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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:46 am
by Daenerys and Dragons
boop
Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:48 am
by Daenerys and Dragons
In post 1095, Infinity 324 wrote:@lilith The argument isn't "murder could be lazy town"
It's "laziness isn't scum-indicative, especially for murder"
I just don't think any of the points against murder actually make him more likely to be scum, and he's felt towny to me so far
Fair point about not searching for other scum, I've been pretty demotivated and should probably be re-evaluating my TRs. But also, when I have reasons to TR a lot of the playerlist, yeah maybe players like NM and yyota, who I don't have reasons to TR, are more likely scum
Okay, fine. I don’t find NM a satisfactory secondary wagon though because... doesn’t the same reasoning apply?
- Daenerys
Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:48 am
by Daenerys and Dragons
In post 1098, Infinity 324 wrote:Yeah I do wish he would post more since he said he would be, but is leaving the thread and "hoping the wagon dissipates" something scum actually do ever? Idk
*raises hand*
- Daenerys
Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:50 am
by PenguinPower
In post 1098, Infinity 324 wrote:is leaving the thread and "hoping the wagon dissipates" something scum actually do ever?
Yes.
Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:51 am
by Infinity 324
I haven't gotten townvibes from NM, I'm (very) not confident I'll be able to read NM later
PEdit: I don't see it happen often, and I don't see why murder would think that would happen in this gamestate?
Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:54 am
by Gamma Emerald
In post 1096, Green Crayons wrote: In post 1094, Gamma Emerald wrote:If you look at how murdercat got through all of those games you'll see a very consistent trend of town!murdercat getting pushed early and/or often
but see:
In post 1070, PenguinPower wrote:And my issue is you can't say that he doesn't as scum so it's nai. Stop relying solely on meta for which you don't have an established comparison.
I'm saying your perspective on murdercat is way smaller than mine or infinity's, and as such you should listen to what I'm saying, which is to give him time since he becomes stronger as town further along in the game, and I think based on how things have developed he is town
I'm not just metaing murdercat, I'm metaing the scenario
Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:54 am
by Gamma Emerald
In post 1098, Infinity 324 wrote:Yeah I do wish he would post more since he said he would be, but is leaving the thread and "hoping the wagon dissipates" something scum actually do ever? Idk
Infinity I'm concerned you have to ask this question.
Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:55 am
by PenguinPower
In post 1104, Infinity 324 wrote:PEdit: I don't see it happen often, and I don't see why murder would think that would happen in this gamestate?
seems a little dismissive when you received two answers of the affirmative.
Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:56 am
by Green Crayons
if you're saying murder-town is stronger late game rather than early game
cool, i hope he's town and doesn't get eliminated
if you're saying murder-town is frequently pushed early in the game, and so because murder is being suspected in D1 (
not
early D1 mind you), we should give him the benefit of the doubt that he is therefore again town...........
well then you lost me
Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:58 am
by Infinity 324
I actually don't remember a time when scum has lurked out a wagon hoping it dissipates, but maybe there's been a time where it happened and I though the scum was just demotivated or something
It just seems like a very dumb thing to do and I don't think that's really how wagons work, maybe in larges idk
Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:59 am
by Daenerys and Dragons
that’s literally my reaction as scum to most pressure.
- Daenerys
Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:00 am
by PenguinPower
In post 1109, Infinity 324 wrote:I actually don't remember a time when scum has lurked out a wagon hoping it dissipates, but maybe there's been a time where it happened and I though the scum was just demotivated or something
It just seems like a very dumb thing to do and I don't think that's really how wagons work, maybe in larges idk
I mean - it depends on the player, but I have seen it (work) enough that it's not a good reason to use it for ++town points.
Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:01 am
by PenguinPower
Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:01 am
by Daenerys and Dragons
@gamma I think it’s also unrealistic to believe that you’ll be able to persuade everyone to leave murder alone for a scenario that only you have knowledge of when you 1) have put no visible effort into solving and progressing the game, and 2) have admitted to doing that on purpose. you likely don’t have enough credibility or trust to defend murder successfully. If you want people to follow your lead, then they need to trust you first.
- Daenerys
Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:01 am
by Daenerys and Dragons
Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:01 am
by Infinity 324
Yeah I'm not arguing that murder is town for it
Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:02 am
by Daenerys and Dragons
.... aren’t you?
- Daenerys
Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:03 am
by PenguinPower
In post 1098, Infinity 324 wrote:but is leaving the thread and "hoping the wagon dissipates" something scum actually do ever? Idk
In post 1104, Infinity 324 wrote:PEdit: I don't see it happen often, and I don't see why murder would think that would happen in this gamestate?
Sorry - this seemed to be an argument for notscum!kitty which would be town!kitty
Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:29 am
by Gamma Emerald
In post 1109, Infinity 324 wrote:I actually don't remember a time when scum has lurked out a wagon hoping it dissipates, but maybe there's been a time where it happened and I though the scum was just demotivated or something
It just seems like a very dumb thing to do and I don't think that's really how wagons work, maybe in larges idk
that's
what I used to do
Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:30 am
by Infinity 324
I was arguing against the fact that it's scummy for murder to not be here atm, I think it's NAI
Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:30 am
by Gamma Emerald
also I think we're kinda at a point were we all want the same thing more-or-less but just have different perspectives which is keeping us from seeing eye-to-eye
Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:34 am
by Green Crayons
Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:37 am
by Gamma Emerald
yes
but there's something more I'm feeling beyond that
Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:52 am
by Gamma Emerald
yyottacat can you write up a quick read list
I just need to see where you're at
also I didn't bring this up early but why'd you hop on this train, it seems a bit out of place given you don't know me
Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:28 am
by Daenerys and Dragons