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In post 1138, Saki wrote:add to the reasons for CDB scum that he didn't try to read my self-vote and instead told me not to do it

That is absolutely the only way I would respond to a self-vote in a newbie game. It's a uniformly terrible thing and, as an SE player in this game, I'm obliged to explain how bad it is. See our IC, Bacde's, first post as evidence that we see it as quite an important thing to discourage (which you'd know if you'd read the game - how long have you been in the game now without reading up properly? I've seen no sign that you have actually caught up in full yet).

In post 1134, Karnage wrote:VOTE: CDB

It's all because of Day 2 where he was voting DP (who was leading the charge on Titus) which itself isn't scummy but in 606 he says he "will look at titus". Here are his contributions for the rest of day 2, not a selection of posts but every post following 606:

613 - he will look into things later
733 - should be able to get reads. the game just keeps slipping his mind...
734 - makes excuses for his "failure to deliver promised content"
735 - can't look into titus/DP because of the walls of text. He'll just skim and won't complain if we move on to something other than titus/DP
808 - can't post right now but it will be his top priority tomorrow!
851 - more excuses for not contributing
916 - "fuck the reread." he's just going to pick up things from here
921 - he'll reread the last couple pages when he gets a chance

So over a 2-week period he never delivers on his promise to look into a player that eventually flipped scum. So CDB starts day 3 by promising to look back and find titus's partner 1004. And lo and behold within 10 minutes he has done a reread and found scum 1008!

I can understand why you would be suspicious of my period of lack of activity. I have two things to say to this, one of which I feel is fair and the other I don't really like to bring up in a newbie game but there you go.

The thing I'm a little bit sheepish about is that I do have an unfortunate habit of struggling for activity sometimes over my years of mafia. If you like, I can find some examples of past games where I have been unable to deliver on promised content (as both alignments, so you know it's not a tell for me). If I were in your position, I'd find that unsatisfying, but I'm afraid it is a fact of my play.

However, what I think you should consider more is that it's much easier to read a game when you have a dead scum. Before Titus was dead, the task of getting caught up with the whole game was a much denser task, requiring full reads of the whole thread and thorough examination of everything. After Titus flipped, I had a lot more information to work with when I found time to catch up - now I knew half the scumteam and could look specifically through what that slot did to see how they interacted with people. Searching for buddies is a lot easier to do. Do you have a problem with the conclusions that I made?

In post 1150, ChannelDelibird wrote:

In post 1138, Saki wrote:add to the reasons for CDB scum that he didn't try to read my self-vote and instead told me not to do it

That is absolutely the only way I would respond to a self-vote in a newbie game. It's a uniformly terrible thing and, as an SE player in this game, I'm obliged to explain how bad it is. See our IC, Bacde's, first post as evidence that we see it as quite an important thing to discourage (which you'd know if you'd read the game - how long have you been in the game now without reading up properly? I've seen no sign that you have actually caught up in full yet).

"what do you read the self-vote as" was my question
sorry for not phrasing it properly

I skimmed through the thread. If you really want me to re-read it I will.

I am not a fan of holding replacements to act and think like their predecessors, hence why I skimmed the game.

I cannot answer for JKMatthew's thought process or his play.

I'm not asking you to answer directly for JKMatthews but you can certainly comment on other players and, from that, give us more information. For that, you should have read the whole thread because it seems like you're working off maybe the last 10 pages.

Of course, the problem with replacements is that they cannot slip into the skin of their predecessor. That being a fact of mafia, you can't discount things that their predecessors did. It isn't logical for town to do that.

I understood your question. Primarily my natural response was not to read it, it was to scream NO DON'T DO THAT DON'T DO THAT because it's bad regardless of alignment. Looking at it now, I could see it either way. It's clearly a product of frustration but I've seen that kind of frustration at the claimed inevitability of being lynched from both town and scum, so for that reason it doesn't override my other feelngs.

In post 1153, ChannelDelibird wrote:I'm not asking you to answer directly for JKMatthews but you can certainly comment on other players and, from that, give us more information. For that, you should have read the whole thread because it seems like you're working off maybe the last 10 pages.

Of course, the problem with replacements is that they cannot slip into the skin of their predecessor. That being a fact of mafia, you can't discount things that their predecessors did. It isn't logical for town to do that.

I understood your question. Primarily my natural response was not to read it, it was to scream NO DON'T DO THAT DON'T DO THAT because it's bad regardless of alignment. Looking at it now, I could see it either way. It's clearly a product of frustration but I've seen that kind of frustration at the claimed inevitability of being lynched from both town and scum, so for that reason it doesn't override my other feelngs.

I am currently not working off anything other than things that have happened after I replaced in. From my skim of the game I haven't gained anything useful. A detailed re-read is promised.

I am responsible for JKMatthew's actions however I do not share his motivations and thoughts. I am ignoring your case on me primarily because you have not provided one nor read my predecessor in any fashion.

About self-voting---I do not understand why you insist on calling it a bad practice. There are worse things to do out there, not just self-voting.
I'm not frustrated at all. Simply outright angry at Keyblade for playing badly.

In post 1154, Saki wrote:I'm not frustrated at all. Simply outright angry at Keyblade for playing badly.

Same goes for you.

Since when are "there are worse things" and "it's really bad" mutually exclusive?

You don't share his thoughts but you do share his motivations. Your motivation is to fulfil your win condition.

I have presented a case - a case for everyone else having a good reason to be town and you not having such a reason is a perfectly reasonable case. You still haven't presented a reply further than "but some of those people were replaced".

I think I missed it. Your case. 'cause you never actually made one.

You think Keyblade is town for his shitty reasons for jumping on my wagon?

By the way you're just sitting there deathtunneling me not even bothering to comment on Keyblade being blatantly scummy with his vote there.
Why?

When you tunnel someone hard enough you can start twisting their words to make it a slip. Why would you do that?
'cause you're nowhere near town.

UNVOTE: Keybladewielder
VOTE: ChannelDeliBird

Either you or keyblade is scum, we have two lynches. How perfect.

In post 1157, Saki wrote:I think I missed it. Your case. 'cause you never actually made one.

If you had read the thread properly, like I keep saying, you would know that I made a case for everyone else being less likely to be partners with Titus, starting here.

You think Keyblade is town for his shitty reasons for jumping on my wagon?

I think his jump onto your wagon was null. I think his slot is town.

In post 1158, Saki wrote:By the way you're just sitting there deathtunneling me not even bothering to comment on Keyblade being blatantly scummy with his vote there.

I have commmented.

When you tunnel someone hard enough you can start twisting their words to make it a slip. Why would you do that?

How am I twisting your words?

In post 1159, ChannelDelibird wrote:

In post 1157, Saki wrote:I think I missed it. Your case. 'cause you never actually made one.

If you had read the thread properly, like I keep saying, you would know that I made a case for everyone else being less likely to be partners with Titus, starting here.

You think Keyblade is town for his shitty reasons for jumping on my wagon?

I think his jump onto your wagon was null. I think his slot is town.

In post 1158, Saki wrote:By the way you're just sitting there deathtunneling me not even bothering to comment on Keyblade being blatantly scummy with his vote there.

I have commmented.

When you tunnel someone hard enough you can start twisting their words to make it a slip. Why would you do that?

How am I twisting your words?

And we're back to block one.

Seriously, where am I twisting your words? I more or less understand the impasse everywhere else but I really don't understand where you're coming from on that one.

Do you guys really think Titus would try to get CDB lynched yesterday?

In post 1151, ChannelDelibird wrote:I can understand why you would be suspicious of my period of lack of activity. I have two things to say to this, one of which I feel is fair and the other I don't really like to bring up in a newbie game but there you go.

The thing I'm a little bit sheepish about is that I do have an unfortunate habit of struggling for activity sometimes over my years of mafia. If you like, I can find some examples of past games where I have been unable to deliver on promised content (as both alignments, so you know it's not a tell for me). If I were in your position, I'd find that unsatisfying, but I'm afraid it is a fact of my play.

However, what I think you should consider more is that it's much easier to read a game when you have a dead scum. Before Titus was dead, the task of getting caught up with the whole game was a much denser task, requiring full reads of the whole thread and thorough examination of everything. After Titus flipped, I had a lot more information to work with when I found time to catch up - now I knew half the scumteam and could look specifically through what that slot did to see how they interacted with people. Searching for buddies is a lot easier to do. Do you have a problem with the conclusions that I made?

You can make excuses for your unactivity but you can't just excuse it if that makes any sense.

yes, I do have a problem with your conclusions:

You cleared KBW and I based on single posts because you don't seem to think that rikablu/titus was capable of bussing his scumpartner and since I started playing mafia again a couple of months ago I feel like I've seen day 1 bussing a lot.

Though I agree that bacde is probably town, your read is based on "what you've actually read" so I don't think its strong enough to be definitive.

However I agree that DP is town because scum would need to be insane to go at each other like that day 2.

your saki case is PoE based on these other reads which aren't strong enough to warrant the vote in my opinion.

In post 1152, Saki wrote: I skimmed through the thread. If you really want me to re-read it I will.

YES! READ THE THREAD!

I don't get how you and KBW volunteer to replace into a 40 page game but don't think you need to read it ...

In post 1164, Karnage wrote:I don't get how you and KBW volunteer to replace into a 40 page game but don't think you need to read it ...

In post 1165, Saki wrote:

In post 1164, Karnage wrote:I don't get how you and KBW volunteer to replace into a 40 page game but don't think you need to read it ...

I don't need the game to find scum.

Lynch CDB today and (if there is a tomorrow) lynch Keyblade when he gets back from V/LA.

In post 1166, Saki wrote:

In post 1165, Saki wrote:

In post 1164, Karnage wrote:I don't get how you and KBW volunteer to replace into a 40 page game but don't think you need to read it ...

I don't need the game to find scum.

Lynch CDB today and (if there is a tomorrow) lynch Keyblade when he gets back from V/LA.

but I will read

Welcome nacho

page 23

yessireee deserved to die, almost.
DP you're scummy as fuck
CDB hardlurking and that 'committed to SE' fluff is disgusting

page 24
CDB shows up right as N2 starts ...oh my god does noone notice?

Done.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: DoctorPepper

That is quite some bussing there.


I'm going out on a limb and calling Badce and Pebro town.

Karnage can you give me a short readslist.
KBW if you don't plan on reading the thread, you need to replace out.
CDB explain why the hell you decided to come back and pressure the replacement in hopes of getting a lynch off. It's quite obvious you haven't read the thread closely, either.

I believe the best CoA we can take now is to lynch DoctorPepper today without massclaiming.