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In post 1147, Infinity 324 wrote:@shiki

i think kyouko was saying that galron's scenario assumed that she was town and it's tmi simply for that reason

if galron had included a scenario where kyouko was scum in the question then i don't think it would've been a problem

i think it's an overuse of tmi

but it was prompted by drippinggoofball's vote of skitter

so asking drippinggoofball about a potential scum!skitter scenario that assumed kyouko was town would be like

'hm, do you really think scum!skitter would do this?'

which does not imply an information slip to me?

and i am having a lot of trouble understanding how it would to someone else

but also i know i am probably doing the thing where i am consumed right now

In post 487, DrippingGoofball wrote:It's been my experience that infinity is an "easy scumread" - a weakness that scum would definitely exploit.

Infinity, have you had a disproportionate number of scum on your final wagons? Including scum that suspects you but may be voting elsewhere for cover?

waow

ah yeah i still feel like that's the type of thing people call tmi often but we can see what kyouko says

@DGB you should check out this game where Scum!infinity tap dances all over this town:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=86308

In post 1134, rousseau wrote:

In post 1131, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Galron is addressing DGB in response to it voting Skitter.
Galron says, to DGB, does scum!Skitter push town [Kyouko] like this?
I identify this (Galron referring to me as town) feels TMI to me because so far I have felt that Galron viewed me as null or scummy, and that if anything, he should have a negative view of me because he sees the discussion about the callers as distracting.

1.

yeah first you meant not to be there

but asking

2.

do you think scum!skitter does pushes you like this as town?

3.

does not imply that you are town? like you are answering the question for drippinggoofball as 'yes' in order to conclude that

4.

galron was tmiing you as town?

5.

whereas asking 'do you think scum!skitter pushes a wagon likely to fall apart like this?'

6.

to me implies that galron thinks it is not super likely but is asking drippinggoofball for their opinion

In post 1135, rousseau wrote:

7.

and thus if not likely that galron thinks scum!skitter would do this, that implies galron thinks more likely town!skitter, thus not inconsistent with earlier interactions with you

8.

so i am asking why this sort of question means that to you

1. I'm thinking this is a reference to a typo, not sure. If it's important lmk.
2. This is the exact question that was asked, with the green inserted by me for clarity, because the wording in your post is unclear:

In post 295, Galron wrote:

In post 282, DrippingGoofball wrote:VOTE: skitter30

Does a scum!Skitter spend this much effort trying to build a case on town

[Kyouko]

on day 1 of a phase when it's likely any wagon there is likely to break up?

3. I am the player that Skitter was spending effort in trying to build a case on, so yes, it does imply that I am town. If DGB had answered yes, it would follow that DGB also concedes that I am town for the purposes of answering the question. I have drawn no conclusions about anyone, including DGB, from a made-up answer to this question. I drawn conlcusions about Galron based on the wording he used in his own question. He chose those words.

4. Galron slipping that he thinks I am town here. If he were not, he would have worded the question differently.
5. <nothing to respond to>
6. I don't disagree with your conclusion here. This, however, has nothing to do with Galron TMIing me as town. If he was posing the question as though I were town, he would have said "town!Kyouko", instead of "town", because he did use "scum!Skitter" as a hypothetical.
7. Galron's read on skitter is not what is inconsistent. What is inconsistent is that he sees the discussions about the callers as a distraction, but even though I have been very focused on the callers, he slips that I am town, when he hasn't mentioned anything of the sort before. In fact, later on, when I further clarify that the inconsistency on me is related to my focus on the callers, he claims he has no read on me yet, but he does have a view on me:

In post 497, Galron wrote:

In post 453, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Galron I think should have a different view of me based on his stance around the communications from the callers. He said they're a distraction and town should not abide a distraction taking hold of the thread

What is my view of you? I'm not even sure I've got a read on you yet, but I do have a view. I'll tell you about it after you tell me what you think it is.

I believe the initial communications were a distraction, yes, put there for color. Whether the subsequent ones are relevant, no idea yet.

8. Apples and oranges. My read on Galron is not related to "this sort of question" in the sense you seem to think it is. The only relation it has to that question is that in the wording of that question, Galron TMIs that I am town.

That took a while to write because Rousseau is obfuscating the issue with the formatting and misquoting the actual content of the quotes because it's coming from memory^

In post 521, DrippingGoofball wrote:

In post 510, rousseau wrote:

In post 509, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Also Galron, in 490, who are you about to sheep? What is "the call on cephrir" and who made it? It seems from context it's meant to be me but I'm leaning town on him

drippinggoofball, i assume, who declared cephrir to be scum

Are you prepared to defend Cephrir beign town?

In post 523, DrippingGoofball wrote:

In post 402, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 389, DrippingGoofball wrote:Kyouko is my strongest town read.

May I ask about this?
FYI

I could see Cephrir!scum atm

In post 524, DrippingGoofball wrote:

In post 395, Ydrasse wrote:Skitter
Rousseau, Tetrina

Pooky, Cephrir

Gamma
Roden, DGB
Galron, Kyouko, House
Infinity

In post 398, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I like most of ydrasse's list, feels pretty close to my thoughts so far, at the very least it reinforces for me that she's town even if we're both wrong.

Mine goes:
Townread: Rousseau, Ydrasse

Townlean: Skitter, Cephrir,

Nulltown: Tetrina
Null: Gamma, Pooky, House
Nullscum: Roden, DGB
Scumlean: Galron
Scumread: Infinity

Care ti defend the Cephrir town reads? Maybe I'm wrong. Convince me.

these posts all feel rather yucky to me, feels like DGB wants to make people capitulate on their Cephrir TRs

In post 1127, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 1119, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:

In post 1085, rousseau wrote:

In post 1069, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:VOTE: Galron

third times the charm?

can you explain to me the issue with

'do you think scum!player (where player is not the one speaking or being spoken to) would do this:'

as that seems to be the basis for your galron read as well as for your gamma emerald case

It's not the basis for my Galron read, I don't know if that's even a point I've made against Galron. Maybe you mean my comment on the way that Gamma moved from Galron to DGB? That is equity with scum!Gamma that comes from Gamma's side and isn't AI for Galron unless Gamma flips red. It makes me feel better that there is equity between my scumreads, but I'm not scumreading Galron

because

of Gamma.

I wouldn't call it the

basis

for my Gamma case, but that's possibly a matter of perception. It is the

reason

I tried to trap him around an infinity partner read. I think his behavior around her, and hers around him, are suspicious, but I don't think there is interest in eliminating him today.

The reason it pinged me in the first place is this - it is a tell specific to Gamma:
"Will ask the general playerbase how they feel about his partner to either a) remove them from people's minds to eliminate or b) know the time is right to bus them
Source: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12881030 (Large 233)"
(from Gamma's scumtells in a notes file I keep on my PC)

https://forum.starmen.net/forum/Communi ... ost2267162
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10312868

these are examples of me actually doing the thing you're talking about as scum

it would be nice if you would acknowledge this

I've seen it^

and you have nothing to say about ti?

In post 1155, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:That took a while to write because Rousseau is obfuscating the issue with the formatting and misquoting the actual content of the quotes because it's coming from memory^

now it just looks to me like your point is,

is tmi because 'town' instead of 'town!kyouko'

which, uh, shrug

what's the rest of the reasoning as to why galron is a scums?

i think this conversation needs a mediator so

@kyouko i think rousseau's point is that, dgb was the one assuming/thinking you were town (at least from galron's perspective) because dgb voted skitter for what galron thought was her push on you. galron was simply questioning the skitter-scum you-town narrative.

In post 560, Roden wrote:I'm falling behind hard in this game. By the time I had time to post, everyone else's posting had died down unfortunately. At this point Kyouko is my strongest town read so I'm probably just gonna sheep her until I can settle into the game better.

I'm not particularly scum reading Infinity and the Galron wagon built up to quickly, so...

VOTE: DGB

I feel like this post is scum for two reasons, the way Roden says he's gonna sheep kyouko feels a bit cowardly, and it feels like he's afraid to be on a miselim so he decided to bus instead

In post 573, Galron wrote:

In post 569, Roden wrote:

In post 564, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 560, Roden wrote:I'm falling behind hard in this game. By the time I had time to post, everyone else's posting had died down unfortunately. At this point Kyouko is my strongest town read so I'm probably just gonna sheep her until I can settle into the game better.

I'm not particularly scum reading Infinity and the Galron wagon built up to quickly, so...

VOTE: DGB

If DGB was wagoner in place of Galron would you be voting Galron here?

Yeah, I would. I don't know if they're partnered, but if they're both suspected then I want to see which wagon has more resistance.

Also, I moved off of Skitter because reading through the thread it just looks like they're sensitive to being scum read. I know that's NAI because I'm like that as well no matter my alignment, so they're just null to me for now. Not a town read though because their wagon fell apart quickly and it seemed like there was resistance to it.

This is the towniest thing Roden has posted. I have a null-scum lean there though. His previous posts were not townie.

this actually seems like a solid assessment of Roden

In post 1160, rousseau wrote:

In post 1155, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:That took a while to write because Rousseau is obfuscating the issue with the formatting and misquoting the actual content of the quotes because it's coming from memory^

now it just looks to me like your point is,

is tmi because 'town' instead of 'town!kyouko'

which, uh, shrug

what's the rest of the reasoning as to why galron is a scums?

shortly thereafter he says he doesn't have a read on me yet, which is in contradiction with him calling me town in his question to DGB. I think this further indicates that calling me town was a slip and he's backtracking to cover it up.
I also haven't seen anything since then to convince me he's townie or solving.
Furthermore, the way he says he "leaned in" to your meme question about the triangle of being annoyed between Tetrina, you, and him, makes me think he's having trouble engaging in general and is "leaning in" to try to force some involvement. Describing it as leaning in reveals that he is aware he is detached, and it feels like something scum would do: Open up about what they're actually feeling in a game to appear genuine and therefore townie.

i'm far from galron's biggest fan but i thought he meant lean in as in leaning into the joke

i did think it was kind of an awkward post anyway

In post 1164, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:shortly thereafter he says he doesn't have a read on me yet, which is in contradiction with him calling me town in his question to DGB. I think this further indicates that calling me town was a slip and he's backtracking to cover it up.
I also haven't seen anything since then to convince me he's townie or solving.
Furthermore, the way he says he "leaned in" to your meme question about the triangle of being annoyed between Tetrina, you, and him, makes me think he's having trouble engaging in general and is "leaning in" to try to force some involvement. Describing it as leaning in reveals that he is aware he is detached, and it feels like something scum would do: Open up about what they're actually feeling in a game to appear genuine and therefore townie.

but had he said town!kyouko you wouldn't feel as though he was calling you town, so again, shrug

hm, and this is the strongest you feel about any player in the game right now?

Actually 573 is solvey.

@infinity I'll go back and look at that, I didn't get that impression from the original Galron-DGB interaction

pedit: and yes, he was leaning in to the joke. In Large 233, I was completely lost for what to do early on. Town was talking too fast and too deep for me to get a breath. town!Anya started the game by trolling, claiming she was in a masonry with no other players. Later she changed it to say she was in a neighborhood with me. I was scum, and there was no neighborhood. I used that as scum and leaned in to it and started trolling her back and pretended I was in the hood with her. That got me revitalized in the game and took a lot of scrutiny off of me. The way he says he "leaned in" reminds me of how I "leaned in" to Anya's joke/trolling and used that to distract town.

I lost that game, but I made it pretty far.

In post 1166, rousseau wrote:

In post 1164, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:shortly thereafter he says he doesn't have a read on me yet, which is in contradiction with him calling me town in his question to DGB. I think this further indicates that calling me town was a slip and he's backtracking to cover it up.
I also haven't seen anything since then to convince me he's townie or solving.
Furthermore, the way he says he "leaned in" to your meme question about the triangle of being annoyed between Tetrina, you, and him, makes me think he's having trouble engaging in general and is "leaning in" to try to force some involvement. Describing it as leaning in reveals that he is aware he is detached, and it feels like something scum would do: Open up about what they're actually feeling in a game to appear genuine and therefore townie.

but had he said town!kyouko you wouldn't feel as though he was calling you town, so again, shrug

hm, and this is the strongest you feel about any player in the game right now?

yes, if he had said town!Kyouko, it would imply he is only saying I am town for the purpose of the question. He didn't say that though, so, no shrug.

This is the strongest scumread I have.

In post 1168, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:yes, if he had said town!Kyouko, it would imply he is only saying I am town for the purpose of the question. He didn't say that though, so, no shrug.

they seem interchangeable to me - i think i'd be more likely to say town if asking that question because which town it was specifically seems not relevant to me, but i am not really sure,

In post 602, DrippingGoofball wrote:Galron, what was the point of that tedious post-by-post Tetrina iso? It was very boring.

In post 675, DrippingGoofball wrote:

In post 674, rousseau wrote:but why correct me from the +town one to the not +town one when my post was directed to someone else simply containing my understanding of cephrir's post

I'm nosy.

what the hell does this have to do with the topic at hand?

In post 696, skitter30 wrote:

In post 688, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:The way you insisted when pushing me reminded me of myself when I get tunneled as town. I could feel the determination in your posts, and I recognized that when I answered your questions, you would feel begrudgingly satisfied with the answer, but then you would find something else and push me on that (because you're tunneled town). Eventually you seemed satisfied with everything, but I get the feeling you're not going to TR me fully at all this game, or if you do, it will be volatile because you'll be hanging on to a nagging suspicion about me.

If you're not sure of the Galron wagon and don't like the cephrir one, are you SRing anyone besides Infinity atm?

ok yeah this is fair
(uh sorry for the tunnel if you're town >.>)
i am feeling somewhat better abt you know than i did last night tbh

~

this is where i'm at:

In post 0, Morning Tweet wrote:1. Ydrasse - town
2. Galron - town?
3. DrippingGoofball - scum? not a strong read tho, i can see it being town too i suppose
4. Tetrina -town
5. skitter30 - shining beacon of towniness
6. Gamma Emerald - town? but very weak/shaky read
7. ssbm_Kyouko - nulltown maybe? not sure
8. Roden - null, no thoughts
9. Infinity 324 - scummyish
10. Cephrir - town?
11. House - scummy? dislike the tetrina vote
12. rousseau - i'm not sure rn. i dont' feel as townie on her as i know a lot of people are
13. PookyTheMagicalBear - hard null and i find that somewhat worrying

this feels like a good readlist from skitter

In post 1114, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 1110, DrippingGoofball wrote:

In post 1104, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 253, DrippingGoofball wrote:

Town

DGB
Kyouko
Pooky
Ydrasse
Infinity 324

Null

Galron
Roden

Scum

rousseau
skitter30
Cephrir
Tetrina
House

why was rousseau scum for you here?

I haven't updated this since forever, move up rousseau, skitter and tetrina.

that's nice, but I'd still like the question answered

I don't recall and I'm too lazy to go back and re-derive it from first principles.

eh
I was hoping you would since it was against thread current so it felt like it might be a good read to sort you on