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SpyreX wrote:Lets be clear:

You think Bogre is
a.) Mafia
b.) SK
c.) Cult

equal chances of a and c, have never really tried to differentiate cult scum from other type of scum, not b too many other sk candidates.

would make an educated guess @ C though.

what make you "think" Bogre is cult?

which post?

not one in particular. If cult he's more concerned about his survival than anything else, I get a sense that this is the case from reading his posts. He also seems to be less agressive Day 2 than he was day 1, IMO. Which could be an indication of being culted.

The level of activity here is poor. We want a lynch today, and Zazie is not the right lynch.

It should be noted that if Spyrex is telling the truth (and if he's not there's no reason to think there's a cult), there was no culting night 1, so arguments which rely on people's play changing today are bad.

Yeh, I'm a retard who forgot that.

Ok, so my theory was wrong. And Mufasa is now an obv town to me, at least for now.

3 days before the deadline, we need to make decision. Zaz lynch isn't happening in my opinion.

Preferable lynch for today:

His voting pattern on D1 is giving me gut not-town signals (could be another scum or the cult member), and his quick vote on Bogre, when BC voted him seems really suspicious to me.

I really do believe in a Zaz lynch , but since thats not happening, I don't like the way faraday has been voting either.

Faraday wrote: Clearly if it was as much as anyone in the game I'd roll a die and let randomness decide, now wouldn't I? If you don't believe I have reasons i.e. gut and i'm making it up as I go along then fair enough, but to suggest I'm voting randomly is stupid.

I guess my point is that you are saying you think Bogre has a high chance of being scum, but you have neglected to point out any posts that even "activate" your gut feelings, basically, you have no case against him. It feels like your case is just fluff, or non existant.... well... it is, you haven't given a case.

Faraday wrote: It

may

be a scum tell? It's probably a pretty good one in general I'd say, but I disagree w/ the accusation.

Care to expand?

Faraday wrote: I suggest the mod is screwing with him? Uhm..it's a bastard game, of course I suggest that. IMO you don't understand the definition of fishing, he's already claimed his damn role, so what exactly am I fishing?

Regardless of him semi-claiming, i don't think we need to know anymore information about it. And it seems as if you must disagree. Just because it's a bastard game, doesn't mean you have to try and discredit Fishy.

Faraday wrote: 'At least they do to me' oh lawdy well you should trust your own opinion.

Well, even if it's just me i would still like other players opinions on the matter.

Fishythefish wrote:
It should be noted that if Spyrex is telling the truth (and if he's not there's no reason to think there's a cult), there was no culting night 1, so arguments which rely on people's play changing today are bad.

What do you mean about Spyre telling the truth? Can you link to the post for me please? I ISO'd him and couldn't exactly put my finger on the post that would describe what you were/are saying.
-Thanks

BloodCovenent wrote:What do you mean about Spyre telling the truth? Can you link to the post for me please? I ISO'd him and couldn't exactly put my finger on the post that would describe what you were/are saying.
-Thanks

SpyreX wrote:Now, I know this is going to sound a little weird but: I'm not sure if Zaz is the right call right now.

Keep in mind I'm pretty damn positive Zaz is scum but allow me to with the magic of paraphrasing explain why I think we need to find the cult NOW and get rid of it:

I am a strong townie. Even with the bad nightmares and everything else going on I had the power to keep dreamland going etc, etc. (and weirdness in my wincon I didn't pay attention to until today started).

But, I didn't have any powers that I saw.

Until last night when a monster tried to grab me and

go with him

and I pulled free and ran away.

So, yea. Considering we had kills there is a cult. They were unsuccessful last night. Which means at MOST we are dealing with two.

However, in this situation the scumkill (considering we've had 3 killed) might even be BETTER to have than to get rid of until this is dealt with.

The bolded means that there was a cult attempt on SpyreX last night.

Thanks, I missed that line.

Col.Cathart wrote:]

His voting pattern on D1 is giving me gut not-town signals (could be another scum or the cult member), and his quick vote on Bogre, when BC voted him seems really suspicious to me.

Why is that suspicious?

BloodCovenent wrote:

Unvote:
Vote: Faraday

I read an ISO of Faraday, and he gives me iffy vibes. Not really liking him right now. Mostly a gut read though.

I guess my point is that you are saying you think Bogre has a high chance of being scum, but you have neglected to point out any posts that even "activate" your gut feelings, basically, you have no case against him. It feels like your case is just fluff, or non existant.... well... it is, you haven't given a case.

And I guess my point is I give you iffy vibes but you have neglected to point out any posts that even activate your iffy vibes, Basically you have no case against me. It feels like your case is just fluff, or non existant...well..it is, you haven't given a case.

C wut i did der? Your questioning me on my lack of case when you haven't given one of your own. In fact you've done pretty much what I've done with my vote, in not give reasons, yet it's scummy for me to not give reasons but okay for you.

Care to expand?

On what? Pretty fucking clear imo.

Regardless of him semi-claiming, i don't think we need to know anymore information about it. And it seems as if you must disagree. Just because it's a bastard game, doesn't mean you have to try and discredit Fishy.

Wat. 1) where am I fishing. 2) Where did I discredit fishy in any way. Isn't he the paranoid/insane cop so..what have I done to discredit him? Are you making this up as you go along or something?

Bogre's posting in other games but hasn't posted here in a week.

Mufasa wrote:I really do believe in a Zaz lynch , but since thats not happening, I don't like the way faraday has been voting either.

unvote vote faraday

lurk moar btw.

@Faraday : who is a better lynch than you?

Tjoe Min Ja wrote:

vote faraday

@Faraday : who is a better lynch than you?

Erm, from my point of view pretty much everyone since I know I'm town.

Bogre/BC/Data are all better lynches than me though.

Faraday wrote:

BloodCovenent wrote:

Unvote:
Vote: Faraday

I read an ISO of Faraday, and he gives me iffy vibes. Not really liking him right now. Mostly a gut read though.

I guess my point is that you are saying you think Bogre has a high chance of being scum, but you have neglected to point out any posts that even "activate" your gut feelings, basically, you have no case against him. It feels like your case is just fluff, or non existant.... well... it is, you haven't given a case.

And I guess my point is I give you iffy vibes but you have neglected to point out any posts that even activate your iffy vibes, Basically you have no case against me. It feels like your case is just fluff, or non existant...well..it is, you haven't given a case.

C wut i did der? Your questioning me on my lack of case when you haven't given one of your own. In fact you've done pretty much what I've done with my vote, in not give reasons, yet it's scummy for me to not give reasons but okay for you.

Riiiight

That's because part of my case is based on people reading you in ISO. Whether or not they do that, is up to them. Nowhere in your posts do you mention that Bogre is
You mention Bogre here, but only specify that he is pinging your gut. Zazie then asks you shortly after if you can expand on that read, and you say that you would have to do an ISO, have you done your ISO yet? Other than that, around two weeks goes by before you really mention Bogre again. When he does come around this next time, you said that you didn't know he was still around. Why weren't you paying attention to one of your "lead" suspects? Then you still vote Bogre based on nothing. There is my extended case on you. I expect a full rebuttal soon.

Faraday wrote:

Care to expand?

On what? Pretty fucking clear imo.

Well, you don't think that scum-tell applies to your situation, where as I do. Can you at least point out several posts of yours where you are scum hunting?

Faraday wrote:

Regardless of him semi-claiming, i don't think we need to know anymore information about it. And it seems as if you must disagree. Just because it's a bastard game, doesn't mean you have to try and discredit Fishy.

Wat. 1) where am I fishing. 2) Where did I discredit fishy in any way. Isn't he the paranoid/insane cop so..what have I done to discredit him? Are you making this up as you go along or something?

Will get to that last part shortly. I have to get to class :X
-Then study for a test, then take the test
-Then read for a class....
-Next post should be up tonight :X

Fishythefish wrote:

Tjoe Min Ja wrote:

Fishythefish wrote: whoot: Likely town, given claim that I am town. Doesn't read like he's faking it.

@Fishy & faraday : which post?

whoot1234 wrote:Fishythefish is town, I believe what he has to say, and I have rolebased info to do so, lynch Zazier, dayvig seraphim sounds like a plan.

whoot1234 wrote:Yes i am 100% sure. He is Town alligned

These don't sound like the kind of things you say as scum about a cop with unknown sanity and unknown information.

Disagreed. I can see a reason why scum would say this.
At this moment, I can only see one role which makes Whoot say this. But I really doubt that Whoot has it.

Bogre wrote:

Col.Cathart wrote:

ZazieR wrote:

Mufasa wrote:I believe whoot being town as well, he has a strong cop tell, from his posts thus far.
Zazier who do you believe is Scum?

Data is SK.
BC, Faraday and Whoot are scummy.
2/3 players I'm not sure about. The others are town.

What makes you think so much that Data is SK?

What makes you think he isn't ?

Damnit, forgot the name of the fallacy >.<
But this quote shows CC asking something, of which Bogre makes it appear that CC disagrees with me saying that Data is the SK.

SpyreX wrote:Because, you didn't? As that whole wagon went up you were just poking at the lynch. I really don't want to have to go through the volley of posts to further eludicate this but if I have to I will when I have time.

You were skating on that lynch and X's whole last post reeked of you being the one he was talking about.

Everytime X_~ posted, I reminded him to answer my questions and if needed, I stated what I liked (if that ever happened) and disliked about his new posts.
If you know something else I can do about X_~ while he's lurking, please state them. Because I have no idea, other than to wait for him to re-appear and to prod him.

SpyreX wrote:You started out on X under the guise of "gut".
THEN you posted some rationale for him being scum.
Now, this was the point when I went "slam dunk bus" was when you went BACK to adding in additional "gut" for said lynch.

Look at this post. After you've done that, state the above again. If you can state it without admitting afterwards that it's not true, you didn't check the links.
My main suspicions came from those posts. Add then that he did everything he could to avoid them and lied about it as well. Then came some suspicions from posts he made later on. Between these suspicions, there are some bits of gut.

SpyreX wrote:You haven't had a strong case on anyone. You've been volley-posting with suspicions that you let simmer and then came back to X each time he returned to the topic.

Fixed it for you.
X_~ was my main suspicion. During the times he was absent, I focused on my smaller suspicions and pointed out posts I didn't like with reasons. When X_~ returned, I remembered him each time of the questions and analysed his posts.

Hoping that you'll paraphrase the claimed 'qualifier' in your wincon.

SpyreX wrote:The 2-2 split is simply that a 3-3-Vig-Cult would be balls to balance in any fashion in 20.

There was once a player called ZazieR at MS. That player is now reminding SpyreX of the time that he awesomely won due to attacking his claimed miller mafia buddy in a game that had two scumteams. One with three mafia members and the other with four.
(Also, you're forgetting the SK)

SpyreX wrote:I don't even know what to think about Tjoe and Data's little snipe when whoot all but beat us over the head with the fact he's the cop.

Why bring up that you think Whoot is a powerrole?

Bogre wrote:You do realize we need to consider the possibility of you as an SK, as well?

CC is not the SK.
Do you have reason to believe that he is?

- click please
Seriously, should I start counting how many times you've ignored it? Please answer this question as well:
Why have you ignored my questions for so long?

Oh, wait. You haven't ignored only my questions as evidenced by this:

Raivann wrote:

Mufasa wrote:Are cult members informed when they are recruited? I don't have any previous meta on cult recruits and dont recall games I played with cults.

But I vary much agree with the dayvig or Raivan, and the lynch of Zazier. Because If you guys are correct about the Raivann being a cult leader, or if there being a cult at all that'd be a good place to touch up on. But Zazier is one pushy ****. Very aggressive this game, I feel that that is a good place for a lynch looking at the game layout right now.

vote: Zazier

Why do you agree with dayvig of me?
I was saying on day 1 that your claim was believable(because my role was similiar)

Alot of us had you pegged as town after your claim, and I think that you would have made a good cult recruit.

I also think this post of yours reeks of someone who just got culted.

Please answer that question from Raivann as well.

Mufasa wrote:People who get culted know they are culted?

Well, as their wincon changes and by checking past games that had cults, yes, they do know.