Mini 1567 - Such Unusual Pretermen... ...Evil Too!

[Juls]

Night 1 - vezok died because I was scared he was an actual investigative role since he was so against the N0 gunsmith.
Night 2 - geists died because I knew people would transform me or geists and by killing geists I took care of all the transformations. Didn't know everyone would transform me.
Night 3 - LML died because he was very townie and someone I could claim to pass the transformer to and get away with it.
Night 4 - Lowercase died because we knew he was the gunsmith again and that would be troublesome for me.

[SleepyKrew]

Told you you were worrying too much ^_^

[Juls]

Thank you fish.

Honestly, I think towns biggest mistake was the mass claim. Town-Juls would have also been against the mass claim and that's why I was against it. By mass claiming we knew everything that needed to be done.

Also, I was a little perturbed with Empking during the game. Failing to replace someone and not extending deadline is really crappy. Also, I thought mod-confirming Nobody Special by first answering the question of kill flavor relevance and then by timing of post was really bad. I actually reported him to the list mod because of it...but I ended up cooling down and sending the list mod a note and telling them I wasn't trying to get Emp in trouble, I was just upset and thought he needed to be "talked" to.

[Juls]

@SKrew thank you for replacing in. I feel bad that MTD doesn't get the win but he really wasn't playing.

[Lowercase]

I never said it, but Vezok's death was one of the reasons I thought fish and NS were both town. Didn't make sense unless the scum didn't understand the transformation roles during N1. I figured it would open a big can of WIFOM worms if I said it though.

[Lowercase]

I got paranoid about fish later on though.

[Kagami]

Timing of the VC was an mod-error, but a subtle one; I don't blame emp for that. Somehow you guys still got a lynch through on him anyway =\

[Juls]

Yeah, not sure how we pulled that off.

[Juls]

I'm looking forward to reading the role PMs because I don't really understand how my role helped scum at all. I also want to see what others would have transformed into.

[Lowercase]

I still don't understand how the VC conf-towned him. It just confirmed that he asked a town-looking question, which he could have easily done as scum.

[Juls]

Well from the perspective of scum who sees a townie beating the drum of mod-confirmation it's pretty deflating. Especially when that is one of the only few people you can swing a mislynch of. Honestly, I don't think the question should have been answered at all, in private or thread. I was already a little annoyed at Empking because he didn't actually put the flavor in the flip, he only put it in the opening post. We were intentionally using the different kill styles to cause confusion. If NS hadn't looked in the OP, it wouldn't even have been noticed.

[MTD]

@SKrew thank you for replacing in. I feel bad that MTD doesn't get the win but he really wasn't playing.

Yup, sorry about that again, it was better this way. Thank you SKrew
And good job!

[Lowercase]

Eh, I wasn't really bothered by the handling of the question. I mean, to me it was obviously yes, because if it were no then it would be like saying there isn't a gunsmith.

But even so, I figure if two scum in a team have different kill flavors, it must be role-related. If two scum on different teams have different flavors, it's still game-relevant even the flavor doesn't interact with any other mechanics. So I think the answer has to be yes regardless.

[Juls]

I think the answer is "Everything in the game could be relevant" but again, I think at the time I just felt like that had lost us the game.

[Empking]

Spoiler: Actions+PMs

"A mother does not flee without her children."

You are

Daenerys Targaryen

, Mother of Dragons, you feel a little sick as if you're somewhere that you don't really belong. You also feel awfully alone, and one immediate observation you can make is that your dragons do not seem to be here with you; at least you know you didn't flee! I suppose you have no choice, but to find out if any among you are your dragons. Obviously, it can't be anyone with the mien of a player of the Game of Throne, but perhaps some of these other creatures.

Powers

Mother of Dragons (French): You know that no power other than that of Daenerys' can cause dragons to enter existance.
A Dragon is No Slave (Active): Eaxh night you may target a player and attempt to reveal to your target their dragon form. This will only function if their Game of Throne self is a dragon.

You win if all non-town players are elimnated and at least one town player remains.

Mod Note: Jane Austen pickers are the only ones that can be dragonified, and dragon are one-shot vigs.

'I'm no lady'

You are

Brienne of Tarth

, although you are normally rather strong you are currently feeling queasy as if you are in a place that you were not supposed to be. Still, the only thing to be done is to resist the forces of evil.

Powers

Knocking men like you into the dust (Non-Consecutive): Each night, unless you have used this power on the directly preceding night, you may target a player preventing them from taking any active abilities that night. In addition you may choose to act as a bodyguard for that same player.

You win if all non-town players are elimnated and at least one town player remains.

'You may certainly ask to be forgiven,'

You are

Elinor Dashwood

, you are full of good sense and that good sense tells you that you may no longer be in 18th century England, but somewhere quite entirely different. You have no choice, but to make the best of things and attempt to solve the problem that you find yourself present in.

Powers

I only wish there were any thing I COULD do, which might be of comfort to you (Active): Each night you may attempt to target a player and attempt to cure them of ills that include: roleblocked, vanillaised, tracked, delayed, loverised, millerised or poisoned.

You win if all non-town players are elimnated and at least one town player remains.

'Help was not promised, lovely girl. Only death.'

You are

Jaqen H'ghar

, trapped in a place you feel like you don't belong you have no real way forward, but to stop with the dimensional disrupting mafia and to stay alive.

Powers

A man has thirst a boy can make a friend (Active): Each night you may target a player. Any action that were to take will instead be redirected to a doc protect on yourself. If this action prevents your death, your target will gain a one-shot day-vig kill usable until you've died; the reciever shall not be informed of the limitation, nor the reason for the power.
After all the things you have seen, this is your question? (Passive): Any tracker targeting you will a result of 'Where he went you do not know' even if you have not gone anywhere. You will also return as 'A mysterious man' to any Watchers.


You win if all non-town players are elimnated and at least one town player remains.

"The First Sword of Braavos does not run."

You are

Syrio Forel 

. It is fair to say that your morality has been twisted in your movement from your dimension to the current one in servvice of a Mafia and its mysterious employer.

Powers

And there is only one thing we say to Death: "not today". (One-Shot): One time at anytime in the gamer you may choose a player other than yourself, and they will gain immunity from any kills other than the lynch as long as you are alive.

You win if the Mafia makes up at least 50% of the town.

"Poor Fanny! not allowed to cheat herself as she wishes!"

You are

Edmund Bertram

, although what a person of such good character is doing working with a Mafia is a mystery. Perhaps the rest of the family (save Fanny) had already joined in.

"My dear little cousin, what can be the matter?" (Active) - Each night you may target a player. THey will be informed that they may communicate to an anonymous player who targeted them with a communique of up to 100 words the next day, you may also send a twenty word (or less) not with that message. If they send you a reply, you will be able to send them a message that same day of up to ninety words.

You win if the Mafia makes up at least 50% of the town.

"My brother Aegon reigned after him, when I had refused the throne" - Master Aemon

You are

Aegon V Targaryen

. A man both out of time and out of dimension you may take comfort in that you are surpisingly knowledgable.

Egg (Active): You may not use this power with any other. Target a player each night and you shall learn if your target is a dragon.
Targaryen (Active): You may not use this power with any other. Target a player each nighht and you will learn if thery have the essense of a member of your house.

You win if all non-town players are elimnated and at least one town player remains.

"I have been used to consider poetry as the food of love,"

You are

Mr.Darcy

, those prejudiced against you might be surprised to find you on the side of good, however if you have pride it certainly isn't enough to make you join them!

His misfortunes! yes, his misfortunes have been great indeed. (Passive): All players that target you shall appear as innocent to any investigations to Cops, Gunless by Gunsmiths and if performing a scum kill they will appear as if they went nowhere to both Trackers and Watchers.

You win if all non-town players are elimnated and at least one town player remains.

"What a sweet woman Lady Middleton is!"

You are

Lucy Steele

, you are not a bad person and thus it can come to no surprise that here in this odd and strange place you are on the side of good, although of course you'll be sensible about it.

I have never been able to give him my picture in return, which I am very much vexed at, for he has been always so anxious to get it! (One-Shot): One night you may target a player and have the choice of one of the following actions depending on what night it was; you may use actions that were made available on a preceeding night.
Night One: Bodyguard or Report
Night Two: Doc or Track
Night Three: Jailkeep or Watch
Night Four: Alignment Cop or RoleCop
Night Five: Alignment and RoleCop or doc protect as many players as you please (you may target yourself with this)

You win if all non-town players are elimnated and at least one town player remains.

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You are a Gunsmith, this town has gone ridiculous recently people have been vanishing - as have your tools - others have been coming in, but overall your prosperous town has a population of only fourteen. Terrible!

Although your tools have vanished you still have your human capital. As such, each night you may target a player, check their items, and see if they've got a gun.

You win if all scum players are eliminated, and at least one town player remains.

You are a Agent Plxynzkk from the 23rd Century, Transformer Owner, your reponsibility is to fix destructive dimensional drafts. You have two tools to help you in this adventure: Your gun and a TRansformer Device (not a robot in disguise).
Alas, the laser battery in your gaun failed to teleport here with you (suggesting that the Transformer device is the only thing capable of doing that), while the Transformer Device simply transforms its user into a creature from an alternative dimension.

The following things are true about the Transformer:
1. It may be transferred, as a free action, to another player each night.
2. If it is used it must be transferred to another player that night.
3. It may be used upon any player including the user ajnd including the dead.
4. THe oprevious three rules and this rule will be informed to all players on reciept of the player plus its name as a Transformer Device.
5. It replaces the target with a creature from another dimension.

You win if all scum players are eliminated, and at least one town player remains.

You are an In-Flux, you know nothing else about your identity. Do you even have an identity?

Each night you may target a player and their role hall be transformed.

You win if all scum players are eliminated, and at least one town player remains.

You are a Mafia Goon. The Mafia have sent you and your buddies here to capture this, apparently abandoned town and the 'dimensional nexus' it stands upon.

You may post [here] at any time. You also have a factional kill - your flavour is 'shot' - that ay be performed by a single player each night other than Zero. On night Zero you must choose a player to have their role (not alignment) moved to their Austen/GoT pick.

You win if the Mafia makes up at least 50% of the town.

You are a Vanilla Townie.

You win if all scum players are eliminated, and at least one town player remains.

Night:

N0:
Who (Gunsmith) targeted Josh B
MTD (Mafia Goon) transformed himsel
FormerFish (In-Flux) fluxxed Who

N1:
MTD (Mafia Srraph Knight) protected Juls
Juls (Mafia Goon) killed Vezokripka


N2:
MTD (Mafia Seraph Knight) killed Geists
Lowercase (One-Shot Role) tracked LoudMouthLee
FormerFish (In-Flux) fluxxed Juls
NobodySpecial (Transformer owner) transformed self and gave Juls the power

N3:
FormerFish (In-Flux) targeted Who
Juls (Dragonifier) did:
Transform: Kagami
Dragon: Kagami
Pass Transformer: Loud Mouth Lee
Kill: Loud Mouth Lee

N4:
Juls Dragonned Lowercase
Juls killed Lowercase
Kagami killed Formersish
FormerFish (In-Flux) targeted Belisarius

[Kagami]

I still don't understand how the VC conf-towned him. It just confirmed that he asked a town-looking question, which he could have easily done as scum.

To me it was pretty relevant, I just don't see scum-NS asking an "If I were town, would you answer..." question.

[Josh_B]

Wow, that WIFOM of game setup could have been townie... If it wasn't so obvious that I was scum, flavor fishing.

[Nobody Special]

I maintain the opinion that a scumteam with differing kill flavors is borderline bastard.

[fferyllt]

gg Juls. We never had more than the slightest flickers of suspicion about you.

[Juls]

Thanks! You were too townie, you had to go. But I enjoyed you guys!

[Kagami]

I maintain the opinion that a scumteam with differing kill flavors is borderline bastard.

I actually really liked that as a mechanic. Imo, godfathers are pretty much bastard, but this version, where the GF is identified by an obviously-GF kill flavor, is much much better.

[Lowercase]

Yeah Gunsmith > cop. With a gunsmith you know where you stand

[Lowercase]

Well, cops are good when there aren't godfathers or framers/tailors.

[fferyllt]

You were too townie

Most games, it's only people who have meta'd me within an inch of my life who think that. There weren't many aforementioned players in this game. Pity the scum team thought so!

[fferyllt]

Well, cops are good when there aren't godfathers or framers/tailors.

gunsmiths have similar nerf-factors.