Mini 1628: Rick Santorum Saves Xmas - Gaybepocalypse

[Shinobi]

Can someone give me an answer as to why Bert is town? This:

Welcome back I fuess. I can explain why Bert is town. My role PM assures me I'm town. Next question?

Doesn't help me.

[Bert]

I was being facetious. Why aren't flames and Aronis in your lynchpool?

[Flames682]

My role PM assures me I'm town. Next question?

[Flames682]

Aronis is scum though

[Shinobi]

I was being facetious. Why aren't flames and Aronis in your lynchpool?

I know you are, but it still kinda bugs me that nobody can give me an answer. I don't know if that means that you're actually mafia or if that means I'm staring into the blinding sun of towniness that is Bert.

When I get home from work I'll look into the Aronis/Flames thing a little more. I don't really do associative reads so I'm kind of hesitant about jumping on board with a case centered on them.

[Bert]

I wasn't talking about associatives. Your post implied you aren't interested in lynching either Aronis or Flames [as independent scumreads].

But since we're talking about associatives, you used that here. -->

I don't really do associative reads so I'm kind of hesitant about jumping on board with a case centered on them.

The only other scumteam I could see making sense would be bert/marquis, since marquis could have rewritten everything and bert could have told him to pick the only other possibly safe box left, but that's a stretch and we have no way of knowing the difference anyway.

I don't know if that means that you're actually mafia or if that means I'm staring into the blinding sun of towniness that is Bert.

Just looked back. You were pressing suspicions on me after my "bad shot" on TSQ, including voting for me at one point [after Wisdom's vote, you followed it]. Yet, you haven't brought that up as a reason to find me scummy today.

[Bert]

So, do you remember why you redacted that scumread?

[Bert]

There isn't anything remarkable about Flames ISO other than him playing peacemaker between Aronis and Wisdom. Difference in their play is marginal, with Flames more lurky (which doesn't say much). Both hammered people with even littler reasoning than I use (which is saying a lot - well, comparable or less). So there's that too.

So, here are Shinobi's thought processes mapped out during one of the previous days (dunno which). Not reading the whole game, lol.

Also I'm not really indicating that Flames and Marquis have to be a scumteam based on the White Elephant.

I'm just stating that it's possible. I actually think it's pretty unlikely but I wanted to map out my thought process.

So here's what I'm thinking:

A) Flames rewrote the gift order in order to save Marquis. Possible. This requires them to be a scumteam, in which case we lynch Marquis first because that lynch makes sense anyway.
B) Marquis rewrote the gift order in order to
C) Flames rewrote the order in order to frame Marquis. Kind of tinfoil, but possible.

The only other scumteam I could see making sense would be bert/marquis, since marquis could have rewritten everything and bert could have told him to pick the only other possibly safe box left, but that's a stretch and we have no way of knowing the difference anyway.

Marquis is the most likely hit on scum based on the way the gifts went down. The only thing that's bugging me is the fact that he had the opportunity to give me the killbox and didn't, but that might just be a side effect of being at the bottom of the list since he couldn't possibly predict the gift giving going the way it did. That, and the possibility of having a get-out-of-jail free card would easily be more than enough security to not get rekt by the setup.

PEdit: Okay, what PMs did you get?

[Bert]

same post quote...woops

tl;dr preliminary thoughts - that was pre-marquis lynch. So, before you started droning on about 3P's you were thinking <Bert/Marquis> or <Flames/Marquis>.

[Shinobi]

I didn't really redact the scumread. I don't think I ever had a real scumread on you in the first place, aside from your vig shot. You've mostly been null, and that usually worries me at this part of the game, especially when people start showing up on others' townlists for no reason.

The most important part of that final quote you posted is that "we have no way of knowing the difference anyway." A bert/marquis team is certainly possible, but what I quoted was not convincing evidence either way.

Also, I redacted my reasoning on voting for you earlier in the game due to autocorrect.

[Aronis]

Sorry guys, internet's been out.

I feel like Bert is probably town, which would leave flames and shinobi. I'd prefer to lynch Flames today as that's my strongest read.

[Shinobi]

This game gets more attention tonight. I just realized something but I'm heading off to work really soon.

[Flames682]

Cool pulling the Shinobi scum read right out of your ass because your ISO says nothing about him being a scum read until 1110.

[Aronis]

VOTE: Flames

Idk about Shinobi and Bert, but 99% sure he's scum at this point.

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[Wisdom]

remind me why he's scum?

[Flames682]

Because he didn't like my hammer is the only reason he has.

[Flames682]

Lmfao it's true I looked at his ISO and his only reason is

I dont care for Flames hammer yesterday.

Then he continues to say I'm scum and try to push me without providing further reasoning.

[Wisdom]

i dont see you voting him

[Shinobi]

Sorry guys, internet's been out.

I feel like Bert is probably town, which would leave flames and shinobi. I'd prefer to lynch Flames today as that's my strongest read.

Can you elaborate pls?

[Aronis]

remind me why he's scum?

PoE. You're conftown, netiher of Bert/Shinobi feel incredibly scummy.

[Flames682]

Couldn't think of another reason to fake scumread me?

VOTE: Aronis

I thought I already did.

[Wisdom]

netiher of Bert/Shinobi feel incredibly scummy.

meaning flames feels incredibly scummy. Explain why

[Bert]

Dodge. Been focused on IRL the last few days.

[Flames682]

Because PoE is the only reason he can come up with.