Newbie 1388 Nexlexia Game Over

[Saki]

Hence my rage at town and the self-vote.

[ChannelDelibird]

You voted my predecessor off PoE

Just because you disagree with that doesn't make it unreasonable.

then condemned me as scum based off a reaction test someone else read me town on.

Well, initially I didn't know it was a reaction test. It didn't occur to me - personally, I'm not sure what reaction you could possibly have expected other than "bwuh?" so no obvious gain from it. Also I don't see anyone who's actually said that they think the DP vote was indicative of town. Karnage, for example, said the opposite?

As to whether it actually genuinely was a reaction test, I'll admit I'm more conflicted here. There's certainly little explanation for it as a genuine vote as either alignment, so it's certainly manufactured in that way, but I'm not sure what it was meant to add other than confusion. Your approach is so scattergun that it's very hard to figure out how you think it's helping.

[ChannelDelibird]

I'm willing to admit, at this point, that confirmation bias may be affecting me. When massclaim is finished I'll go over everything again and see if my vote is still in the best place.

[Saki]

You voted my predecessor off PoE

then provided no legitimate reason therefore to why you thought everyone else was town apart from DP.

[ChannelDelibird]

Your definition of legitimate is clearly different to mine. Again, you can disagree with my reasoning, but I did give a considered reason for each (apart from possibly Bacde, although I can't remember if I discussed why I thought he was town earlier in the game).

[Saki]

I don't like your case 'cause it's not recent enough. A post from Rikablu somewhere early in the game proves KBW town? You said yourself you were going to look into Titus' play to look for the remaining scum yet you quote Rikablu.

Also you do say yourself that you did not read the thread.

+You seem deadly focused on Titus' flip but you provide no insight whatsoever into yessiree or Nobody Special's flip which I doubt should go ignored.

[ChannelDelibird]

Rikablu IS Titus, though I grant that I could have kept reading beyond that - but when I found the posts in question I decided that they were good enough town indicators that they were worth running with. Your obsession with recency is weird and unfair - posts do not have an expiry date, replacements do not get townier just for having replaced in. It doesn't "prove" Keyblade town, no, but as I said at the time it was good enough to go on for now while we still have a mislynch left.

Yes, there have been times when I've explicitly said "I'm not reading the thread right now". That's when we didn't have a scumflip and I just needed to get into the game

somehow

to make myself useful. Whether or not you think I succeeded at that is up to you. However, after the scumflip, I've made sure that I'm caught up with everything, as is sensible. Just because at one point in this game I needed to not read in order to help add some kind of content doesn't mean I never went back when I was more in tune with things.

yessiree's and NS's flips are fundamentally different to Titus's because I can't search for specific buddy/non-buddy tells from town players. Is it not obvious to you that it's easier to dig into flipped scum to find scum?

[Saki]

Rikablu IS Titus, though I grant that I could have kept reading beyond that - but when I found the posts in question I decided that they were good enough town indicators that they were worth running with. Your obsession with recency is weird and unfair - posts do not have an expiry date, replacements do not get townier just for having replaced in. It doesn't "prove" Keyblade town, no, but as I said at the time it was good enough to go on for now while we still have a mislynch left.

Yes, there have been times when I've explicitly said "I'm not reading the thread right now". That's when we didn't have a scumflip and I just needed to get into the game

somehow

to make myself useful. Whether or not you think I succeeded at that is up to you. However, after the scumflip, I've made sure that I'm caught up with everything, as is sensible. Just because at one point in this game I needed to not read in order to help add some kind of content doesn't mean I never went back when I was more in tune with things.

yessiree's and NS's flips are fundamentally different to Titus's because I can't search for specific buddy/non-buddy tells from town players. Is it not obvious to you that it's easier to dig into flipped scum to find scum?

My obsession with recency is hardly what I call 'unfair,' especially if I'm replacing into a 40 page game where the only case made against me is PoE based off you gutreading people from 500 posts ago.

Also you cannot discount the fact that people's reads and behavior will change over nearly 30-40 page gap between Rikablu and us now, and I do not see the point in your reads not changing.

Badce's hesitance to vote Titus is town?
JKMatthew's hardlurking through D2 is town?

These are some things that really stood out to me and yet you failing to notice them while making a case about 'hey everyone is town except you...sooooooo' makes me wonder if your case is valid.

Also, really, will a townflip provide

that

much less information than a scumflip? From my experience on-site a townflip is still very valuable and I doubt you are a player not skilled enough to deduce scum based on townflips.

[ChannelDelibird]

UNVOTE: Saki

Full response to that post later - I'm about to go and get lunch - but, while I disagree with you almost totally on many, many levels, I may be wrong about you being scum.

In an ideal world, when I've come back from lunch (or just soon), we'll actually have finished this massclaim and be able to really narrow things down.

[Saki]

KBWWWWWWWW

Vt with v strong scum read on the brit. Keyblade!

Alright. enjoy your lunch.

[Saki]

I may be wrong about you being scum.

I'd rather like to know the reasoning behind this than a response to that post too

[ChannelDelibird]

They're kind of one and the same but, rest assured, I will give both.

[ChannelDelibird]

Increasingly I think I'm arguing with Saki simply because we disagree and I haven't been able to let it drop. However, at this point, the effort and conviction that has gone into his replies, that he has continually and unshakeably kept going, is making me think that this is genuine town belief in what he's saying. That so many of his replies are coming straight after mine tells me these things are coming right off the top of his head - these things are not being made up, they really are what's immediately occurring to him. I have to admit that I think scum would have run out of energy a while ago. I still can't emphasise how wrong I think you are about more or less anything, Saki, but I can understand the points you're making.

Things I think are still specifically worth me responding to from that post:

Also you cannot discount the fact that people's reads and behavior will change over nearly 30-40 page gap between Rikablu and us now, and I do not see the point in your reads not changing.

Reads always change; I have no problem with that. I wasn't picking things out about consistency of reads or anything like that, just how I hypothesised that Rikablu/Titus would react to things involving players who may or may not be their scumbuddy. Instant reaction at that time is crucial - their actual read is not as important as how they behave around other players and those snap reactions are always more telling, I find, than long-term "reads" adopted by scum over time, because scum are less in control of instant reactions.

Badce's hesitance to vote Titus is town?
JKMatthew's hardlurking through D2 is town?

These are some things that really stood out to me and yet you failing to notice them while making a case about 'hey everyone is town except you...sooooooo' makes me wonder if your case is valid.

I can't tell whether you're saying that these are things that I should or should not be thinking. I think JKM's lurking through Day 2 was understandable from either alignment, probably - it wasn't why I voted for him. Bacde's probably the person I most pressingly need to reread given that I didn't have a direct single-post connection that made me think not-buddy on him, just falling back on an earlier townread, so I'll get back to you on his Titus position when I've done that.

Also, really, will a townflip provide

that

much less information than a scumflip? From my experience on-site a townflip is still very valuable and I doubt you are a player not skilled enough to deduce scum based on townflips.

Townflips do provide information - that's why we risk mislynches instead of no lynching - but when you only have townflips you're still having to scour the entire thread for the scum influence. When you have a scumflip, you know where the scum influence has been and you can trace its connections more easily in a more focused search. For a player like me who was in need of something to really grab me about this game as an entry point to really get invested, a scumflip is a much easier way to get my teeth into it.

[ChannelDelibird]

Goodness, apologies for the length of that. Generally speaking I hate posting walls of text and I often refuse to read other people's on point of principle.

[Saki]

Goodness, apologies for the length of that.

It's my first time playing with someone with manners on this site.
*laughs*

[Nachomamma8]

What is giving you a strong scum read on KBW? What do you think about CDB's play from day 2?

on the brit aka on CDB
but unfortunately that was a joke, CDB is town.

[Saki]

now we just sit here and twiddle our thumbs waiting for kbw?

[ChannelDelibird]

He's on V/LA 'til tomorrow so, basically, yeah

[Saki]

fine by me
*shrug*

[Karnage]

What is giving you a strong scum read on KBW? What do you think about CDB's play from day 2?

on the brit aka on CDB
but unfortunately that was a joke, CDB is town.

I read the period after brit as a comma and thought KBW was who you were calling scum. I didn't see the joke.

What makes you so sure CDB is town?

And where is DP?

[Saki]

I believe DP is on V/LA 'cause of tests or something.

[DoctorPepper]

Lets wait for Keyblade to claim

[Saki]

Lets wait for Keyblade to claim

Welcome back?

[DoctorPepper]

Lol, i dunno what to think but I want to see what KBW is. I'll reread later

[Keybladewielder]

VT broskis