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I totally agree that it was a scummy for him to not give any reason at all. The problem with what you said is that you didn't say that you were giving an example reason. So it seemed like you were reaching by saying he was scummy for not having that particular line of thought.Sho Minamimoto wrote:I did no such thing. I gave an example reason. I found it scummy that Flava voted off a person without any explanation for doing so. I gave one possible reason (that she cracked under pressure. Whether or not this is true or false is irrelevant. It is obviously false though). But he gave no reason, which is scummy.
I guess the point I'm trying to make here, is why would you ask that when you can check the thread? It wouldn't have taken too long to go back and see if he had answered the question or not. Really the only reason I think that you did that was because you wanted an excuse to vote for him, and that anything that could hurt your case you would ignore. This is probably a null tell though, admittedly.Sho Minamimoto wrote:Your second statement contradicts your first. Your third statement fails because what scum strategy is there in saying "I missed X, I'm going to vote you until my question is answered. If I happened to miss it, point it out to me." There is no strategy behind that, it is asking for clarification. And what challenge? Who would challenge me for asking for direction with mild pressure? Francis was no where near being lynched, so this is just entire statement is as strong as root-1.
How am I fabricating evidence? I'm taking the things you said and trying to read into them to see what your motives were. I see a bit of questionable stuff here so I went after it.Sho Minamimoto wrote:There's no caution. A lack of certainty in Francis=scum idea for not answering my question, but I am very certain at the moment that you're fabricating evidence/reaching.
Also, your vote on me is interesting, and possibly a good excuse to jump on my wagon.
For now I'd like Juls to speak more. Right now I'm debating between Juls/Sho/Raivann, and Sho has had a pretty good defense. So looking forward to your post on Monday, Juls. If you can, can you give opinions on everyone?
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I agree.Juls wrote:And this is why I see Francis as pro-town. I am sorry I haven't been around. I had family in town and just bought a new vehicle that I am dealing with the paperwork for and have to do some painting/carpetting this weekend in my daughter's room. I promise, promise, promise that I will provide a meaningful post by the end of the weekend.
While in apparent twilight (crosses fingers that arelian is lying scum), I will tell you this about Juls:
She is the only player who, at one point or another, has not raised much suspicion on herself. I don't feel she is playing cautiously because she has made several definitive statements, such as "Francis looks town to me" or "x could looks scummy because of [insert decent reason]." Not to give advice, but Juls is okay. I think arelian (as obvious by my vote) is a much better choice, but if arelian flips town, that leaves two potential choices:
Town is underpowered and we have a:
Raivann+Santos scum.
OR!!
Town has 2 weak power roles and we have:
Juls+Francis scum.
So, I think among the three of you (considering your play/answering my questions) and Juls' play, arelian is the best choice. Between you and Juls...well, I think that if anything, Juls looks slightly more like buddying, so Juls *could* be scum, but I'm not a hundred percent on that.
Raiv could also be scum claiming his confirmed townie is, well, town. However, I doubt the setup left town that under powered.
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I don't think hammering was a good idea. I still think arelian is probably town.
And I had a bunch of questions I'd asked in my last post. This reflects badly on Raivann.
I should have mentioned it in my last post, but I think no lynching today may have been better play. That and massclaim.
Massclaim tomorrow, if the game hasn't ended, I think.
Sho, I'd still like to know why you thought my non-random vote was a reason to suspect me.
And I had a bunch of questions I'd asked in my last post. This reflects badly on Raivann.
I should have mentioned it in my last post, but I think no lynching today may have been better play. That and massclaim.
Massclaim tomorrow, if the game hasn't ended, I think.
Sho, I'd still like to know why you thought my non-random vote was a reason to suspect me.
Artem watched with interest as arelian scribbled his name on the "Voluntary Search Warrant", stuck what remained of his cigar into the ash tray and grinned: "Atta boy!".
Two hours later the sergeant knocked on the door, politely peeked in and shook his head at the sheriff.
"Right then! You're free to go arelian. I'll see the rest of yall back here tomorrow."
Two hours later the sergeant knocked on the door, politely peeked in and shook his head at the sheriff.
"Right then! You're free to go arelian. I'll see the rest of yall back here tomorrow."
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.Day 2 Final Votecount wrote:
arelian (4): Juls, Flava Flave, Sho Minamimoto, arelian
Sho Minamimoto(1): arelian
Not voting (2): Santos, Francis
It is now night 2. All night choices are due to me by Wednesday, August 5th, 5pm EST. Failure to submit a night choice will result in no action.
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Everybody is alive and present.
It is now Day 3. With 6 alive, it takes 4 to force somebody to sign the warrant.
Deadline is Saturday, August 26th, 5:00pm EST.
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The person I targeted was targeted by someone else and is still alive. Hmm. Need to think.
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So, there is a 66% chance that this person is town by raw numbers.Flava Flave wrote:The person I targeted was targeted by someone else and is still alive. Hmm. Need to think.
Also:
Raiv's choice, though not bad, isn't really convincing. Flava's claim is made more believable, as is Santos=town theory. However, Raiv, you're still not really clear in my book. That hammer was just...
Hm... I can't really say much about the hammer. It was pretty bad since arelian and I were still talking, but considering that Flava did something similar, no...That's kind of a fallacy assumption.
Okay, people I think are town:
Santos
Flavaflave
People I am leaning town on:
Raiv
Probable scum:
Juls
Francis
Okay, so here's my conclusion here:
1. We're in a mislynch and lose situation. This gives us two options:
Nolynch and go for a lylo with more information (possibly...)
OR
Lynch scum today or lose with the mislynch.
At the moment, I feel 97% confident that Francis and Juls contain at least 1 mafia between them.
Based on game balance, I am about 70% convinced Francis and Juls together are mafia. Ergo, I am about 27% convinced Raiv is mafia with Francis/Juls, 2% of Raiv with Santos, and 1% of Raiv with Flava.
Analyzing in isolation Juls and Francis:
Post 1 (iso) states that the one who drops the hammer isn't the scummiest but dumbest. Hints that Flava is scum. (Perhaps already known knowledge from her list?)
Post 2: Agrees with me on not liking Francis, but the questions asked were easy, and the statement preceding (about personal tastes) kind of supports an answer for the questions.
Post 3: Agrees with arelian on flava despite the fact that, only 2 iso posts before, she thought Flava wasn't the scummiest. Hm... I can see a stream of change though, so I can still see some town and scum play here. Looks generally neutral so far.
Post 4: maintains vote on Flava... hmm....I don't care for this post...
Post 5: Process of elimination vote post. Not good, not bad...just...okay.
Post 6: Seems like a legitimate concern...
Post 7: I laughed.
Post 8: ...you know, reading this makes me rethink my percents...
Post 9: Nothing to note.
Post 10: I see no fault in her reasoning her, except...hm... I think that her conclusion should have been that a real watcher is too strong. While, yes, Flava could be lying scum at that point, I still think that pursuing it is second rate.
Post 11: Explains a bit of her suspicions.
Post 12: Eh...I feel harping...
Post 13: Goes with the flow of the town, but Juls looks to be protecting Francis (broad statement that "Francis seems town to me." without much support. Drops interest in flavor, which is more null.
Post 14: Post-hoc reason on Francis, but could have been a result of signaling? I guess I'll find out when I do my Francis iso read. (Will do it tomorrow.)
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I agree with Sho that we are likely in a mislynch and lose situation but I am not convinced of Raiv's role. To me the only people I feel pretty strongly that they are town is Flava and Francis. These are my takes on the remaining people:
Flava - He is most confirmed to me. His claim came before Raivan's so belief or disbelief of Raivan all lead back to Flava being town. If Raivan is fake claiming scum then he was feeding off a townie claim. If Raivan is a weak doctor then the flavor matches and Flava is likely town.
Sho Minamimoto - His percentages make my head spin. I think English isn't his first language so sometimes I get confused by what he is saying. I have a neutral read on him but being this late in the game that scares me.
Santos - none existent, skirting by on the "confirmation" given by Raivan. If it were not for this I would feel pretty strongly that he is scum.
Francis - Have felt pretty good about his play. I don't see him being scum. If he is, he has done a good job of fooling me.
Raivann - I don't like the hammer yesterday. I did not understand the rush. We still had a lot to discuss before going into night, most notable of which was who he would target that night or if he was going to reveal. If we are to believe his claim, and he died in the night, we would know nothing. You aren't a cop and a doctor unless your death reveals a guilty. I am just having trouble with putting his play together with his claim.
Raivann, can you explain the hammer and why you would not reveal your night choice before night?
Flava - He is most confirmed to me. His claim came before Raivan's so belief or disbelief of Raivan all lead back to Flava being town. If Raivan is fake claiming scum then he was feeding off a townie claim. If Raivan is a weak doctor then the flavor matches and Flava is likely town.
Sho Minamimoto - His percentages make my head spin. I think English isn't his first language so sometimes I get confused by what he is saying. I have a neutral read on him but being this late in the game that scares me.
Santos - none existent, skirting by on the "confirmation" given by Raivan. If it were not for this I would feel pretty strongly that he is scum.
Francis - Have felt pretty good about his play. I don't see him being scum. If he is, he has done a good job of fooling me.
Raivann - I don't like the hammer yesterday. I did not understand the rush. We still had a lot to discuss before going into night, most notable of which was who he would target that night or if he was going to reveal. If we are to believe his claim, and he died in the night, we would know nothing. You aren't a cop and a doctor unless your death reveals a guilty. I am just having trouble with putting his play together with his claim.
Raivann, can you explain the hammer and why you would not reveal your night choice before night?
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I was so sure arelian was scum, I feel bad for hammering now. Arelian kept me on his lynch list so I thought he was scum. But it's ok, we got this.Juls wrote: Raivann, can you explain the hammer and why you would not reveal your night choice before night?
Would you have liked me to reveal my night choice?
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Here's my problems with your claim Raivann. First, you claimed after Flava. The second claim is always just a little more doubtful to me if it uses the same flavor. Second, you kept your vote on and called Flava scummy AFTER he had made a claim with what you are saying now is the same flavor. Third, you say it's a "weak" doctor but the only weakness in it is that you die if you target scum. But it is made much stronger because you can use it to confirm townies and serve as a cop on scum. Why in the world would scum have kept you alive last night knowing how powerful your role is?
The more I think about it the more I don't believe it. And to answer your question...if we pretend for a second that you are telling the truth then of course you should claim your night target because otherwise it's useless. If you don't live through the night, we don't confirm anyone as town or scum. Being that we are likely in lylo I have a real hard time taking your word on this!
The more I think about it the more I don't believe it. And to answer your question...if we pretend for a second that you are telling the truth then of course you should claim your night target because otherwise it's useless. If you don't live through the night, we don't confirm anyone as town or scum. Being that we are likely in lylo I have a real hard time taking your word on this!
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Sho, I'm actually thinking this person is scum who was targeted by the other scum looking for their buddy.
Juls, if Raiv claimed his target, and scum killed him, we couldn't know if that player was scum or if scum killed him to WIFOM the hell out of us.
What does everyone think of a massclaim?
Juls, if Raiv claimed his target, and scum killed him, we couldn't know if that player was scum or if scum killed him to WIFOM the hell out of us.
What does everyone think of a massclaim?
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I get that but if there was only one death it would give us pause. If there were two deaths then we would know for sure.Flava Flave wrote:Sho, I'm actually thinking this person is scum who was targeted by the other scum looking for their buddy.
Juls, if Raiv claimed his target, and scum killed him, we couldn't know if that player was scum or if scum killed him to WIFOM the hell out of us.
What does everyone think of a massclaim?
I would not be opposed to a mass claim.
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Wow...can you say misrep? That is not what I said at all. If there was one death, that being yours in this scenario, we would not automatically assume that the person you claimed to target was scum. If there were two deaths, it would be safe to assume one of two things...1) scum haven't found each other and they got two successful kills or 2)you targetted scum and died and then scum targetted someone else. Bringing up 3 kills is moronic.Raivann wrote:Are you upset that there wasn't any deaths last night Juls?
So 1 would give us pause, 2 we would know for sure, 3 would have been totally awesome?
Making glaring misrepresentations like the one you just did wins you no town points with me. Hey...crazy idea here, start explaining your behavior instead of avoiding it by throwing out misreps.
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Not a bad idea.Flava Flave wrote:Sho, I'm actually thinking this person is scum who was targeted by the other scum looking for their buddy.
Juls, if Raiv claimed his target, and scum killed him, we couldn't know if that player was scum or if scum killed him to WIFOM the hell out of us.
What does everyone think of a massclaim?
Also, I just saw "massclaim" as I scrolled down and wanted to respond. I am now doing my isolation read of Francis (which is why I was scrolling down, yay!)
So, soon and very soon... (I'll be done.)
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From town, only the latter applies, but with a genuine tone. Since nothing else is said from Francis day 1, I cannot really make a strong guess as to the actual intent of this opening post, which is one reason it bothered me since early Day 2 when I read it. (Or late Night 1, one of those......)
Post 1: Tosses a lob question to Juls. Places her middle of the pact. I, who know I am town aligned, along with arelian, now dead-confirmed, are at the bottom. Juls is mid pack. It is possible that by this point Day 2, he could have had a strong guess at who is his partner. The two he thought to be his partner were likely in the middle. Being last or first is too noticeable and would draw attention, but questioning+middle pack looks like scum hunting (if it weren't so...easy.)
Post 2: An attack which at least mentions three town players. Arelian, dead confirmed, flava (confirmed), and Santos. He mentions myself too, but I am not attacked, I am just a side note to contrast Flava's view of the wagon.
Post 3: Eh...sub par reason for a "serious vote," but it's moot really.
Post 4: Slightly more pressure on Juls. Hm... could be disguised coaching, but his next post...
Post 5:
Post 6: Votes Raiv (eh...) in a post that involves Juls and Flava. I think that the line of allowing Juls more time to "interact with us" is a ploy to give Juls a chance to gain townie brownies. It is entirely possible that Francis knows at this point (now with flava claimed) that Juls is scum.
Post 7: A good, strong attack. No hard, and would be a scum favored one since Santos is mostly confirmed town now.
Post 8: Covers up Juls' play as confusing him, but he seems to have dropped the thought that Juls is scummy or [insert] other thing here. I don't really like this post...
Post 9 and 10: Building a case on Santos.
Post 11: Asking Juls for reasons. Eh... too ambiguous to call her. Could be coaching, could be a legitimate question...
Post 12: Questions Santos play here as opposed to other Town-Santos games.
Post 13: He asks me why I think his non random vote makes him mafia. I came up with an answer while making this iso read, so see top please. Also, I do acknowledge the reasons he gave, but...could be convenience? It's a tough pick, I'll admit, but my reasoning still makes sense.
Post 14: Gives a reason for why I was least likely to be scum, but seems flawed. I think he knew I wasn't scum and just tried to make that theory work.
Reasoning at the bottom is pretty good though. I think that with arelian confirmed town, it may show an attempt to indicate: if arelian isn't scum with Juls, then Juls isn't scum, but this could be too much to assume. Just the feel I get.
Post 15: A question. Nothing to note.
Post 16 and 17: Questions I really wish were answered yesterday, but most of the ones addressed at me should be answered in my posts today. I should be caught up now, and I would suggest Juls/Francis for scum. I am going to look at the goon PM again and the rules. Maybe there's a clue somewhere.
Such certainty bothers me. From a scum point of view: I will pick someone not on my cleared list and just push for their lynch. If scum, I gain full kill ability. If town, I eliminate someone on my lynch. If I am questioned, I can simply claim that a wagon is good for town.Francis wrote:Vote: Zilla
Let's not random vote.
I would like a serious wagon to form on Zilla.
I'd like us to be willing to push it to a lynch.
I'm not joking.
From town, only the latter applies, but with a genuine tone. Since nothing else is said from Francis day 1, I cannot really make a strong guess as to the actual intent of this opening post, which is one reason it bothered me since early Day 2 when I read it. (Or late Night 1, one of those......)
Post 1: Tosses a lob question to Juls. Places her middle of the pact. I, who know I am town aligned, along with arelian, now dead-confirmed, are at the bottom. Juls is mid pack. It is possible that by this point Day 2, he could have had a strong guess at who is his partner. The two he thought to be his partner were likely in the middle. Being last or first is too noticeable and would draw attention, but questioning+middle pack looks like scum hunting (if it weren't so...easy.)
Post 2: An attack which at least mentions three town players. Arelian, dead confirmed, flava (confirmed), and Santos. He mentions myself too, but I am not attacked, I am just a side note to contrast Flava's view of the wagon.
Post 3: Eh...sub par reason for a "serious vote," but it's moot really.
Post 4: Slightly more pressure on Juls. Hm... could be disguised coaching, but his next post...
Post 5:
is a little supportive of genuine suspicion. I would imagine a bus is being set up here by Francis. Juls, who may also realize this, has said many times yesterday that Francis looks pro-town. Could be scum buddying up to a townie or to the person she thinks is her scum partner. It could be the former as likely as the latter, but the only other case is that Juls is scum with Raiv. This isn't impossible, just very, very unlikely.Francis wrote:I'm looking at Santos, Raivann and Juls as scum. arelian is a distant fourth.
Post 6: Votes Raiv (eh...) in a post that involves Juls and Flava. I think that the line of allowing Juls more time to "interact with us" is a ploy to give Juls a chance to gain townie brownies. It is entirely possible that Francis knows at this point (now with flava claimed) that Juls is scum.
Post 7: A good, strong attack. No hard, and would be a scum favored one since Santos is mostly confirmed town now.
Post 8: Covers up Juls' play as confusing him, but he seems to have dropped the thought that Juls is scummy or [insert] other thing here. I don't really like this post...
Post 9 and 10: Building a case on Santos.
Post 11: Asking Juls for reasons. Eh... too ambiguous to call her. Could be coaching, could be a legitimate question...
Post 12: Questions Santos play here as opposed to other Town-Santos games.
Post 13: He asks me why I think his non random vote makes him mafia. I came up with an answer while making this iso read, so see top please. Also, I do acknowledge the reasons he gave, but...could be convenience? It's a tough pick, I'll admit, but my reasoning still makes sense.
Post 14: Gives a reason for why I was least likely to be scum, but seems flawed. I think he knew I wasn't scum and just tried to make that theory work.
Reasoning at the bottom is pretty good though. I think that with arelian confirmed town, it may show an attempt to indicate: if arelian isn't scum with Juls, then Juls isn't scum, but this could be too much to assume. Just the feel I get.
Post 15: A question. Nothing to note.
Post 16 and 17: Questions I really wish were answered yesterday, but most of the ones addressed at me should be answered in my posts today. I should be caught up now, and I would suggest Juls/Francis for scum. I am going to look at the goon PM again and the rules. Maybe there's a clue somewhere.
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Lone goon - Each night you may choose to visit a player's house. If that player is the other goon, you meet, allowing the two of you to night-communicate from then on and all your future night-kills will have 100% chance of success (but you will only be able to submit 1 NK as a team). If the visited player is a townie, then there's a 33% chance that the player will spot you and you will have to kill them. (Your kill still has 33% chance of success if the other goon finds you the same night.)
If your partner is lynched at any point in the game, you will stop your search and begin killing the townies (1 per night) to avenge your partner's death.
Based on your previous work, you know for certain that your partner is not one of {list of 4 randomly chosen townies}.
Hm... when I read this to see the above, the first thing that bothered me is this:
1.
I find this odd because then with only one role claim, the mafia lone goon would probably know their partner very early.
The second thing that bothered me is this:
2. Raivann, you said that you were somewhat like a cop in this game, but a "weakened" doctor. Hm... however, I think that you maybe mistaken in your cop abilities. The real strength here could lie in the following of the mafia lone goon's PM:
"If the visited player is a townie, then there's a 33% chance that the player will spot you and you will have to kill them."
the words "that the player will spot you" may mean that if Player A-mafia checks Player B, and Player B's luck is to spot Player A, Player B knows Player A's identity. However, he dies before being able to say anything. However, if the doctor protected Player B, then that may mean that, as indicated in the above lines, Player B will know that Player A is a mafia member.
I might be reading too much into flavor here, but if I am right, then Raiv is confirmed leaving only 2 (3 from the point of view of everyone else) possible mafia:
Juls
Francis
(Sho, cause no one proved my innocents beyond me.)
Therefore, the lynch is either Francis or Juls pending claims.
I could be reaching with the flavor there but... eh...
Also:
Rules indicate nothing.
Introduction indicates nothing.
And I'm done for the day. Be back on tomorrow as usual.
If your partner is lynched at any point in the game, you will stop your search and begin killing the townies (1 per night) to avenge your partner's death.
Based on your previous work, you know for certain that your partner is not one of {list of 4 randomly chosen townies}.
Hm... when I read this to see the above, the first thing that bothered me is this:
1.
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are the 4 people definitely townies?I find this odd because then with only one role claim, the mafia lone goon would probably know their partner very early.
The second thing that bothered me is this:
2. Raivann, you said that you were somewhat like a cop in this game, but a "weakened" doctor. Hm... however, I think that you maybe mistaken in your cop abilities. The real strength here could lie in the following of the mafia lone goon's PM:
"If the visited player is a townie, then there's a 33% chance that the player will spot you and you will have to kill them."
the words "that the player will spot you" may mean that if Player A-mafia checks Player B, and Player B's luck is to spot Player A, Player B knows Player A's identity. However, he dies before being able to say anything. However, if the doctor protected Player B, then that may mean that, as indicated in the above lines, Player B will know that Player A is a mafia member.
I might be reading too much into flavor here, but if I am right, then Raiv is confirmed leaving only 2 (3 from the point of view of everyone else) possible mafia:
Juls
Francis
(Sho, cause no one proved my innocents beyond me.)
Therefore, the lynch is either Francis or Juls pending claims.
I could be reaching with the flavor there but... eh...
Also:
Rules indicate nothing.
Introduction indicates nothing.
And I'm done for the day. Be back on tomorrow as usual.
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One mafia win and one mafia loss... CRUNCH! I'll add it to the heap!
One mafia win and one mafia loss... CRUNCH! I'll add it to the heap!
[quote="me, post 123]If we don't lynch scum, be aware that 2 or more deaths tonight mean the town loses. Those deaths could be Mafia kills or you dying because you've targeted Mafia. I won't spell it out but given this information, I think your target tonight, in the case that we mislynch, should be obvious.[/quote]Raivann, what did you think I meant when I said this?
I feel uncomfortable about saying much until Flava claims his targets. I'm not sure why he's withholding his results.
I support massclaim today with vigor.
Basically, I want Flava to claim his results and massclaim, in that order, before we discuss anything else today.
My preferred claim order:
Juls
Sho
Santos
Me
Or we could go popcorn style - Pick someone to start, that person picks the next person to claim and so on.
I feel uncomfortable about saying much until Flava claims his targets. I'm not sure why he's withholding his results.
I support massclaim today with vigor.
Basically, I want Flava to claim his results and massclaim, in that order, before we discuss anything else today.
My preferred claim order:
Juls
Sho
Santos
Me
Or we could go popcorn style - Pick someone to start, that person picks the next person to claim and so on.
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Francis, I have my reasons. Let's massclaim first.
Also, I'd prefer if you'd claim before Santos.
Also, I'd prefer if you'd claim before Santos.
Town: 3-5
Scum: 1-2
3rd party: 2-0
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Scum: 1-2
3rd party: 2-0
For the sake of MMM's happiness and my own, my sig has been placed here in a more condensed way. I apologize for the old sig and promise to have changed my ways for the better. <3 MMM