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In post 1124, ChannelDelibird wrote:I have a problem with you self-voting because it's against the spirit of the game (and I'm speaking with my SE hat on here). Apologies for misappraising your level of experience, though.

I don't expect you to glorify your own lynch. I expect you, if you were town, to do your utmost to show that someone else is more likely to be the remaining scum than you. I've given my reasons why I think everyone else is town but I have an open mind - if you can show me where I'm wrong, I'm willing to see it. It's just that I haven't seen any reason to change my mind yet. Excluding your own vote, there are two votes on you, not four - this is not a hopeless situation for you.

Yes it is. Everyone is fucking tunneling me and don't think about quitting tunneling any time soon.

If you didn't want me to feel like this situation is inevitable then stop fucking tunneling me. It's that simple.

I already said Keyblade is scum.


I have no problem with dying today if it means Keyblade dies tomorrow for town victory.

In post 1125, Saki wrote:

In post 1124, ChannelDelibird wrote:I have a problem with you self-voting because it's against the spirit of the game (and I'm speaking with my SE hat on here). Apologies for misappraising your level of experience, though.

I don't expect you to glorify your own lynch. I expect you, if you were town, to do your utmost to show that someone else is more likely to be the remaining scum than you. I've given my reasons why I think everyone else is town but I have an open mind - if you can show me where I'm wrong, I'm willing to see it. It's just that I haven't seen any reason to change my mind yet. Excluding your own vote, there are two votes on you, not four - this is not a hopeless situation for you.

Yes it is. Everyone is fucking tunneling me and don't think about quitting tunneling any time soon.

If you didn't want me to feel like this situation is inevitable then stop fucking tunneling me. It's that simple.

I already said Keyblade is scum.


I have no problem with dying today if it means Keyblade dies tomorrow for town victory.

"open mind"
"set example for newbies"

Yeah let's deathtunnel the replacement

I don't think you're understanding this here, CDB.

I to be lynched 'cause that'll prove Keyblade scum upon my flip.

Why are you so fucking hesitant?

Does it suck replacing into a slot that people think is likely to be scum? Yes. Does that make it unfair for people to continue to think you are scum? No.

Tunnelling would be if I focused on you without paying any attention to oter players. I've considered every other player (before I considered you, in fact - read my posts starting here and see how my vote comes of how I've thought about everyone rather than focus blindly on one person). Just because I think there are reasons for them to be town doesn't mean that I'm refusing to consider them.

You've told me that Keyblade is scum - I rebutted that by pointing you to why I think he's town. Your only answer to that is that it was "two replacements ago" - you see how I can't take that as a reason to overturn my townread, right? You've not explained to me why what I saw is more likely to come from Keyblade being scum than it is from Keyblade being town. That's the key question.

I repeat: Your situation is not hopeless. . I am asking you to work with me.

PEDIT: NO. If you flip town, that prove that Keyblade is scum. You haven't given me any convincing reason why he would be more likely to be scum than any of the other players. If you die, I'm left with a bunch of townreads and I have to figure out which is wrong. Nothing you've done so far has helped me figure that out.

I'm "hesitant" because this is a newbie game and I really, really want to discourage self-voting as an acceptable practice. If you're town, getting yourself lynched as things stand will not help your win condition, if I haven't been clear enough already. If you were hammered right now and flipped town, I would learn nothing. Therefore you're not playing to your win condition. I want to stress that I'm not OK with that and the mafiascum community at large, when you play other games around here, will not be either.

Meanwhile, here's something I want to ask you.

You think Keyblade is somehow provably scum if you flip. Yet you're questioning my sincerity and commitment to this lynch here and there - and in the next post you'll address me as if I'm town. Your feelings on me are unclear and it looks like you're taking a different tone with me from post to post. It feels disingenuous. What is your read on me exactly?

Every single one of you have tunneled me since I replaced in.
You aren't even asking Keyblade a single question as to why he jumped onto my wagon with a naked vote and refuses to supply me with a vote.

You're not town in my opinion and neither is keyblade.

Everyone's play that I've seen so far is very bad town or scum.


Explain keyblade being town once I flip.

Hey guys, I skimmed the game last night when I offered to replace so I'm sort of caught up but I'm not willing to hammer Saki right now until I've done a more thorough read through. I won't be able to do that until tonight (about 12 hours from now).

The only thing I feel confident about right now is that DP is town based on his Day 2 interactions with Titus. All other reads will have to wait until tonight.

In post 1130, Saki wrote:You aren't even asking Keyblade a single question as to why he jumped onto my wagon with a naked vote and refuses to supply me with a vote.

I found his vote fairly logical, given my conclusions about everyone else. I'd ask him about it tomorrow if I were wrong today but I don't find it particularly indicative of scum.

You're not town in my opinion and neither is keyblade.

At least one of us has to be town. Which is it?

Explain keyblade being town once I flip.

I've told you why I think he's town. If you flipped town, that wouldn't change my reasons - it would make me reevaluate my reasons for everyone being town, not just him, but a townflip from you specifically would have no direct effect on my Keyblade read right now.

Wow. Way to be a jerk in front of the newbies, Saki.

Tone it down.

Also, most Newbie rules says self-voting is either prohibited or strongly cautioned against. I suggest you read some othe newbie games too Saki.

VOTE: CDB

It's all because of Day 2 where he was voting DP (who was leading the charge on Titus) which itself isn't scummy but in 606 he says he "will look at titus". Here are his contributions for the rest of day 2, not a selection of posts but every post following 606:

613 - he will look into things later
733 - should be able to get reads. the game just keeps slipping his mind...
734 - makes excuses for his "failure to deliver promised content"
735 - can't look into titus/DP because of the walls of text. He'll just skim and won't complain if we move on to something other than titus/DP
808 - can't post right now but it will be his top priority tomorrow!
851 - more excuses for not contributing
916 - "fuck the reread." he's just going to pick up things from here
921 - he'll reread the last couple pages when he gets a chance

So over a 2-week period he never delivers on his promise to look into a player that eventually flipped scum. So CDB starts day 3 by promising to look back and find titus's partner 1004. And lo and behold within 10 minutes he has done a reread and found scum 1008!

In post 1096, Keybladewielder wrote:went throught Saki's and Dr.Pepper's, and both see mrather scummish.

Dr.P: The fake guilty thing. Town shouldt do that. And if he is a cop, then he's not a good one. On another note...

Dr.P you and me are in the same games together.

Saki:

Misc. Quotes wrote:Bullshit. Whoever's the cop is scum.

You're asking who I think is scum.

I'm not sure yet, I don't know what is going on and I'm only through about two-thirds of the pages.

In post 1038, DoctorPepper wrote:A cop has a guilty on you right now, which is why you're at L-2. Thoughts?

Were you serious? There's actually a cop on me?

I am the mighty Saki, hear me roar! *meow*

You have part of my fucking sig for reasons why I'm scum, Keyblade.

And yeah if you guys could not tunnel me like Karnage is that'd be great.

the gene/pebro/kbw slot is 2nd scummiest imo. gene gave off big time scum vibes day 1 and I'm amazed he wasn't lynched. I didn't really like pebro's play day 2 but at least he was sort of scumhunting. and kbw...

In post 1096, Keybladewielder wrote:went throught Saki's and Dr.Pepper's, and both see mrather scummish.

Dr.P: The fake guilty thing. Town shouldt do that. And if he is a cop, then he's not a good one. On another note...

Dr.P you and me are in the same games together.

Saki:

Misc. Quotes wrote:Bullshit. Whoever's the cop is scum.

You're asking who I think is scum.

I'm not sure yet, I don't know what is going on and I'm only through about two-thirds of the pages.

In post 1038, DoctorPepper wrote:A cop has a guilty on you right now, which is why you're at L-2. Thoughts?

Were you serious? There's actually a cop on me?
I am the mighty Saki, hear me roar! *meow*

So did you actually read everybody's ISOs? because your whole "case" on saki is based on DP's fake cop thing which you've said is something "town shouldn't do". What was your read on saki's slot for day 1 and day 2?

What did you find in everybody else's ISOs?

add to the reasons for CDB scum that he didn't try to read my self-vote and instead told me not to do it
('cause he needs someone to blame for the mislynch on me, right?)

keyblade please tell me why my sig proves that I'm scum
and why you're sheeping CDB

not sheeping CDB, I voted before he came back in here.

I was quoting by copying and pasting into one big quote, and I accidentally got that in there.

I got nothing as of yet from anyone else's ISOs, except that Deliberd is town, and that Saki's being a dick.

In post 1139, Keybladewielder wrote:not sheeping CDB, I voted before he came back in here.

I was quoting by copying and pasting into one big quote, and I accidentally got that in there.

I got nothing as of yet from anyone else's ISOs, except that Deliberd is town, and that Saki's being a dick.

why would I not be to someone who I asked to explain their scumread on me but refused to do so.

Lemme ask you one final time. How do those quotes make me scummy?

In post 1139, Keybladewielder wrote: I got nothing as of yet from anyone else's ISOs, except that Deliberd is town, and that Saki's being a dick.

What makes you so sure he is town?

In post 1139, Keybladewielder wrote:I got nothing as of yet from anyone else's ISOs, except that Deliberd is town, and that Saki's being a dick.

more like
you don't have a townread on dp?
he's claiming conftown

In post 1140, Saki wrote:

In post 1139, Keybladewielder wrote:not sheeping CDB, I voted before he came back in here.

explain how you aren't?
he doesn't have to be here for you to sheep him

he already was voting me and said I wasn't town in his opinion for the way I reacted to DP.

saying the cop is scum: flat out acting stupid.
refusal to answer who you thought was scum.
acting dumb knowing there's a cop on you.

In post 1144, Keybladewielder wrote:saying the cop is scum: flat out acting stupid.

Wait a second earlier you said

In post 1096, Keybladewielder wrote:went throught Saki's and Dr.Pepper's, and both see mrather scummish.

Dr.P: The fake guilty thing. Town shouldt do that. And if he is a cop, then he's not a good one. On another note...

So either
1 - you don't think DP is the cop and called him scummy yourself which makes you a hypocrite. or
2 - you think DP is the cop with a guilty on saki yet she hasn't been lynched for some reason. (you realize DP isn't even voting for her, right?)

I can't decide if you are scum or if you just don't give a shit.

No, I'm saying calling the cop (real or not) scum is freaking stupid.

Because he's helped us. Notice how he helped us lynch Titus, who was scum.

Dr.P I believe is cop, albeit a scummy acting one.

In post 1144, Keybladewielder wrote:saying the cop is scum: flat out acting stupid.
refusal to answer who you thought was scum.
acting dumb knowing there's a cop on you.

there was no cop on me.
there is no cop

if the cop has a guilty on me = he's lying for the mislynch = of course he's scum

I dont like sticking votes on someone that's V/LA

but well.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Keybladewielder

stalling to provide reasons for his vote is bad
the reasons he gave are even worse