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Post Post #1025 (ISO) » Sun Aug 20, 2006 2:22 pm

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Okay, just got moved back into school.

AmeliaSlay is currently on Vacation/Limited Access, and Ibaesha hasn't posted anywhere on the site since last Thursday. They both don't seem to be here.

Mod: May I ask for a deadline extension, please, to assure all players are present and accounted for?


Also, for when Ibaesha comes back:

Were you
told
if you were role-blocked last night? I think I can already tell the answer by your response to AmeliaSlay earlier, but I would still like clarification.
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Post Post #1026 (ISO) » Sun Aug 20, 2006 5:43 pm

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I am green... and a very busy person this week... I am trying desperately to find time... I apologize. I did notice very large IF AMELIASLAY IS SCUM on the previous page... PJ, am I always scummy to you ;) cause you sure like to assume it... but anyways, yeah... Am I scummy by virtue of being a roleblocker?
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Post Post #1027 (ISO) » Sun Aug 20, 2006 8:25 pm

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Locked in tonight

MBL (??): Red
CES (??): Red

PJ (mayor): green
Amelia (RB): green

Free to move tonight

M-M ("confirmed" tracker): Yellow
Ibby (??): Yellow

Drummer (color cop): blue
MBF (fumigator): blue ("CONFIRMED" innocent by Thok)

thom: green and dead
Fritz: yellow and dead
thok: blue and dead
Pie: red and dead

Probably did not kill N1 N2 N3: CES, MBL
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Post Post #1028 (ISO) » Sun Aug 20, 2006 9:13 pm

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PJ wrote:Lynching scum today means that a kill on M-M would take away one town role (unless he is protected, of course).
I haven't moved M-M into the 100% protown column yet, PJ. Curious that you have. Considering you're not going to exert your "mayoral powers" on today's lynch, I'm not so displeased that you'll be locked in tonight.

There are a few possible reasons for no kill N2:

1) Killers targeted MBL or CES on Red.
2) Pro-town Amelia blocked PJscum.
3) Pro-town Ibby blocked a kill somehow.

==============================

If we lynch Drummer today, M-M, Ibby and MBF should be the only three free to act tonight. Pity we have no idea what MBF's cannisters do or we might think up a devious plan to catch a scum for certain. As it is, I think M-M is somewhat more protown than Ibby, so MBF should probably gas her and M-M should track her. That's just a thought--I don't want to direct actions unless there's a clear best play.

Do we want a roleclaim from Ibby?

Let's say MBF dies tonight. No matter the tracking result it still comes down to M-M's word against Ibby's, and one of them pretty much had to kill. We'll need to know her role then anyway.

If M-M is scum, he'll have to choose between killing MBF and Ibby tonight unless one's his partner. I suppose Ibby giving out her role could help him make that decision, but either way we're quite possibly going to have to pick between two people tomorrow to decide which killed who. It might make sense to get Ibby's info now in case a) she's town and dies tonight or b) her info can help us make decisions today.

Ibby, your thoughts on you claiming your role now?

AND if Drummer is scum (and MBF town), there's a 33% chance that his two scumpartners are both locked in tonight and there'll be no kill. That would be fortunate.
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Post Post #1029 (ISO) » Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:27 am

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MrBuddyLee wrote:I haven't moved M-M into the 100% protown column yet, PJ. Curious that you have.
What the Hell? Why are you directing this at
me
? Have you bothered reading the rest of the game?

Here's what people have been saying about M-M today:
PJ wrote:Based on information, I think MBF is innocent (he has been investigated innocent, and his ability has been proven on me) and Machiavellian-Mafia (investigated ability, the note on D1 confirming his ability, and gut feeling) is innocent.
CES wrote:My list:
Drummer, obv. If he's town, then so is Amelia. I have trouble believing that.
Amelia, the Drummer connection.
MBL, could well be the third man.
Ibaesha, looking pretty pro-town.
Notice how MBF, M-M, and myself are not CES's list. Implicit statement that he thinks the three of us are town.
Drummer wrote:MM and Mike--Thok's info made it seem like they're probably good guys.
Oh, here's another person who thinks he's town...
AmeliaSlay wrote:What PJ said yesterday though, kind of clicked. If the claims we have thus far have all been affirmed in some form or fashion, then logically the scum remaining should fall amongst the group Drummer, CES, MBL, and Ibaesha.
Fancy that! Another person not including M-M in their scum list.
Ibaesha wrote:Confirmed ability and alignment: MBF and M-M
... and another.

M-M is a tracker. He claimed early, he was role-blocked twice in a row, and his one result he has been able to give us was correct. No matter what you say, he is
not the lynch today
, so I'm not even going to consider it.

Also, do you have no response to this Post at all?!

1.) I have given numerous arguments against No-Lynching today, and yet in your suggestion of No-Lynching, you did not address
any of them
. For as much as you push your agenda of discussion, you have been lacking in your own responses.

2.) Your plan was
horrible
. Do you agree? And if so, why did you suggest it? From my Point of View, you thought you would throw it out in the air, and if nobody caught the flaw, you could push that agenda, and then when M-M turned up dead tomorrow, you go "Oh damn, I didn't even
consider
that, sorry everybody" and then nobody could blame you because
they
didn't point out the flaw either. At which point the only thing we will have accomplished is put ourselves in a real LyLo situation and taken away the possibility for me to prove my role (which has also mysteriously happened
today
, hmm).

I was really expecting you to give
some
sort of response to my response, and yet you have failed to do so. I am
really
starting to think you are scum doing everything in your power to stall a Drummer-lynch. With four days until deadline, this looks like flailing and distractions to me.

"I know we're at deadline, but wait, wait! How about we color claim? But we need to discuss it first. How about we role-claim? But we need to discuss it first. How about we No-Lynch? But we need to discuss it first. How about I just claim? We need to discuss it first. Should Ibby claim by her lonesome? But we need to discuss it first. Should we make a plan for tonight? But we need to discuss it first."

And then
BAM
, suddenly we are thrown into a No-Lynch because we're too busy discussing and nobody is voting.

Here's my answer from now on:

No. We have a deadline. We have
plenty
of information. Why have Ibby today if we're probably going to have her claim tomorrow anyways? Chances are we're going to mass-claim tomorrow, so by your own logic, everybody might as well claim now. But that's just a waste of time.

Ibby's claim will not affect my lynch choice today (unless I think she is fake-claiming, obviously), and I think the only thing it will do is give scum information. Sure, it will give the town some information, but it's not information we will be able to really
use
until tomorrow anyways. Giving the scum a more perfect view of the set-up is only going to make sure they know what is the optimal play for tonight.

The only thing I am interested in knowing right now is if Ibaesha was told if she was role-blocked last night. After that, I fully expect a Drummerscum lynch.
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Post Post #1030 (ISO) » Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:01 am

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PJ wrote:I am really starting to think you are scum doing everything in your power to stall a Drummer-lynch. With four days until deadline, this looks like flailing and distractions to me.
Earth to PJ. In my recent posts I discussed scenarios for night actions tonight that assumed Drummer was getting lynched. I've been asking him tough questions all day including 1013 and particularly 1017. You know, my post that ended with:
MBL wrote:Dude, you(Drummer) claim to have investigated M-M night 3. You got yellow, he said he was on yellow Day one. You knew your sanity. Something is not right with you.

All these quotes lead me to believe you're scum. Quite possibly with Amelia and CES.
What the hell are you talking about, PJ? Is this a kneejerk response to the fact that I spotted a post where you made the assumption that M-M was town?
PJ wrote:
MBL wrote:I haven't moved M-M into the 100% protown column yet, PJ. Curious that you have.
What the Hell? Why are you directing this at me? Have you bothered reading the rest of the game? Here's what people have been saying about M-M today
PJ, there's a big difference between what you said, which basically assumed as fact that M-M was town, and what the people you cited said, which was to either leave M-M off a list of likely scum or to state that he's not the lynch today. It may have been careless nothings by you, PJ, but careless nothings is how we catch scum around here and you really shouldn't chastise me for pointing out your slip.

As for your comments on the nightaction plan I listed earlier, I posted that to point out that if we knew who was locked in and who wasn't that maybe we could guarantee a scum catch tonight. Obviously with people locked in (like Amelia) no plan I could give at the time would be guaranteed to work. It wasn't intended as an exact roadmap to follow, and I find it bizarre that you'd press that avenue.

I'll reread some of what you're pointing to in your previous post, but I do note that you kinda blew your stack when I pointed out your slip. There's nothing concrete to base guesses that you and M-M are protown. MBF--we have a Thok result to back him up, but he could still be a godfather of some kind. Not sure I see that as likely though. But yeah, you're trying to get us to focus on confirming your ability and not your alignment lately, and I'm more interested in your alignment obviously.
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Post Post #1031 (ISO) » Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:12 am

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MBL, although you
have
mentioned that you think Drummer is scum, you have
also
given a plan where we simply have AmeliaSlay role-block Drummer so that he magically won't kill. I pointed out why I think that is completely stupid [flaw being that three night actions you proposed rely on M-M being alive on Day Five].

My
reaction
is this:

I have already made it explicitly clear that I think M-M is town. This is by no means 100%, but I am working on today under the mindset that M-M is town, because there is simply so much evidence supporting that conclusion. I play the odds: chances are monumental that M-M is town. If he is scum, he pulled one of the riskiest gambits I have
ever
seen in the history of Mafia. That would incude claiming an information role early in the game without pressure to move the game along (and at the time, being a fairly new player, which makes it even
less
likely that he was lying), claiming to be blocked two nights in a row (which makes sense as the only claimed investigative results), having three different people confirming him [the note-maker, Thok, and recently Drummer confirming his Floor], as well as having a confirmed ability today. If you want to make the argument that he could be scum, be my guest, but chances are I (and others) aren't really going to listen.

Also, I didn't "slip" because there are no "slips" to be had. I think M-M is town. That's not a crime, that's my opinion. Others
have
said the same thing. The fact that you directed your question explicitly at me is something I don't like, when others have done the same.

You also seem to have a recent penchant for the word "bizarre". Funny how I don't like the fact that:

1.) You roadmapped for scum on Day One
2.) You are roadmapping for scum again on Day Four

So
yeah
, I'm suspicious of you. What do you want me to do? "Oh, well, MBL basically made a plan that would be perfect for scum, guess I'll just forget it and prance around in the tulips." No. I'm going to poke you about it, because I don't think it should just be dropped. This is by no means the first time you have made a bad suggestion to the town. It seems like your reponse is always:

"I was trying to generate discussion."

The
problem
with that is if nobody catches onto the fact that your plans are
bad
, nobody can put any blame on you afterwards because they didn't catch the flaws. And when somebody
does
point out the flaw, you just come back and say "well, that's why I wanted to discuss it, no harm done." You can't keep doing that forever, because all it takes it
one bad plan
to lose a game. "I was trying to generate discussion" is a
catch-all defense for bad actions
, and I'm not going to let it continually slide.

Guess what? Mafia
is
base guesses, with incomplete information. That's the very definition of playing Mafia. And right now, I am so positive that M-M is town I will personally send you $5.00 somehow (you just send me your address or something) if I am wrong, and I will nominate M-M for a scummy, because if he is scum, he has me damned fooled. End of story.

Further, there are no ways to "confirm alignments" right now. The only way to
do
that is to
catch scum
, and that's what I'm trying to do. Of course I would
like
to confirm my ability: that would kind of... you know... help you
understand that I am town
. Fact is, everybody likes having their ability confirmed, and the same goes for me. If I catch a chance to confirm my ability later in the game with no harm to the town, you can bet I'll do it, because that gives the town more information than it has before (namely, the fact that I'm not bullshitting you).

I think Drummer is scum, and by extension, that there is a good chance Amelia is scum (although I am not so confident that I am going to get myself stuck into a preconception of this, since I know I will be alive tomorrow, where I may change my mind with new information). I want to see Drummer lynched today, and not a No-Lynch, which is exactly where I think this game is headed if we keep at the current pace.
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Post Post #1032 (ISO) » Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:17 am

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PJ, what do you think of the flavor Amelia gave us accompanying her role?
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Post Post #1033 (ISO) » Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:24 am

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Amelia's claim sounds like a disgruntled person, which would be perfect for scum. I think CES said scum were "Anti-Simon Operatives". Amelia claimed to come to the tournament as an advertiser, but that she was denied (or something, I can't remember off-hand), and that she found a key.

And now she is locking people in their own rooms because she is disgruntled.

So yeah, it sounds like a scum role. Remember toki's claim in Jelly (feeling lonely, etc.)? Turned out scum. I'm thinking the same principles apply here. Right now, my plan of action (if I had to map it out) is to lynch Drummer today, and lynch AmeliaSlay tomorrow (barring new information), and then worry about the third scum after that [by which point the town may have gained an extra lynch if scum are blocked, target somebody protected, or end up being locked in their rooms due to locked floors, or what have you). I am not shy in saying I am currently thinking the third scum is you, but I'm not so narrow-minded that my opinion won't change, which is why I would rather save that particular for later in the game, since I know I don't have to give a firm decision today.
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Post Post #1034 (ISO) » Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:46 am

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PJ,

First, I agree with you that M-M is more likely than not town. If you look at my observation of your "slip" objectively you'll see it wasn't unreasonable. If you are scum, that could have been a scumtell. It's a minor issue compared to other things going on, it's noted and dropped.

Your obsession with my "ROADMAPZ 4 SCUM ZOMG" is irking me. You seem to conveniently be ignoring the gist of my post in question, summarized in the last sentence:
MBL wrote:We should discuss the possibility of no-lynch and color claim. Since whoever's on red and green will be locked in, we can't rely on their night actions going through, but we don't know who we can't count on right now.
Any proposed plan is totally moot unless we know who has night actions and who doesn't. I said as much right there, indicating that my plan was purely hypothetical and that maybe we should color claim and see if there's a way to win by blocking/tracking etc. I'm glad you pointed out the flaws in the hypothetical, but honestly it wasn't going to get railroaded through without discussion to find the flaws and fine-tune it once we knew who wasn't locked in.

But even then, let's assume that Ibby and Amelia were switched. Drummer, MBF on Blue, M-M and Amelia on Yellow. My plan was to have MBF post restrict M-M, M-M track Amelia, Amelia block Drummer.

If M-M dies (your worst case scenario), we know either MBF or Amelia is scum, since a protown Amelia would have blocked Drummer. MBF is "confirmed" so it'd be Amelia.

More importantly, let's focus on what to do today to try and guarantee a win. Ibby, we need to hear from you. If your action tonight or your previous results can help us, now is the time to say so. If you think it's best you not reveal, it would be good to at least hear a general reasoning of why.

I'd also like to see the four people not locked in tonight suggest plans of action for lynch and tonight.
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Post Post #1035 (ISO) » Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:54 am

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I still don't think Amelia is scum, and I'm really becoming suspicious of PJ too. His refusal to acknowledge that here were two roleblockings each night is irksome, and his theory or targetting red floors seems to be a red herring. I think he's attempting to sacrifice Drummer just so he can mislead the town's
next
lynch instead. Or maybe Drummer himself is innocent. But if that's the case, then I'm pretty sure that the group is PJ, Ibby, and CES
I'd also like to see the four people not locked in tonight suggest plans of action for lynch and tonight.
This include me? Hell, I dunno. If we lynch Drummer then I'll probably target Ibby, since she's the only person that I suspect who isn't locked out.
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Post Post #1036 (ISO) » Mon Aug 21, 2006 1:25 pm

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Mod: May I ask for a deadline extension, please, to assure all players are present and accounted for?
I second this motion


Also THANK GOD that Amelia won't be blocking me tonight.

Also I'd have no problem of lynching Drummer today and then track Ibby tonight, though I would love to hear from Ibby and getting a color and role claim from her.
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Post Post #1037 (ISO) » Mon Aug 21, 2006 1:58 pm

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MBL wrote:Your obsession with my "ROADMAPZ 4 SCUM ZOMG" is irking me.
And
your
obsession with downplaying roadmaps for scum is irking
me
. Townspeople have no reason to give roadmaps, plain and simple. I think I mentioned it before, but take a glance at Back to Gambits II. I made a roadmap for scum on Day One. I came under fire from it. I tried to explain it away along the lines of "I was trying to see the reactions and get discussion, as well as explain why mass-claiming was bad".

And guess what? I was scum. And I was backpedaling. Go figure! I'm suspicious of you, because it looks like you are doing the
exact same thing
. Experience is the best teacher. If you are seriously town, you need to
stop playing like that
because it does
not
help towns, no matter how much you think it does. If you're scum, fine, your best move is obviously to downplay it, but don't expect me to magically forget about it.
MBL wrote:More importantly, let's focus on what to do today to try and guarantee a win. Ibby, we need to hear from you. If your action tonight or your previous results can help us, now is the time to say so. If you think it's best you not reveal, it would be good to at least hear a general reasoning of why.
That's what I'm trying to do: for a town to secure a win, you must lynch scum. I have been trying to do exactly that consistently throughout the game.

And something else just hit me over the head rather hard.

If my guess at the scumgroup is correct [Drummer, Amelia, MBL] their play today makes perfect sense. Because MBL is in
Red
, and Amelia is in
Green
. And the locked Floors tonight are
Red
and
Green
.

Fancy that! If Drummer is lynched and that is the scum-group, the scum
won't be able to kill tonight
. I am now
much
more worried at MBL's suggestion of No-Lynch, and I am that much more convinced that Drummer needs to go today.

Also:
MBL wrote:If you are scum, that could have been a scumtell.
What kind of statement is that? I can rebut just the same:
MBL wrote:If I am town, that could not have been a scumtell. Hooray for non-statements!
Here's another thing I noticed:
MBL wrote:Free to move tonight

M-M ("confirmed" tracker): Yellow
Ibby (??): Yellow

Drummer (color cop): blue
MBF (fumigator): blue ("CONFIRMED" innocent by Thok)
So now
you're
taking people at their word.

1.) You believe each color claim
2.) Even though Ibaesha has not color claimed, you are assuming she is in Yellow. This is based on the assumption that the rooms are assigned 3-3-3-3. Granted, I find that the most
likely
scenario, but I wouldn't slide Ibby in the Yellow column until she actually claims, however:
VitaminR wrote:Here's why I am against floor-claiming:
My room number deviates from the expected 4 neat groups of 3.

Can we move on now?
So perhaps this game isn't as predictable as one would think.

Talk about slips. Perhaps you already
know
if Ibaesha is in Yellow.

Also, M-M, although I think Ibby may as well color claim, I don't think she should role-claim at this time.
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Post Post #1038 (ISO) » Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:11 pm

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PJ wrote:Amelia's claim sounds like a disgruntled person, which would be perfect for scum. I think CES said scum were "Anti-Simon Operatives". Amelia claimed to come to the tournament as an advertiser, but that she was denied (or something, I can't remember off-hand), and that she found a key.

And now she is locking people in their own rooms because she is disgruntled.
This makes sense to me. The flavor aligns. The mafia might have a few different ways to disrupt everyone. Killings, roleblockings. Hm.

I also don't think that we've slowed down enough to warrant a deadline either. At least, not just lately. Extension would be nice.

Also,
Unvote:CES
. I think that was just my anger getting a hold of me. You know I don't really think you're a moron, CES. :P I still don't get your logic though.

I'm thinking about voting MBL again. I'm getting really suspicious of him. I don't know if I want to though, because if there's only 2 scum left and we lynch the other, MBL will be locked in tonight and won't be able to kill. Of course, that's if we DO lynch scum today.

All of those who want to lynch me...I don't know what you're thinking. Why would there *not* be a color cop in a game like this? Perhaps you think that checking out MM was not a good idea. I felt that confirming him in the best way I knew how was an okay move. But how would a careless mistake make me scummy?

Also:
MBF wrote:
Drummer wrote:
MBL wrote:I was also somewhat surprised that Drummer was able to target me with his ability night 2, considering I'm on a locked floor.
WOAH! You're right, that's screwed up. I cannot explain this.


I can.
Vote Drummer
Okay. Do you and MM want to explain how this makes me scummy? Obviously I *do* have the ability and I *did* get through the door. How else would I have known his floor, hm? All I can guess is that MBL unlocked his door somehow. Or maybe there's another player that can unlock a door each night or something(far-fetched). But if I did have locked-door penetration abilities, I probably would have been able to get out of my own room N1, don't ya think?

So yeah, I'd really like you to explain how it's so incredibly scummy.
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Post Post #1039 (ISO) » Mon Aug 21, 2006 3:56 pm

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Are you on crack today, PJ?
PJ wrote:If my guess at the scumgroup is correct [Drummer, Amelia, MBL] their play today makes perfect sense. Because MBL is in Red, and Amelia is in Green. And the locked Floors tonight are Red and Green.

Fancy that! If Drummer is lynched and that is the scum-group, the scum won't be able to kill tonight. I am now much more worried at MBL's suggestion of No-Lynch, and I am that much more convinced that Drummer needs to go today.
I've been pushing Drummer's lynch. If Amelia and I are scum together, we won't be able to kill with Drummerscum dead. How is this in my best interests?
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Post Post #1040 (ISO) » Mon Aug 21, 2006 3:59 pm

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You're pushing for Drummer's lynch while (so far as I am concerned) trying to make sure the town actually ends up with a No-Lynch. It has nothing to do with "being on crack", it has to do with the fact that you are saying one thing, but seemingly doing another.
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Post Post #1041 (ISO) » Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:08 pm

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Drummer wrote:
PJ wrote:Amelia's claim sounds like a disgruntled person, which would be perfect for scum. I think CES said scum were "Anti-Simon Operatives". Amelia claimed to come to the tournament as an advertiser, but that she was denied (or something, I can't remember off-hand), and that she found a key.

And now she is locking people in their own rooms because she is disgruntled.
This makes sense to me. The flavor aligns. The mafia might have a few different ways to disrupt everyone. Killings, roleblockings. Hm.

I'm thinking about voting MBL again. I'm getting really suspicious of him.
I figured I'd take the time to point out this happy nugget of information.

That little blurb you agree with PJ on, up above there? The one that makes you think Ameliaslay is scum? Yeah, I pointed that out twice and you ignored it. Posts 946 and 1032. At least if I'm scum I'm helpful scum, tyvm.

Can you please elaborate on why you're "getting really suspicious of me"? LOL, that sounds so fake. And I won't press you again for info on why you needed to investigate M-M's floor color to determine your alignment. I've had enough laughs for one day.
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Post Post #1042 (ISO) » Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:26 pm

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Why Mistah Jelleh, if I dint know yew bettah ah'd think you was tryin ta hurry mah vote on over ta Mistah Drummahs.

My post 1017 contains one or two pretty damning pieces of evidence against Drummer. I'm not sure how much more you want me to do to try and convince people he's scum. I believe I've also pointed out:

* He claims to have been able to penetrate my locked floor to investigate me
* He pretended to have evidence on me early today in an attempt to run me up to claim
* His stated reasons for investigating M-M weren't logically consistent

The question is, is Amelia even scummier?

The only way I'll vote no-lynch today, as I've stated clearly, is if we have a bulletproof plan in place to block or positively identify scum via night actions.
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Post Post #1043 (ISO) » Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:15 pm

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I've been away for a few days and need to catch up on several games. Post within 24 hours.
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Post Post #1044 (ISO) » Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:21 pm

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m-m wrote:Also THANK GOD that Amelia won't be blocking me tonight.
So apparently you are also of the opinion that there aren't two role blockers. Let me reiterate that I DID NOT block you.
MBF wrote:I still don't think Amelia is scum, and I'm really becoming suspicious of PJ too. His refusal to acknowledge that here were two roleblockings each night is irksome, and his theory or targetting red floors seems to be a red herring. I think he's attempting to sacrifice Drummer just so he can mislead the town's next lynch instead. Or maybe Drummer himself is innocent. But if that's the case, then I'm pretty sure that the group is PJ, Ibby, and CES
I appreciate the vote of confidence! Ditto on the bit about PJ. And, having been the object of PJ's suspicions in a couple of games now...I've noticed that the way he is pursuing his suspicions of me is disimiliar in style to how I've seen him scum hunting before... and it really got me thiinking.
MBL's points about Drummer seem valid... but being set up... I really don't think so (shrug)
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Post Post #1045 (ISO) » Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:55 pm

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Confirm yellow floor.

I was not told I was blocked but have reasonable belief that I was. See below.

I've put a lot of thought into whether I should claim my role or not. At first I thought it wasn't such a good idea, considering what it is. But with the floorclaims out in the open and the floors locked, it might be useful to get what we can out of tonight, even if it spells my death.

I am a First Class Medic. The real and sane doctor. My targets have been: N1 - MM, N2 - MBF, N3 - Thok. Also, I use -bandages-. I do not lock people up to protect them. I patch them up. Now that this is out, I can answer any questions pertaining to it. This should also clear up MBLs question from earlier today about the end of yesterday.

I'll protect M-M tonight. My thoughts about who is scum really hasn't changed from the last time I stated them. I'm good with a Drummer lynch today.
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Post Post #1046 (ISO) » Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:59 pm

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Why'd your protection of Thok fail N3? Roleblock? That sucks. Odd that you weren't told you were locked into your room.

Hmm, it makes more sense that your protect of MBF saved him night 2 instead of my old hypothesis that scum targeted me or CES.

I really really wanna claim but I'm not gonna. :( CES, you wanna claim?

CES and I have been locked in for-evah by our bass-ackwards loser bastard mod.

Amelia RB, MBF fumigator, PJ mayor, Ibby doctor, Drummer color cop, M-M tracker

Claimed roleblock victims:
Ibby night 3 on Thok no details from mod on block
MBF night 3 on MBL. "locked in my room"
Drummer night 1 on Amelia. "locked in my room"
M-M night 1 on Pie, night 2 ???. "locked in my room"

If I was a roleblocking scum, I'd have definitely blocked M-M night one and two. So I don't think he's lying about that. I don't think town would have blocked M-M after his claim, so the only other alternative is that M-M is scum covering for his roleblocking scumpartner. I see that as less likely. So I'm pretty willing to accept that M-M is town who was blocked by scum N1.

This means either

1) Amelia and Drummer are BOTH lying about the N1 block and she actually blocked M-M, or

2) there's a second roleblocker.who's lying about their role, which makes Amelia probably innocent and Drummer's not that roleblocker.

In my opinion, (1) is much more likely.

For some reason scum left M-M alone last night to block Ibby or MBF. This means that either there's a scum rb lying about their role or one of {Ibby, MBF} is lying about being blocked.

Apologies if something's awry--please correct it. It's late.
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Post Post #1047 (ISO) » Mon Aug 21, 2006 10:11 pm

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I am buying Ibby's claim for now, especially since her play at the end of yesterday with fritz claiming doc is consistent with being doc.

However, I think there must be something wrong with all these info we have, I'll try to piece them together in next post.
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Post Post #1048 (ISO) » Tue Aug 22, 2006 5:40 am

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Hmm. So the claimed night actions:

Night One

*Day: Note on door, proclaiming all claims so far truthful
*Day: Shamrock investigated MikeBurnFire [Innocent]

AmeliaSlay claims to have blocked Drummer [Drummer verifies being locked in]
Machiavellian-Mafia claims to being locked in

MikeBurnFire targeted The_Holy_Thom with gas
Ibaesha protected Machiavellian-Mafia
Fritzler claims to have "protected" Ibaesha
MikeBurnFire claims to have received a "shopping list" from The_Holy_Thom

Scum kill The_Holy_Thom

Night Two

*Day: Thok investigates Machiavellian-Mafia [confirm tracker]

AmeliaSlay claims to have blocked PetroleumJelly [Cannot be verified]

Machiavellian-Mafia claims to being locked in

Drummer investigates MrBuddyLee [Red Floor]
MikeBurnFire targeted PetroleumJelly with gas [verified]
Ibaesha protected MikeBurnFire
Fritzler claims to have "protected" Machiavellian-Mafia

Scum miss kill, which could be due to:
-A: Scum targeting somebody on the Red Floor (CES or MBL)
-B: Scum targeting somebody who was protected (MBF)
-C: Scum being role-blocked (implying Jellyscum, which is not the case)
-D: Scum being redirected (although this no longer seems possible)
-E: Unknown mechanic or role

Night Three

*Day: Thok investigates Fritzler [Guilty]

AmeliaSlay claims to have blocked Ibaesha [Cannot be verified,
except
that Ibby's protection target died]
MikeBurnFire claims to being locked in [While having targeted somebody on the Red Floor]

Drummer investigated Machiavellian-Mafia [Yellow Floor]
MikeBurnFire targeted MrBuddyLee with gas
Ibaesha protected Thok [but was role-blocked]

Scum kill Thok

Overall
:

It seems to be less and less likely that AmeliaSlay is the only role-blocker in the game, and if there are two, it pretty much means that AmeliaSlay is pro-town (since a pro-town role-blocker would
definitely
not have role-blocked M-M), as I find two scum role-blockers pretty unbelievable.

I still don't think Amelia is the lynch today, and in fact, she might not be "the lynch" period. I think we'll be able to make a better decision by tomorrow, when we will have more information. That said, I still think Drummer is the lynch today.
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Post Post #1049 (ISO) » Tue Aug 22, 2006 5:44 am

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vote: Drummer
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