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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:38 am
by Persivul
Can you both remind me what your roles are?

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 8:02 am
by JerryArr
Persivul wrote:
Mod: is no lynch an acceptable outcome today?

Yes.

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 8:32 am
by Persivul
OK, let's see how this could play out.

If it's 2-2-1 town-mafia-SK then I believe town loses in all lynch/no lynch scenarios.

If it's 3-1-1 and we don't lynch:
1. mafia kills town, SK kills town,
town loses

2. mafia kills town, SK kills mafia, tomorrow it's 2-0-1,
town can win by lynching SK

3. mafia and SK target same town, tomorrow it's 2-1-1, successful lynch makes it 2-0-1 or 2-1-0, after NK
town loses


If it's 3-1-1 and we lynch:
4. town,
town loses

5. the SK, tomorrow it's 2-1-0,
town can win by lynching mafia

6. mafia, then tomorrow it's 2-0-1,
town can win by lynching SK


So the only way a no lynch helps is if both farside and bert are town, AND at night SK kills the one mafia out of 4 choices.

Not at all sure this is correct, please point out errors if you see them.

As it is, lynching seems like a better option.

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 8:56 am
by Persivul
Soren wrote:
Player NameDiscardAlignment CardAbility Card
BRantz
Mafia Seer
Town card
Doctor card
PeaceBringer
FBI Agent
Vanilla Townie
One-Shot Dayvig
Crowlage
One-Shot Governor
Gravedigger
Werewolf FBI Agent
elusive
Lyncher (Above)
Mason
Mafia Goon
farside22
Vanilla Townie
Mason
Two-Shot Bulletproof Serial Killer
Maruchan
Hirsute Goon
Compulsive Bodyguard Survivor
Mafia Compulsive Hider
Errantparabola
One-Shot Dayvig
Doctor
Mafia-Immune Serial Killer
enomis
Vanilla Townie
LoverEnabler
Ricastle
Lover
Nymphomaniac
Werewolf Watcher
Ninja Boy Hideo
Mafia One-Shot Governor
Seer
KittyCupCake
Mafia Godfather
Conspiracy Theorist
Bodyguard card
Soren
Roleblocker
Conspiracy Theorist
Town Watcher
Jeanne11
One-Shot Paranoid Gun Owner
Alien card
Cult One-Shot Goomaker

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 9:03 am
by Persivul
Bert, your role is missing. Do you care to claim?

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 10:04 am
by PeaceBringer
I want to go back and look at who was pushing yesterdays stupidity.

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 10:06 am
by PeaceBringer
ah yes, farside... I an absolutely go farside...
I still am SMH over the decision...

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 10:44 am
by Persivul
SMH?

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 10:44 am
by farside22
I thought Soren was wolf with emonis

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 10:48 am
by farside22
Persivul wrote:Can you both remind me what your roles are?


2 shot BP townie

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 10:52 am
by farside22
I'm not sure why people do think sk or why enomis was alone. All I read is scum this or that.
Another alien?
Maybe

Hell pb could be a sk/mafia alignment with a 1 shot vig ability.

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 11:01 am
by PeaceBringer
farside22 wrote:I thought Soren was wolf with emonis

As I said, it was a stupid thought... easy to hide behind if you are scum...
perhaps it is about those that went along with the stupidity quietly though... it is really something that could go either way.

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 11:01 am
by PeaceBringer
Persivul wrote:SMH?

shaking my head

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 11:31 am
by farside22
PeaceBringer wrote:
farside22 wrote:I thought Soren was wolf with emonis

As I said, it was a stupid thought... easy to hide behind if you are scum...
perhaps it is about those that went along with the stupidity quietly though... it is really something that could go either way.



His claim did not mean anything.
Did I believe he watched you?
Yes.
Did I think scum may have had the role?
Yes.

Whenever I asked him a question I never got a response.

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 11:39 am
by Bert
Persivul wrote:Bert, your role is missing. Do you care to claim?


Ability card is Alien Vanillaiser

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 11:47 am
by Persivul
Who have you vanillaized so far?

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 11:48 am
by elusive
Persivul, numbers are not my strong suit. Did Ninja Boy ever claim? The problem is that if he didn't claim, Bert can claim almost anything right now and there's no way to confirm or deny it?

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 11:50 am
by elusive
I'll look into it once on a comp to iso

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 11:52 am
by elusive
Soren did play very weirdly to be honest, his play does't make sense and the only thing he said was he wasn't invested which was a bad argument. PB what do you think of the Soren wagon?

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 12:03 pm
by Persivul
VOTE: farside22

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 12:04 pm
by PeaceBringer
elusive wrote:Soren did play very weirdly to be honest, his play does't make sense and the only thing he said was he wasn't invested which was a bad argument. PB what do you think of the Soren wagon?

I thought it was crap, I expressed thoughts that it was crap. "Not making sense" is not scum behavior. I see such run up around here over and over and over and over with similar results. It is stupid play. There was no reason to go that direction. None. Guess what, town, in general have to make a guess. Town in general are more likely to flip around. Soren was trying to engage the game but just was flopping. His behavior was null to town... but hey, guess what, you can now rule out the fucking scum watcher theory. A complete waste. Now I am trying to sort out who is scum in the foolishness and if there was scum doing something else... (as in Zoro.)
For all the proclamations of reasons and logic, there was nothing reasonable or logical about that...

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 12:04 pm
by PeaceBringer
elusive wrote:Persivul, numbers are not my strong suit. Did Ninja Boy ever claim? The problem is that if he didn't claim, Bert can claim almost anything right now and there's no way to confirm or deny it?

you been here the whole game and you do not know this?

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 12:09 pm
by elusive
Ninja Boy disappeared a while back and didn't claim I think, I have to ISO when not phone posting to check but I'm not sure and my memory's imperfect.

PB, you were pushing Ricastle too even though he was more obviously town based on his meta. There is a slight difference there.

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 12:31 pm
by elusive
Yeah in ISO Ninja Boy did not claim but he did make the original list and there was some discussion of whether or not full claiming was a good thing, weird that he made the list but didn't ever full claim other then alignment card.

Persivul why Farside over Bert? He hasn't answered your question. Also in looking at Ninja Boy's ISO he seems annoyed at Jeanne but if he were a Vanillaizer couldn't he cancel out her powers if she wasn't lynched? Weird.

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 12:39 pm
by Bert
Persivul wrote:Who have you vanillaized so far?

Predecessor vanillaised Errantparabola N1. I already said that. I also already said that its negative utility so I didn't use it last night.