Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 4:56 am
I'm back in town from the holidays, so I should be on top of things now.
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I'm back in town from the holidays, so I should be on top of things now.
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 5:00 am
↑ VP Baltar wrote:
KK and jason for example. they were both saying Ghostlin was scummy from way back and are just coming around now that the wagon is viable again. That has nothing to do with me, and everything to do with Ghostlin being the most popular lynch candidate today. Hell, even you were saying earlier that you thought he was scummy enough to lynch. Now you're apparently being "manipulated" into voted it, which seems like a silly accusation to be making given you were quoting yourself as to why you found him scummy.
Though I'd be more than good with a Debonair Danny DiPietro lynch if we can swing it (ha-HA!) at the last minute.
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 5:05 am
also, where the fuck is DDD? Holiday is over bro. If you're trying to save your buddy Ghostlin by not being here, don't think I haven't noticed.
@xvart - The ghostlin wagon is where it is at. If you're town, you were supposed to be the counterwagon to Ghostlin scum. Don't let them fool you into a Jason mislynch. This entire thing will get cracked wide open when Ghostlin flips scum, so come on over.
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@xvart - The ghostlin wagon is where it is at. If you're town, you were supposed to be the counterwagon to Ghostlin scum. Don't let them fool you into a Jason mislynch. This entire thing will get cracked wide open when Ghostlin flips scum, so come on over.
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 5:05 am
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 5:06 am
Vi (and everyone else), it's not just the posting discrepancies that make me think Jason's scum. Look at his ISO. I find his first scumhunting post at... um... well, a weak one at his ISO 15. There's a
The he starts focussing on his glowball/Llamamarble wagon, and there's a lot more of nothing. So when he does post, it's mostly active lurking.
Finally, there's the exclusion of the people I noted in my scumreads post. I know that when I was working on my initial post for when I replaced in, I was looking at everyone, because I didn't know what alignment anyone had. You'll see I even have UT in that post. But once I got the role PM, to rethink reads, I removed UT from the list because I
pedit: DDD is a fine lynch, but given the timeframe we have left I don't see it as viable.
ppedit: ... Jason, you're killling me. You said that nowhere in the game, and you can't just call V/LA on one game and make multiple posts in another. Give me a break.
lot
of defensiveness, though. His big catch-up post includes setup speculation, arguments against setup speculation, game theory (with includes either a townslip or an intentional redirect at "Scum is multiple and can chat at night" -- hard to tell which it is), and in a couple of places, reads. There's very little scumhunting in that large, large post...The he starts focussing on his glowball/Llamamarble wagon, and there's a lot more of nothing. So when he does post, it's mostly active lurking.
Finally, there's the exclusion of the people I noted in my scumreads post. I know that when I was working on my initial post for when I replaced in, I was looking at everyone, because I didn't know what alignment anyone had. You'll see I even have UT in that post. But once I got the role PM, to rethink reads, I removed UT from the list because I
know
my own alignment. But Jason -- Jason said nothing
about several people in his big catch-up post, where he gave his reads on everyone -- that tells me he knows more about them than he's letting on.pedit: DDD is a fine lynch, but given the timeframe we have left I don't see it as viable.
ppedit: ... Jason, you're killling me. You said that nowhere in the game, and you can't just call V/LA on one game and make multiple posts in another. Give me a break.
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 5:10 am
I check in at various times at weekend, but it is commonly known that I am away most weekends. I can't check in every game, sometimes yes I do get to read a bit and reply, sometimes not. I am sure there are times in this game that I post more than in others. The fact you are pushing my activity in OTHER games because you actually have a weak ass case on me is pitiful.
I CANT CHECK EVERY GAME AT EVERYTIME.... I AM V/LA EVERY WEEKEND AND CHECK IN WHEN I CAN.
I should also remind you, discussing on going games is a dangerous ground and not allowed and we are taking it too far now. Are you telling me that there are never times you get further behind in one game, while being caught up in another?
I CANT CHECK EVERY GAME AT EVERYTIME.... I AM V/LA EVERY WEEKEND AND CHECK IN WHEN I CAN.
I should also remind you, discussing on going games is a dangerous ground and not allowed and we are taking it too far now. Are you telling me that there are never times you get further behind in one game, while being caught up in another?
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 5:51 am
No, I haven't. Is there something I'm missing from not having this experience?
Okay, so your role resolves after kills have occurred (investigation or miscellaneous) but gives you a result from prior to the kills occurring. I've played a few of zoraster's games and I don't see this is likely coming from him as a game designer and moderator. The one thing I appreciate the most about zoraster games is the functionality of the game being standard and the logic behind the way things occur, including role resolution. Even if you read through the MD threads he has posted in there is a theme of stability or standardization (for a lack of better words) and an ability occurring at a late point in the night but giving a result as if it occurred earlier in the resolution order is extremely tough for me to swallow.
Vi
- from your experience designing games with zoraster and modding conversations you've had with him do you think it is likely for him to include a scenario that occurs as Quilford has outlined?Ummm... really?
I have a hard time believing that I was a counterwagon to anyone since my wagon never got above three people and given those three people I doubt they would all pile on at the beginning to create a scum fueled counterwagon in the scenario you provide.
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 5:57 am
imo, they grossly misjudged how popular your wagon would be and thought they could ram it through. I think Ghostlin is a highly informative lynch given the push on you at that time.
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:53 am
*stifles laugh*
I'm going to go IM VP Baltar that Albert B. Rampage has hacked his account.VP Baltar wrote:This entire thing will get cracked wide open when Ghostlin flips scum, so come on over.
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saulres - I believe you're now finding why I want to policy lynch jason in general, because I expect weak play at best from him as Town. The fact that he looks like he's trying at all is the best Town tell I can get on him.
saulres wrote:pedit: DDD is a fine lynch, but given the timeframe we have left I don't see it as viable.
Vote: Debonair Danny DiPietro
(L-7)Put up and/or shut up. All of you.
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The fact that it sucks. People give you about as much suspicion as a Miller claim, combined with the bonus of people being afraid to be on the wagons you're on because it's "closer to lynch" "without as many people who want that person to be lynched".xvart 1106 wrote:No, I haven't. Is there something I'm missing from not having this experience?
Sort of irrelevant at the moment though.
Most of the games I've designed with zorotter have been mechanic madness, not role madness. I agree that standardization is a big priority for him. With that said, I'm curious to know (because I didn't look at the time) what it was zoraster changed in the rules after Quilford made his claim.xvart 1106 wrote:Vi - from your experience designing games with zoraster and modding conversations you've had with him do you think it is likely for him to include a scenario that occurs as Quilford has outlined?
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I think Ghostlin would be a highly informative lynch given the push on Ghostlin. To answer your next question, I'd rather lynch DDD because he's scum.VP Baltar 1107 wrote:imo, they grossly misjudged how popular your wagon would be and thought they could ram it through. I think Ghostlin is a highly informative lynch given the push on you at that time.
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 8:02 am
↑ glowball wrote:
Are you really trying to form something from me saying "probscum" over scum? I think you are scum Jason. I want you lynched. Can you answer my question please?
No, just pointing out a contridction.
What other question?
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 8:02 am
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 8:07 am
VOTE: Debonair Danny DiPietro[/unvote]
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 8:09 am
Dammit. Stupid phone.
vote: DDD
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 8:50 am
That the game had a day start, and not a night start. If you look at post 1, rule 5, you'll see he crossed out night and replaced it with day.
I had thought it was a sure tell that Quil was lying if the game had a night start, because I can't imagine a census keeper
not
using that ability in order to share it right off the bat. So I tried confirming some timing with zoraster, and he was grateful that I caught the copy-paste error and surprised that no one else had.I'm not jumping onto a new wagon now because we still have Llama and Ghostlin to move their votes and I'd like to see where they go. I should be online right through deadline (a first for me!) and can move to another of my scumreads if their wagons become more viable.
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 8:51 am
Maybe you missed the vote count two posts before yours where the Ghostlin and Jason wagons are basically equal which means that the lynch I've been touting all day finally has a chance to happen. I'm not going to abandon that at the last moment to jump over to some wagon that I'm extremely ambivalent about just because you and whoever else wants me to. Now given how much I've been ignored today; what purpose does me sitting here and telling everyone the same thing I've said all day really serve?
Hi, you already tried this once and it didn't work because everyone else who isn't you lapdog can see that the only reason I haven't been able to do anything today is that you insist on kneecapping my attempts. It's a beautiful circle you've constructed; I must be scum because I'm not doing anything productive but I can't do anything since you insist on driving the town in the opposite direction every time because I must be scum. It's fucking tiresome.
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:27 am
My journey is completed.
Some lost time needs to be made up for.
I remember I moved my vote off Ghostlin because I was worried he might flip town.
Some lost time needs to be made up for.
I remember I moved my vote off Ghostlin because I was worried he might flip town.
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:33 am
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:43 am
"Just let me lurk, please."↑ Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:Now given how much I've been ignored today; what purpose does me sitting here and telling everyone the same thing I've said all day really serve?
Nope, circle doesn't go that way. I'm disagreeing with your weak case, weaker participation, and even weaker post rate. Thanks for trying.Hi, you already tried this once and it didn't work because everyone else who isn't you lapdog can see that the only reason I haven't been able to do anything today is that you insist on kneecapping my attempts. It's a beautiful circle you've constructed; I must be scum because I'm not doing anything productive but I can't do anythingsince you insist on driving the town in the opposite direction every time because I must be scum. It's fucking tiresome.
Very good point and logic. Quilford hasn't done a good job of precisely claiming, at any rate.saulres 1113 wrote:That the game had a day start, and not a night start. If you look at post 1, rule 5, you'll see he crossed out night and replaced it with day.
I had thought it was a sure tell that Quil was lying if the game had a night start, because I can't imagine a census keeper not using that ability in order to share it right off the bat. So I tried confirming some timing with zoraster, and he was grateful that I caught the copy-paste error and surprised that no one else had.
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:00 am
Obviously it isn't. Could you tell me what you think of Llam at this point in the game?
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:04 am
KK, don't abandon me now. Ghostlin is scum and you know this. We really don't have time for a third freaking distraction wagon from this lynch. Vi is doing everything in her power to stop this from happening. That should be a huge red light that Ghostlin is the correct lynch for the day. There is no logical reason she would be doing that if she thought he was even half as scummy as she claims she does.
Saulres - listen to me bro, you're getting conned and hard. You're a smart guy, but some of this game is instinct. I should never be this tough to get a universally scummy player lynched. There is shennanigans afoot right now. I'm telling you this from years of experience. Sometimes you just need to take a leap. If i'm wrong, you guys can hate on me all day tomorrow. There is no reason Ghostlin should NOT be lynched today.
Saulres - listen to me bro, you're getting conned and hard. You're a smart guy, but some of this game is instinct. I should never be this tough to get a universally scummy player lynched. There is shennanigans afoot right now. I'm telling you this from years of experience. Sometimes you just need to take a leap. If i'm wrong, you guys can hate on me all day tomorrow. There is no reason Ghostlin should NOT be lynched today.
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:06 am
Learned that very much last game, which is why I'm using that a large part of my scumreads.
I've said before but I'll repeat -- I won't have time to fully review the case on Ghostlin until tomorrow. Maybe I'll be convinced, maybe not. But I'm not jumping there just on your say-so (seeing as, you know, you're one of my scumreads).
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:08 am
sigh...
I really don't know what it is about my personality people find so scummy for no reason whatsoever.
I really don't know what it is about my personality people find so scummy for no reason whatsoever.
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:12 am
How is it not clear? considering I even linked the two of you earlier this day, you argued with me over it... and I have had him as a scum read since D1... even voting him today.
How is it not clear?
Spoiler:
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:15 am
I believe Glowball is now just trying to stall the game by trying to go over things already established to hold up a lynch.
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:21 am
"In post 969, jasonT1981 wrote:"
^ That was your most recent post about Llam? Over 100posts ago, yeah I needed an update, reads change.
Now you aren't voting him, why? Why would you settle for a Ghostlin lynch when you want Xvart and I looked at tomorrow and you also still think Llam is scum regardless of his claim.
^ That was your most recent post about Llam? Over 100posts ago, yeah I needed an update, reads change.
Now you aren't voting him, why? Why would you settle for a Ghostlin lynch when you want Xvart and I looked at tomorrow and you also still think Llam is scum regardless of his claim.