RVS" comment. I do not agree that sns' play looked good up until that point.
These two. And yes, I was also referring to what you underlined.
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Post Post #107 (ISO) » Sun May 04, 2014 9:02 am

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RedCoyote: My post was unclear. My list of scum players is all the players that have pinged my scumdar for a reason or another, not just those who have interacted scummily with beast's theory. You are on there because of your post 24, which was a copycat of what Aegor had already said previously.

But I liked your last post, so I remove you and cxinlee from my scumlist for now, cxinlee because of the townslip thing.

StrangerCoug: I'd like to know what's your motivation to continue to argue with Charizard about his theory. I think everybody has formed his opinion on the subject, so what's the point? Why do you think beast is scum because of it, and how all your questions serve to show it?
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Post Post #108 (ISO) » Sun May 04, 2014 9:10 am

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UNVOTE:

Very well. I definitely misunderstood the post.

@Snarky:

What townslip thing?
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Post Post #109 (ISO) » Sun May 04, 2014 9:15 am

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cxinlee post 98. The filled quotes refer to a sentence written by Redcoyote, post 91
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Post Post #110 (ISO) » Sun May 04, 2014 9:19 am

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*failed quotes, not filled
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Post Post #111 (ISO) » Sun May 04, 2014 9:20 am

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In post 107, Snarky wrote:RedCoyote: My post was unclear. My list of scum players is all the players that have pinged my scumdar for a reason or another, not just those who have interacted scummily with beast's theory. You are on there because of your post 24, which was a copycat of what Aegor had already said previously.

But I liked your last post, so I remove you and cxinlee from my scumlist for now, cxinlee because of the townslip thing.

StrangerCoug: I'd like to know what's your motivation to continue to argue with Charizard about his theory. I think everybody has formed his opinion on the subject, so what's the point? Why do you think beast is scum because of it, and how all your questions serve to show it?
Don't remove cxinlee just yet. Regardless of his alignment, due to the nature of my role(which I will not delve into yet), he basically knows I'm town. So yes, sticking up and saying it was a townslip is town, but scum could easily know this and use it to make themselves seem town and get on my side by sticking up for me. I'm not calling scum, I'm simply saying don't rule it out because of that.
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Post Post #112 (ISO) » Sun May 04, 2014 9:40 am

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Nope nope nope nope. Given what he knows about me he should've thought of me as scum, yet he defended me as town.

UNVOTE
VOTE cxinlee


Cxinlee, if you'd care to explain a little without revealing too much that'd be great.
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Post Post #113 (ISO) » Sun May 04, 2014 9:50 am

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I'm not ruling anyone out, I just don't like having too much potential scum to pursue, so I try to focus on some by POE. I'm not sure I understand the rest of your argument, however. If you just say "yeah, he might still be scum because scum tries to appear town", I agree with you, but it's kind of WIFOMy, and I don't see why you feel the need to bring that out.

Also, how is the townslip in any way related to you? RedCoyote made it...

EBWOP: This post refers to your before last post. I don't get at all your last post. Care to explain more clearly your train of thought for voting cxinlee (without revealing those "details")?
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Post Post #114 (ISO) » Sun May 04, 2014 9:56 am

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In post 104, beastcharizard wrote:
In post 101, StrangerCoug wrote:
In post 100, beastcharizard wrote:
In post 93, snscompt1 wrote:I do agree with you and a few others but I have disagreed with many points about Charizard.
So Im not just agreeing with everyone
. I do however like to keep an open mind. Im typically not very aggressive and thats why ny votes usually change as idk said. Ive already explained about my RVS statement I believe.

And yes, just like how two players can disagree and still see each other as town, I agree with you yet view you as a possible scum candidate.
So are you saying that you are making opinions just because you don't want to agree with everyone? That comes from a scum mindset. You want to look like you are actually doing something so that we don't figure out you are scum.

VOTE: snscompt1
Holy misrep, beastcharizard. Where the hell do you get that from his post?
The underlined part of the post is what I was talking about.
Obviously. But how do you get "I don't want to agree with everyone" from "I'm not just agreeing with everyone?" There's an important difference between those two.
In post 107, Snarky wrote:StrangerCoug: I'd like to know what's your motivation to continue to argue with Charizard about his theory. I think everybody has formed his opinion on the subject, so what's the point?
Because he kept talking about it and it took him awhile to get the memo that we don't like it.
In post 107, Snarky wrote:Why do you think beast is scum because of it, and how all your questions serve to show it?
It's outright destructive to make assumptions without evidence, and he was playing with the theory in lieu of actual scumhunting. While I don't feel comfortable with the "we're going back to my theory on the first indication that it's right" post that he made when he finally decided to drop it, that's much more forgivable.

This was missed, and I only noticed it because it was quoted:
In post 91, RedCoyote wrote:SC, why did you not address Snarky's ?
I simply do not feel threatened by the vote, as I saw nothing wrong with my actions.
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Post Post #115 (ISO) » Sun May 04, 2014 10:01 am

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In post 113, Snarky wrote:I'm not ruling anyone out, I just don't like having too much potential scum to pursue, so I try to focus on some by POE. I'm not sure I understand the rest of your argument, however. If you just say "yeah, he might still be scum because scum tries to appear town", I agree with you, but it's kind of WIFOMy, and I don't see why you feel the need to bring that out.

Also, how is the townslip in any way related to you? RedCoyote made it...

EBWOP: This post refers to your before last post. I don't get at all your last post. Care to explain more clearly your train of thought for voting cxinlee (without revealing those "details")?
No, the townslip was mine which Coyote questioned and cxinlee then claimed it as a townslip.
I cant go further into detail yet, I want to hear what he has to say. And depending on what he says I will reveal part of my role.
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Post Post #116 (ISO) » Sun May 04, 2014 1:35 pm

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In post 112, snscompt1 wrote:Nope nope nope nope. Given what he knows about me he should've thought of me as scum, yet he defended me as town.

UNVOTE
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Cxinlee, if you'd care to explain a little without revealing too much that'd be great.
Who defended you as town?

I explained already, which part didn't you get?
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Post Post #117 (ISO) » Sun May 04, 2014 2:08 pm

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You said my second post was a town slip.

Im asking why you thought it was a town slip compared to a scum slip.
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Post Post #118 (ISO) » Sun May 04, 2014 2:59 pm

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In post 91, RedCoyote wrote:I don't agree with this, and I don't think Aegor would agree with this characterization either. I don't wish to speak for Aegor, but I would be hardpressed to believe that he absolutely doesn't believe in setup speculation. And I don't know where you get "against everyone" from. That's over-the-top.
You are correct.


Anyway, not feeling good about SiX's posts, which are generally non-committal but also involve no actual scumhunting.

VOTE: SiX[/post]

But still not liking NS' posting, especially the accusation that RC was defending BC (and that this is somehow scummy).
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Post Post #119 (ISO) » Sun May 04, 2014 3:33 pm

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You may want to fix the tags, Aegor.
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Post Post #120 (ISO) » Sun May 04, 2014 3:40 pm

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VOTE: SiX
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Post Post #121 (ISO) » Sun May 04, 2014 4:44 pm

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Yup, Six reminds me of Awesomeusername in Board Games mafia.

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Post Post #122 (ISO) » Sun May 04, 2014 6:29 pm

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:: VoteCount 1x2 ::


beastcharizard (3)
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StrangerCoug, Paschendale, idk

SiX (3)
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RedCoyote, Aegor, Porkens

snscompt1 (2)
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snscompt1

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cxinlee, beastcharizard


With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.


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Post Post #123 (ISO) » Mon May 05, 2014 6:38 am

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NS 95 wrote:If you defended beast any harder......
I don't know if I'd characterize it as "defending", but I guess you could put it that way.

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cxinlee 96 wrote:Could you elaborate? Both of his posts are just fluff so far.
Using random.org to vote, as has been brought up, is scummy. His response to sns calling him out was a joke, but sns brought up a serious point. Why not engage sns either positively or negatively? It seemed like he was dodging the issue.
cxinless 98 wrote:seems like a town slip, because the setup is actually nightless.
Oh, good point. I hadn't considered that. Yeah, I'm good with sns now.

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SiX 102 wrote:That was obviously an unserious vote in case you didn't notice.
If it wasn't serious, why did you trouble yourself to use random.org? Why didn't you just pick a name yourself? Why did you ignore sns' valid criticism?

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Snarky 107 wrote:RedCoyote: My post was unclear. My list of scum players is all the players that have pinged my scumdar for a reason or another, not just those who have interacted scummily with beast's theory. You are on there because of your post 24, which was a copycat of what Aegor had already said previously.

But I liked your last post, so I remove you and cxinlee from my scumlist for now, cxinlee because of the townslip thing.
Understood. I also agree with you about cxinlee.

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sns 111 wrote:Don't remove cxinlee just yet. Regardless of his alignment, due to the nature of my role(which I will not delve into yet), he basically knows I'm town. So yes, sticking up and saying it was a townslip is town, but scum could easily know this and use it to make themselves seem town and get on my side by sticking up for me. I'm not calling scum, I'm simply saying don't rule it out because of that.
Here we go...

Why did you drop this out so early? Also, I see a supposed contradiction that you need to clear up.
  • sns 111 wrote:due to the nature of my role [...] he basically knows I'm town
    sns 112 wrote: Given what he knows about me he should've thought of me as scum
These two statements contradict one another, I think.

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Snarky 113 wrote:Also, how is the townslip in any way related to you? RedCoyote made it...
As I understand it, cxinlee was referring to the person I was referencing in that quote (sns) as the person that committed the townslip. Whereas I thought it was scummy for him to consider scumtalk in the way he did, cxinlee argues that it should be seen as a townslip that sns didn't realize there can't be "night talk" between scum in this game.

Kind of confusing, I know, lol. If you go back and read the appropriate posts, it should be more clear though.
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Post Post #124 (ISO) » Mon May 05, 2014 6:49 am

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Oh I'm sorry for making a joke in the first place. I didn't know that joking page 1 would be reason for lynch *sarcasm* - I have to point my sarcasm out aswell?
And why the heck would I've to answer something as stupid as cnscompt1's reply? It's page 1, R1 chill for once. Not everything is serious in life, geez.
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