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Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:03 pm
by LavarManos
In post 1021, Frogsterking wrote:I guess he's probably clear anyway because it's better for one scum to do the kill and the other to investigate so when the tracker outs them they can claim they're the other pr.
Oh wait this is true because they were killing Redados that night, so it would make sense to just have one member perform both tasks. Since they killed Redados, any motion detected would be fatal, so they would want to keep motion to a minimum?
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:04 pm
by Frogsterking
In post 1023, LavarManos wrote:
Normally, I would think scum doesn't say stuff like this regarding their partner and would be more eager to bus. However, Fred strikes me as a somewhat unconventional player. Any scumgames I can skim over?
I was thinking the same thing about you and how adamant you were about town reading Italiano, Lavar. That's why I was curious about your ideas about scum play. I wasn't sure if you would town read Italiano as a form of meta-distancing. It seems now as though you are aware enough to make such a play.
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:07 pm
by Frogsterking
In post 1025, LavarManos wrote: In post 1021, Frogsterking wrote:I guess he's probably clear anyway because it's better for one scum to do the kill and the other to investigate so when the tracker outs them they can claim they're the other pr.
Oh wait this is true because they were killing Redados that night, so it would make sense to just have one member perform both tasks. Since they killed Redados, any motion detected would be fatal, so they would want to keep motion to a minimum?
Yes if they visit two places only a scum could do that confirming them to the tracker, also they may not choose to use the role report the night before the lylo if they already confirmed 1 pr.
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:08 pm
by Fredrick A Campbell
In post 1023, LavarManos wrote:
Normally, I would think scum doesn't say stuff like this regarding their partner and would be more eager to bus. However, Fred strikes me as a somewhat unconventional player. Any scumgames I can skim over?
I believe I have never been scum on this account.
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:09 pm
by Frogsterking
I've wanted to believe that both of you were town for a couple of days now.
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:10 pm
by Frogsterking
A couple of days IRL not since D1 of this game.
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:11 pm
by LavarManos
ok, I am fine with voting Casey soon. I believe LYLO with her will be much more annoying in f3 rather than right now.
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:11 pm
by Fredrick A Campbell
So, what do you think about Casey, LavarManos?
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:13 pm
by Frogsterking
In post 1031, LavarManos wrote:ok, I am fine with voting Casey soon. I believe LYLO with her will be much more annoying in f3 rather than right now.
Ok, why do you say so?
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:15 pm
by LavarManos
I think she is the last scum, but it is fair play to let her say some things in her defense first.
She seems like a capable player who could convince Fred as scum.
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:17 pm
by Fredrick A Campbell
Casey as scum does not make sense given how much she questioned the scumread on you.
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:19 pm
by LavarManos
She could be trying to pocket me right.
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:22 pm
by Fredrick A Campbell
Seems more like she was trying to be sure that we have considered the potential evidence against the case that you are scum.
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:22 pm
by Frogsterking
Fmpov Italiano and Casey were hoping that I would vote you today because of our interaction D2, and they've both been not-subtly pushing for that outcome today. I felt like Casey's questions were more of a question of you than of a question of Lavar. There wasn't really a bit of me that doubted Casey would hammer Lavar in a heartbeat today.
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:26 pm
by Fredrick A Campbell
I have not really noticed Casey doing so, though.
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:27 pm
by Frogsterking
In post 951, ItalianoVD wrote:I’ve read the past few pages and I think at this point we should all list our scumteam.
Frederick already stated his and I don’t blame him for thinking that even though it’s only halfway true.
My scumteam is
Lavar and Casey
, however, I’ve been wrong on both days so far (shelly / rocknil) so I’m not real confident about placing a vote down unplanned or without logic. I would like to hear from Frogster.
At that point I will make my decision and if the consensus ends up being me, there’s nothing I can do, but it’d be game over at that point.
In post 956, Casey wrote: In post 688, LavarManos wrote:I am fine with that.
rocknil said he was going to look for the scum team though, so I think we should at least give him that chance to get his thoughts out in the case he is town. In fact, if he does flip town, I will be questioning my townreads on you and Italiano.
Casey seems fine.
Posts like these are what make me think Lavar is town.
But then I cross that with Italiano's sheer confidence and Fred's familiar aloofness and a "pick two" situation just makes me freeze up.
One of you just do something extremely townie or extremely scummy please. Or someone talk to me.
One day I will probably take aim, close my eyes, and snap-vote based on how my gut is feeling.
Gun to my head I'd say
Fred/Lavar
because I've been able to connect on a better level with Italiano.
I'm reading both of these posts as fence sitting, pushing for a townie lynch while distancing from each other, and they put the name first of the townie they're hoping gets lynched because they are listing in order of operations.
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:31 pm
by Frogsterking
I guess it's awkward because either way one of Casey and Lavar were pretending have a townread on Italiano and Italiano bussed one of them, unless Fred is scum and decided not to use a night action N1.
I guess lynching Italiano today clears up some things because if he's the goon it would cast some doubt on Frederick choosing not to perform any night actions N1.
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:33 pm
by Frogsterking
I was planning to vote Casey tonight but I guess I will choose to sleep off the remaining alcohol instead. For what it's worth I thought both of your reactions to the real reports were townie enough.
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:56 pm
by Fredrick A Campbell
If we are assuming that the scumteam had always used both their night actions, ItalianoVD is definitely a goon.
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 7:34 pm
by Casey
In post 996, Frogsterking wrote:So my real reports were that Fred visited no one N1 and Italiano visited Redados N2
Neat.
In post 1014, Frogsterking wrote:Both MagikHorse and Casey voted Italiano as a single-person BW and interacted with him and nothing ever came of it before joining mainstream BWs.
First guesses always best guesses.
In post 1021, Frogsterking wrote:I guess he's probably clear anyway because it's better for one scum to do the kill and the other to investigate so when the tracker outs them they can claim they're the other pr.
You're coming at this in a way suggesting that mafia played in some perfect or robotic way. I wouldn't rule that out. They'd have to know what row and column they're in ahead of time and with my stellar powers of logic I don't see how that's possible.
In post 1023, LavarManos wrote:
Normally, I would think scum doesn't say stuff like this regarding their partner and would be more eager to bus. However, Fred strikes me as a somewhat unconventional player. Any scumgames I can skim over?
Is... is this... effort?
In post 1042, Frogsterking wrote:I was planning to vote Casey tonight but I guess I will choose to sleep off the remaining alcohol instead. For what it's worth I thought both of your reactions to the real reports were townie enough.
Why would you not vote the obvious maf? That's what the university you linked says to do.
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 7:40 pm
by Casey
So I'm confused and concerned that I'm even being considered for the chopping block. Really don't know how to even begin with that.
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 7:53 pm
by Fredrick A Campbell
In post 1044, Casey wrote: In post 996, Frogsterking wrote:So my real reports were that Fred visited no one N1 and Italiano visited Redados N2
Neat.
In post 1014, Frogsterking wrote:Both MagikHorse and Casey voted Italiano as a single-person BW and interacted with him and nothing ever came of it before joining mainstream BWs.
First guesses always best guesses.
In post 1021, Frogsterking wrote:I guess he's probably clear anyway because it's better for one scum to do the kill and the other to investigate so when the tracker outs them they can claim they're the other pr.
You're coming at this in a way suggesting that mafia played in some perfect or robotic way. I wouldn't rule that out. They'd have to know what row and column they're in ahead of time and with my stellar powers of logic I don't see how that's possible.
In post 1023, LavarManos wrote:
Normally, I would think scum doesn't say stuff like this regarding their partner and would be more eager to bus. However, Fred strikes me as a somewhat unconventional player. Any scumgames I can skim over?
Is... is this... effort?
In post 1042, Frogsterking wrote:I was planning to vote Casey tonight but I guess I will choose to sleep off the remaining alcohol instead. For what it's worth I thought both of your reactions to the real reports were townie enough.
Why would you not vote the obvious maf? That's what the university you linked says to do.
I believe we will. But I also believe it is wise to use the remaining time to find the potential scum partner.
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 7:57 pm
by Fredrick A Campbell
So, Casey, what do you think of LavarManos?
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:04 pm
by Fredrick A Campbell
Also, with these new results, who do you think is the scum team now?
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:18 pm
by Casey
Well, I would feel a lot more comfortable if you didn't come off as dismissive with everything I pose to you.