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Posted: **Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:12 pm**

How is it destroying town's chances to win, Jackson? It's more benefitting town than not claiming anything at all, doesn't it? Isn't that what you do? Last I checked, you can do that. I don't know what you mean by being lowkey, but it's the ones who are too quiet that are destroying town's chances to win man. What about IrishDancer who hasn't said anything since he got replaced?

Posted: **Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:27 pm**

In post 1025, Fizz Raab wrote:How is it destroying town's chances to win, Jackson? It's more benefitting town than not claiming anything at all, doesn't it? Isn't that what you do? Last I checked, you can do that. I don't know what you mean by being lowkey, but it's the ones who are too quiet that are destroying town's chances to win man. What about IrishDancer who hasn't said anything since he got replaced?

LOL LMFAOOO im sorry but JV get rekt nubbb. jokes jokes @fizz, what jv was saying that u shouldnt have whatever u were claiming to be obvious because now mafia kills you at night. i was actually confused and didnt see until later. since the information is now exposed. can you fully claim?

Posted: **Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:29 pm**

In post 1025, Fizz Raab wrote:How is it destroying town's chances to win, Jackson? It's more benefitting town than not claiming anything at all, doesn't it? Isn't that what you do? Last I checked, you can do that. I don't know what you mean by being lowkey, but it's the ones who are too quiet that are destroying town's chances to win man. What about IrishDancer who hasn't said anything since he got replaced?

Okay understand like this.
Town ONLY has two power roles at MOST. And since one is now dead, take your guess why I am like this.

Posted: **Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:31 pm**

Damn it... my entire gane-plan has gone to shit now.
But eh, you're a newbie so it happens. I assume you come from a role-madness game like Town of Salem or something.
Next time PLEASE read the setup when playing a game so this doesn't happen okay?

Sorry for getting mad

Here's the setup

Spoiler:

In post 2, Cabd wrote:
Setup Info

Newbie Setup
Newbie Setup

NewD3 (as designed by RadiantCowbells):

A B C

Mafia
Mafia Roleblocker
Mafia Rolecop
Mafia Goon

Row 1
Town Cop and Town Doctor
Town Tracker and Town Friendly Neighbor
Town Cop and Vanilla Townie

Row 2
Town Jailkeeper and Town Tracker
Town Jailkeeper and Town Friendly Neighbor
Town Jailkeeper and Vanilla Townie

Row 3
Town Mason and Town Mason
Town Tracker and Town Doctor
Town Mason and Town Mason

Each Newbie Game will be given a setup that incorporates one mafia role from the top of a column, and then two town roles from a row below the selected mafia role. The remaining six roles will be filled in by
one mafia goon
and
five vanilla townies
appropriately, to create a
2-mafia
and
7-town
setup.

All Newbie games use the Natural Action Resolution system for determining Night action effects.
Mafia Roleblocker
action takes precedence over a
Town Jailkeeper
action should that apply.

Mafia are able to communicate in their Private Topic at all times.

Spoiler: Full Setups
Column A & Row 1:
Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Cop, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column A & Row 2:
Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, Town Tracker, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column A & Row 3:
Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Mason x2, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 1:
Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Tracker, Town Friendly Neighbor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 2:
Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, Town Friendly Neighbor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 3:
Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Tracker, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column C & Row 1:
Mafia Goon x 2, Town Cop, Vanilla Townie x 6

Column C & Row 2:
Mafia Goon x 2, Town Jailkeeper, Vanilla Townie x 6

Column C & Row 3:
Mafia Goon x 2, Town Mason x2, Vanilla Townie x 5

Mods should use the sample role PMs below.

Sample Role PM's (click on the spoiler button to reveal)

Spoiler:
Vanilla TownieWelcome!

You are a
Vanilla Townie
.

You have no special abilities.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town JailkeeperWelcome!

You are a
Town Jailkeeper
.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills and be prevented from using their own action, if they have one, during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town CopWelcome!

You are a
Town Cop
.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed if they are
Town
or
Mafia
. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town MasonWelcome!

You are a
Town Mason
.

You know that [player] is Town-aligned. You also share a Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You have no active abilities.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Town TrackerWelcome!

You are a
Town Tracker
.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed what player or players they targeted with their action, if any. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town DoctorWelcome!

You are a
Town Doctor
.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Friendly NeighborWelcome!

You are a
Town Friendly Neighbor
.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be sent a message informing them that you are Town-aligned.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Mafia GoonWelcome!

You are a
Mafia Goon
.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia RolecopWelcome!

You are a
Mafia Rolecop
.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed of their role but not their alignment.
Vanilla Townies
and
Mafia Goons
will both return "Vanilla". If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a role cop in the same night phase. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.
Mafia RoleblockerWelcome!

You are a
Mafia Roleblocker
.

You may target one player per night. This player will be prevented from performing their own action, if any.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a roleblock in the same night phase. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Posted: **Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:32 pm**

Whoops that broke

Posted: **Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:33 pm**

Also I guess I am cleared regardless of whether they're Jailkeeper or Tracker as I would have likely done the kill as scum unless the other scum is someone who is up further in the town such as skitter.

Posted: **Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:35 pm**

Back to the setup. Since a Friendly Neighbour is dead, there are two setups that this can be.

Friendly Neighbour + Tracker
Friendly Neighbour + Jailkeeper

Both with a Role Cop, which acts like a Consigliere if you are from ToS. Which gets the role of the their target.

Posted: **Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:37 pm**

OK, but didn't you Jackson ask the other guy why he also claimed as well? I just don't get this game I guess. My bad, moving on.

Posted: **Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:37 pm**

Since the Friendly Neighbour is deado, there's only a Tracker or a Jailkeeper for Town. If that's gone it's essentially a mountainous (which means only vanilla roles, roles with no abilities).

a 2v11 mountanious is balanced for Town. Since this is a 2v7 from the start we are in a MASSIVE disadvantage and it's likely a loss. That and we didn't even get an elimination in on D1 so scum had the advantage there anyway.

I am still going to try my hardest at this game, as should all of you to counter the odds but yeah, take that as you will.

Posted: **Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:41 pm**

If you're Jailkeeper you can still stop a kill if you block the killer, which we SHOULD NOT DISCUSS FURTHER. If you're Tracker you only have a semi-clear.

Posted: **Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:43 pm**

Skitter is probably more of a threat to the scum late-game than a Tracker/Jailkeeper

so a tracker kill tonight is probably a bad move even for scum.

Posted: **Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:46 pm**

The problem is I don't understand the categories of the setups as there are so many of them and I get left confused as hell. There's a reason why I don't and it's to do with my learning difficulty that I have trouble understanding things. Sometimes I need to be beaten over the damn head so many times until I get it.

I never played any of those games you stated or anywhere for that matter. So yeah, I'm keeping my mouth shut for now until I get more reads.

Posted: **Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:50 pm**

In post 1036, Fizz Raab wrote:The problem is I don't understand the categories of the setups as there are so many of them and I get left confused as hell. There's a reason why I don't and it's to do with my learning difficulty that I have trouble understanding things. Sometimes I need to be beaten over the damn head so many times until I get it.

I never played any of those games you stated or anywhere for that matter. So yeah, I'm keeping my mouth shut for now until I get more reads.

That makes sense, apologies for getting so frustrated.
If you look at that table, one of the red roles are selected at random (roleblocker/rolecop/goons) and then one of the green pairs are selected below that role at random.

In this setup a RoleCop was selected meaning one of the three pairs below that are selected as well.
That being one of these three:

Friendly Neighbour + Jailkeeper
Friendly Neighbour + Tracker
Tracker + Doctor

And since there's a Friendly Neighbour dead, it cannot be the last one. Does that make sense?

Posted: **Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:51 pm**

A Mafia Goon (A mafia with no other ability other than killing and talking to the other mafia) is paired with whatever red role was chosen on the table.

And the rest of the players are given Vanilla Townie role cards, which are Towns that have no other ability.

Posted: **Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:52 pm**

Yes, I think I fully understand now. It's all good and apologies again for screwing up and causing frustration.

Posted: **Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:18 pm**

Alright so the scum pool has officially shrunk again. But I am having doubts all are in the group of three of Ahri/Irish/Wheme.

Posted: **Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:19 pm**

If Fizz is scum claiming that, it's pretty safe to counter-claim here but you can always wait until at least tomorrow to get one more result in etc.

Posted: **Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:21 pm**

@Mod

Andante/Irish needs prodding

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:09 am**

I'm here sorry, yall have just pissed me off from day 1, like, I wannt vote Wheme and move on, I already told you it's Wheme/Skitter

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:53 am**

In post 1010, Fizz Raab wrote:
In post 996, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Fizz Raab are all the possible scum from my current reads and all except one is posting really. This is bad, that and we missed one elim which is probably crucial.
Can you explain to me why I'm scum when I know clearly you're town from the action I had last night? I don't think you saw that post so how can I be scum if I claimed you as town?

ur claiming two things here. this isn't a jailkeeper claim. you are either claiming mafia rolecop or implying tracker.

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:55 am**

again @fizz are you rolecop? i still want you to fully claim since you basically outted ur self.

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:19 am**

In post 1045, GrandpaMo wrote:again @fizz are you rolecop? i still want you to fully claim since you basically outted ur self.

No do not make them claim.

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:25 am**

The effectiveness of both Tracker/Jailkeeper is the exact same. It clears a user the exact same, but one cannot outright guilty someone unlike the other.

Jailkeeper + Kill -> The target did not perform the kill, as the kill would have been blocked. Objective 50% clear, reads may change that.
Tracker + No Visit Result -> The target did not perform the kill. Objective 50% clear, reads may change that.
Jailkeeper + No Kill -> The target either was saved from a kill or was blocked from doing the kill. Objective 50% guilty, reads may change that.
Tracker + Visited kill target -> Target almost 100% killed them, unless another PR exists that visited them.
Tracker + Visit elsewhere -> You either caught the other town PR or caught the scum PR.

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:25 am**

I am curious of a discrepancy I have just realised from Fizz.

Posted: **Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:26 am**

In post 1048, JacksonVirgo wrote:I am curious of a discrepancy I have just realised from Fizz.

Actually no this can wait

	A	B	C
Mafia	Mafia Roleblocker	Mafia Rolecop	Mafia Goon
Row 1	Town Cop and Town Doctor	Town Tracker and Town Friendly Neighbor	Town Cop and Vanilla Townie
Row 2	Town Jailkeeper and Town Tracker	Town Jailkeeper and Town Friendly Neighbor	Town Jailkeeper and Vanilla Townie
Row 3	Town Mason and Town Mason	Town Tracker and Town Doctor	Town Mason and Town Mason

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