Newbie 1961 | Trees II | Over

[teacher]

woah woah woah, I believe that takes him to

L-1.

Scary place to be.

I'm gonna unvote to prevent a hammer.

UNVOTE: Suspicious

I believe he's at

L-2

now

What's wrong with an early L-1?
If scum were on the wagon, would they be more likely to stay there? Or would they be more likely to unvote for potential town points?

FOS

@ Fancy and GeorgeBailey.

K good to know. Lays claim to experience with forum mafia dynamics and an aggressive/seeking reactions playstyle. But someone has referred to playing the newb card since I arrived, so perhaps inconsistent.

Suspicious (2): Vorkuta, Zenith
Zenith (2): Jamelia, GeorgeBailey
GeorgeBailey (2): tictac, FancyPants

Z-J-TT all on different wagons. Z and TT’s conf!town. (again, no implications, just noting).

Zenith (3): Jamelia, GeorgeBailey, tictac
Suspicious (1): Zenith

TT joins J on only wagon>L-4.

from Jamelias profile:
Last visited:17 Oct 2019, 16:31
that's in my local time so about 4 hours ago.

I feel like him just having a single post is scum-indic for him.

Elli-tell that’s easy to back out of? Why say this about the person you are voting with on the only wagon going? Feels blech. The IMMEDIATE response from J doesn’t feel great anything. (I gotta be honest, I would have assumed from name ending and profile pic that Jamelia was a her. Is it reading too much to consider the proper use of pronouns here?) In fact this whole sequence feels weird, like TT switches from you to ya for all of 58. Maybe its simply their shared game history, but it aint sitting well on a cold reread.

good mornin everyone

Calling all Elephants, TTTTs and URAPS.

[teacher]

Anything in particular you want me to hit? Im assuming youre town (you can even call it buddying if you want) since I didnt hammered, so mostly going to be focusing on tictac/z/January interactions.

Well crap, I just read over the last bit looking for the "newb card" bit I remembered, and I see Zenith has in fact posted since January's vote. So I guess the scum team is confirmed at this point.

VOTE: tictac

@Skit, Im glad to try to case if you want, but dont want to waste my time or yours if your mind is pretty made up. I'll be perfectly frank and admit I havent even tried to case, it just mechanically has to be fmpov

[january]

@zenith @skit
i'm not sure why either of you are suddenly hesitating on this just because i voted...

based on the votes, the only possible scumteam that doesn't include teacher is january&tictac

and i get that whichever one is town is hesitant and wants to consider all options but... seriously?

[Zenith]

Ok time to end this.

VOTE: teacher

[Plotinus]

Official Vote Count 3.06

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Lynching

With 5 votes in play, it takes 3 to lynch.

teacher

(3): tictac, january, Zenith

<-- LYNCH

tictac

(1): teacher

Not Voting

(1): skitter30

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-11-15 20:15:00).

Mod notes:

A lynch! teacher

is

was the new DrDolittle.

Every month, mafiascum hosts a song contest. It's a fun way to explore new music / share something you like. Feel free to sign up for it.[/area]

[Plotinus]

Day 3 Lynch - teacher

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teacher has been lynched day 3. He was a

mafia roleblocker.

It is now Night 3. Deadline for night actions is (expired on 2019-11-14 08:45:00). Everybody has posted in the last 24 hours! We can do a shorter night phase if all 4 living players, whether you have night actions or not, say you want that. If I don't hear from everybody or anybody says no then we'll meet again in 2 days.

[/area]

[Plotinus]

Night 3 Kill - tictac

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tictac has been killed night 3. They were a

vanilla townie.

It is now Day 4

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[Plotinus]

Official Vote Count 4.00

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Lynching

With 3 votes in play, it takes 2 to lynch.

Everybody

(0): Nobody

Not Voting

(3): january, skitter30, Zenith

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-11-21 08:50:00).

Mod notes:

The recreational maths game I'm hosting on another part of the site needs a replacement. PM me know if you're interested.[/area]

[january]

who took so long last night just to do nothing/pick an obvious kill lol

can either of you explain why it took so long to hammer yesterday?

[skitter30]

Because i like to feel like i've completely solved the game before i vote in lylo, and i didnt quite get there yesterday (although i was getting close)

I'm probably voting zenith but i need to check a few things

[january]

you can never completely solve the game though..

yesterday you basically said you had to check a few things too, and then you kinda disappeared. maybe i'm biased but it seemed way too obvious for you to take that long to "get there"

i guess this time you actually do need to decide

[january]

kinda feel bad for teacher and i hope he didn't actually read all 40 pages just to get quick lynched lol

also @zenith can you explain your unvote on teacher? just because they got replaced doesn't mean you'd need to change your vote. the fact that you put DDL at L-1 means you're pretty darn sure they're mafia, so whats up with that?

[Zenith]

Skitter was acting weird yesterday. Scum lean on skitter right now.

@january I'm not a fan of quickhammers. If I hadn't unvoted then your vote would have been the hammer. I've stated my thoughts on the issue earlier in this thread. It's common courtesy to state intent to hammer, wait for response, then either hammer or not hammer.

[Zenith]

As soon as it seems like ddl/teacher is most likely going to be lynched, she starts acting weird. It's also kind of strange she's been on every lynch so far cept for when we finally lynch scum.

[january]

@january I'm not a fan of quickhammers. If I hadn't unvoted then your vote would have been the hammer. I've stated my thoughts on the issue earlier in this thread. It's common courtesy to state intent to hammer, wait for response, then either hammer or not hammer.

is this an answer to 1161? it doesn't really answer the question of why you unvoted

if you hadn't unvoted of course i would state intent to hammer before hammering

i was asking why you unvoted in the first place. you put DDL in L-1 but then unvoted and i'm wondering why you did that

[skitter30]

you can never completely solve the game though..

yesterday you basically said you had to check a few things too, and then you kinda disappeared. maybe i'm biased but it seemed way too obvious for you to take that long to "get there"

i guess this time you actually do need to decide

disappearing was more a function of being busier than normal early this week than anything else
and yes, it takes me a very very very long time to 'get there' in lylo; i basically have a tendency to go back and forth with myself until i feel ~satisfied~ with my solve and won't vote until then
not all of the back and forth makes it's way into the thread but i don't want to cast a game deciding vote until i'm p confident that im not losing the game by voting
see: any of my towngames that i'm alive in lylo in if you'd like

[skitter30]

As soon as it seems like ddl/teacher is most likely going to be lynched, she starts acting weird. It's also kind of strange she's been on every lynch so far cept for when we finally lynch scum.

- what does 'acting weird' mean?
- this isn't just to massage my ego, i'm actually going somewhere with this: do you know what the banner beneath my name is for?

[skitter30]

ok things i'm planning on checking before voting:

- the scumslot's associatives with both of you (in both directions)
- vc's
- the first ~ 6 pages of the game

[skitter30]

i'm leaning towards zenith rn for the following reasons:
- the first ~6 pages of the game were p awful
- i feel like he's been relying on the newbie card to skate by for much of the game but many of his (esp. early posts) belie that he has a deeper understanding of the game
- the vote/unvote with ddl yesterday was weird af
- overall don't have a reason to tr him rn, but i do think january has been kinda townie

[Zenith]

soz i haven't been online for a little whille

yeah this basically confirms dolittle/teacher imo

but at the same time... what kind of mafia actually reacts that way in response to getting voted??

anyways this is way too much thinking for my peabrain and i'd rather get this over with if my one and only unchangable townread was wrong

sorry for voting u out so quickly but there isn't much you can do to redeem your slot and POE dictates this

VOTE: teacher

Based on the above posts I thought you had intended to hammer, but now I'm kinda suspicious..

@january I'm not a fan of quickhammers. If I hadn't unvoted then your vote would have been the hammer. I've stated my thoughts on the issue earlier in this thread. It's common courtesy to state intent to hammer, wait for response, then either hammer or not hammer.

is this an answer to 1161? it doesn't really answer the question of why you unvoted

if you hadn't unvoted of course i would state intent to hammer before hammering

i was asking why you unvoted in the first place. you put DDL in L-1 but then unvoted and i'm wondering why you did that

Which unvote specifically are you asking about?

[skitter30]

guess i'm a coward
what exactly don't you want me to do?

@Suspicious, went back and saw that but my reasoning still stands. Might just be you using a different approach than me but I don't see how anything Bailey has done seems particularly scummy - the unvote seemed like a very natural time and what I would expect them to do as town, so I'd like to see how that seems scummy to you. What would you have expected them to do as town?

Don't be insecure about your opinions because it doesn't help us at all.
If you're wrong be wrong, it's annoying when people won't commit to a position.

maybe anti-associative

[skitter30]

I dont think Zenith is scum, it doesn't feel right, stuff like putting people at L-1 happens in Newbies at the time. I'd say his odds of being scum are about the same as what they were at the beginning of the game, I.e 2/9.

[skitter30]

@CeeJay, can you elaborate on your reasons for your Zenith vote for posterity?

he's calling a *lot* of attention to how people voted for zenith which actually feels kinda anti-associative

[Zenith]

As soon as it seems like ddl/teacher is most likely going to be lynched, she starts acting weird. It's also kind of strange she's been on every lynch so far cept for when we finally lynch scum.

- what does 'acting weird' mean?
- this isn't just to massage my ego, i'm actually going somewhere with this: do you know what the banner beneath my name is for?

Acting weird as in like posts: 1130, 1144, 1146.
And I'd guess it means you are difficult for people to read?

i'm leaning towards zenith rn for the following reasons:
- the first ~6 pages of the game were p awful
- i feel like he's been relying on the newbie card to skate by for much of the game but many of his (esp. early posts) belie that he has a deeper understanding of the game
- the vote/unvote with ddl yesterday was weird af
- overall don't have a reason to tr him rn, but i do think january has been kinda townie

I guess we lose then. Oh well, maybe next time.

Also, I never played a newb card wth you still talking about? If anything, I guess you could call it a null card? Or at least, you could call it a null card if you haven't paid attention to my posts.

Spoiler: really?

If you look at my ISO, I've been dropping obvious jargon since my second post. I thought I made it quite clear in post 163, but I guess not clear enough.

Given the above, I'm surprised someone of your caliber would be pushing this newb card narrative. It relies on baseless assumptions while also ignoring contrary evidence.

[skitter30]

Acting weird as in like posts: 1130, 1144, 1146.
And I'd guess it means you are difficult for people to read?

ok i thought you were going somewhere else with being weird
why is being weird scummy in this context ?