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In post 1084, ArcAngel9 wrote:GoodMorning, why is your vote on Z? if you want to lynch Eye?

Because I would be happy with a lynch on any of {Z, Fe, Mac}.

@Mac: I think the instance was indeed you buddying. It's not necessarily a scumtell, but it's something I want to look at.
The instance you had with me getting excited to see a familiar, competent face is just that: excitement to see a familiar, competent face.

I won't vote Z7 again. I'm glad that bw fell apart.

I could be convinced especially considering how little Z has had to say recently.

If you haven't noticed I don't and can't write more than 1 or 2 post per day. I live on other time zone and while you play I sleep. That is also a reason why my post are so damn long and poorly structured.

I can't believe how you let control you guys like that. When his first wagon failed he randomly started (#926) and started bluntly budding ffreryllt (#927) (#996). And then he's starting to buddy everyone else (#1005). That isn't right way to hunt scums. Give some logical reasoning and let people to beside them self whom they want to vote.
Also his play style and preferencies have chanced to drastically. First VisceraEyes said he wants to focus on one player and then starts asking (#956) about other possible wagons. Also he thought my scumometer (tm) is scummy looking and makes one of his own (#968). I can't trust a player that chances his mind like this.

I also can't believe how easily jumps into these bandwagons. When I first joined the game fferyllt seemed more reasonable and task-oriented but now looks like she is going from bandwagon to other. Can't trust this kind of turn coats. Also the way it looks like she isn't thinking about her votes (#1101) as much as it first looked to me. Might be that she is fishing information from players which is useful for the town. I understand that she is trying to find a town core (#1057) but I don't know why she trust VisceraEyes to be part of it. I really don't need to waste time to make case that she is a townie. More focusing on other players.

Then there is . When focus is of off her she is starting to buddy players (#1033) (#1074) to join her in Eye urn lynch. But at least she gave some good reasons (#1031) for doing so. I just don't think there were much a case here. ArcAngel9 really haven't made a convincing case against Eye Urn that I could follow or agree on. I also didn't found her rant about self lynch (1081) believable. Looked more about something rehearsed.

In my opinion isn't just cheerleading wagons. He's giving his reads and and thought process on players and not jumping into fast conclusions. I really don't agree using meta but there really isn't anything wrong about that kind of play style. Meta just isn't as useful as focusing on the game at hand. Her latest post really haven't chanced my mind to one way or the other. But He should still give reasons for this Eye urn bandwagon. I read all the unread posts and couldn't find one well summarized case against him.

I kind of currently trust . He have been logical and informative in his posts. And haven't spammed the game with useless chit-chat. He could though open up more about his though process. I don't completely agree with him on his reads on goodmorning (#1026) but goodmorning is still my prime target. I don't like though how Eye urn is willing (#1026) to lynch someone he thinks is a townie (no matter how bad they play). He does give reasons for this (#1051) and I kind of agree with him. It is a burden to carry players on who are not helping. Not trusting him as much as I used to. But can't really but him to my scum pile based on these posts.

For I couldn't even follow her first (#1070) unread post. That post didn't even contain a hint of defense or interest in other peoples opinions. Then she makes a second completely useless post (#1076). It's like she isn't really even interested in the game.

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fferyllt < Revenus < Deras < Mac < Eye urn < ArcAngel9 < goodmorning < VisceraEyes

Noticing that this is Eye's 3rd game kinda helps put his play into better perspective. Not as concerned about him as I was when he first put that vote down on GM.

In post 1100, goodmorning wrote:

In post 1084, ArcAngel9 wrote:GoodMorning, why is your vote on Z? if you want to lynch Eye?

Because I would be happy with a lynch on any of {Z, Fe, Mac}.

@Mac: I think the instance was indeed you buddying. It's not necessarily a scumtell, but it's something I want to look at.
The instance you had with me getting excited to see a familiar, competent face is just that: excitement to see a familiar, competent face.

So me saying you're a good player is not a scumtell but you would still be willing to lynch me for it?

What's the difference between me saying you're good and you saying I'm competent?

In post 959, Mac wrote:As for Eye, I haven't like him since AA9 joined.

I already stated that he tried to back up AA9's "one scum in IC/2SE because mod didn't randomize" argument with maths and logic which I think his him possibly subtly pushing towards this to get people towards pushing an IC/SE scumhunt and away from him. It felt like it was sorta buddying AA9 too, softpushing her poor argument with probablity and logic. Like I said earlier though, he voted her afterwards which is like a complete chnge and he moves quickly from 'terrible town' to 'scum.'

He offers his vote for GM in #210 and then doesn't vote her until #401 and quickly unvotes with some revelation that needs a reread. he doesn't really explain as such, and then reveals a re-read hasn't actually changed his opinion but clouded it up.

And then there's the second GM vote, "for Deras." Looks like he's using Deras as an excuse to vote GM, then his case comes after GM pushes for it. Why wait? Makes no sense to me.

pedit; I do that as town, playstyle and things, ya know? It's not a part I'm proud of and it's something I'm actively trying to change. Can you point to times where I've been a "cheerleader?"

Theres my Eye case, wasn't that hard to find, Z

There are three main concerns about that case (#959).
1. VisceraEyes didn't represented it. He just said ArcAngel9 thought something way back.
2. He didn't try to back ArcAngel9 with math. He just pointed out that according to math, if roles are randomly picked there is a high probability that there is a scum in IC/2SE group just due to the relevant size of the group. This also was way back in the early game.
3. Eye urn have always withheld personal ideas and reasons. This is poor play in my regards but still in line with his play so far.

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fferyllt < Revenus < Deras < Mac < Eye urn < ArcAngel9 < goodmorning < VisceraEyes

What do you make of his second gm vote?

Can we just lynch Eye today and move on...

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In post 1100, goodmorning wrote:

In post 1084, ArcAngel9 wrote:GoodMorning, why is your vote on Z? if you want to lynch Eye?

Because I would be happy with a lynch on any of {Z, Fe, Mac}.

@Mac: I think the instance was indeed you buddying. It's not necessarily a scumtell, but it's something I want to look at.
The instance you had with me getting excited to see a familiar, competent face is just that: excitement to see a familiar, competent face.

Why not Eye, I thought you were okay lynching him??

In post 1116, ArcAngel9 wrote:

In post 1100, goodmorning wrote:

In post 1084, ArcAngel9 wrote:GoodMorning, why is your vote on Z? if you want to lynch Eye?

Because I would be happy with a lynch on any of {Z, Fe, Mac}.

@Mac: I think the instance was indeed you buddying. It's not necessarily a scumtell, but it's something I want to look at.
The instance you had with me getting excited to see a familiar, competent face is just that: excitement to see a familiar, competent face.

Why not Eye, I thought you were okay lynching him??

Fe = Eye in GMspeak.

Welcome GiF!

Hi fferyll! No wonder this game has 40+ pages.

UNVOTE:

Sadly, I can't refute that.

Hey I want some of that CREDIT too, having replaced 2 days from deadline and having 2nd highest post count. ^^

In post 1120, VisceraEyes wrote:Hey I want some of that

blame

CREDIT too, having replaced 2 days from deadline and having 2nd highest post count. ^^

Having checked that: WHYYYYYYYYYYY


Hello GIF, I've heard good things about you. Catch up quick, OK, I'm sure everyone will be super excited to hear you.

In post 1121, goodmorning wrote:

In post 1120, VisceraEyes wrote:Hey I want some of that

blame

CREDIT too, having replaced 2 days from deadline and having 2nd highest post count. ^^

Having checked that: WHYYYYYYYYYYY


Hello GIF, I've heard good things about you. Catch up quick, OK, I'm sure everyone will be super excited to hear you.

I have a similar background to feryl (as I said earlier, I suspect it's an irrational reason I'm so at ease with her). I typically play on a site with 48/24 cycles. It's not something I can just drop overnight.

In post 1105, Mac wrote:

In post 1100, goodmorning wrote:

In post 1084, ArcAngel9 wrote:GoodMorning, why is your vote on Z? if you want to lynch Eye?

Because I would be happy with a lynch on any of {Z, Fe, Mac}.

@Mac: I think the instance was indeed you buddying. It's not necessarily a scumtell, but it's something I want to look at.
The instance you had with me getting excited to see a familiar, competent face is just that: excitement to see a familiar, competent face.

So me saying you're a good player is not a scumtell but you would still be willing to lynch me for it?

What's the difference between me saying you're good and you saying I'm competent?

Please answer GM!

Timing and situation.