Revolution Mafia (Based on the NBC series) - TOWN WIN

[ToastyToast]

Ugh. I hate when games turn into "process of elimination" bullshit that never works.

I'm being lynched entirely for my role and not for my actual gameplay.

Will you guys at least promise me not to turn a blind eye to the fact that there are so many investigative roles? 100%, at least one scum HAS to be among them.

[Titus]

Toasty, if you flip town, the scum players are ZZZX and Spruce. I'm more confident in Spruce. So vote him as a survival vote as I don't think ZZZX is getting wagoned.

[Titus]

I'll be around to hammer Toasty, I just want more discussion on Spruce.

[ToastyToast]

No. You guys would be stupid to lynch spruce at this point. Again, if you are going to vote for me because of this role bullshit, then you better not lynch the only

original

roles in this game (ie myself, Titus, Spruce).

Seriously if I am wrong about this, then this game is really bastard.

1) ZZZX has been scummy since D1
2) Take away their role claims and PV/PM have done next to nothing to suggest town.
3) I really wouldn't be surprised if Sharpest planned that whole thing with PV. The timing of it was off.
4) Please, town, get your heads out of your asses and get back to how we actually got most of the scum. By, you know,

playing mafia.

[Titus]

PV has gotten shot (which I healed unless scum no killed) and helped get the other faction scum lynched. PM was blocked by redscum, as verified by PV. At this point of the game, there's no incentive for PV to clear PM.

Make a case for ZZZX.

Spruce has been scumming it up since I entered this thread.

[ZZZX]

No. You guys would be stupid to lynch spruce at this point. Again, if you are going to vote for me because of this role bullshit, then you better not lynch the only

original

roles in this game (ie myself, Titus, Spruce).

Seriously if I am wrong about this, then this game is really bastard.

1) ZZZX has been scummy since D1
2) Take away their role claims and PV/PM have done next to nothing to suggest town.
3) I really wouldn't be surprised if Sharpest planned that whole thing with PV. The timing of it was off.
4) Please, town, get your heads out of your asses and get back to how we actually got most of the scum. By, you know,

playing mafia.

Fun fact: All the voting on me is because my role is a little not that townish and not because I played scummy. Titus said so him self

k ty

[Titus]

Actually no. I don't have much of a problem with a JOAT. My issue is how you've played it and positioned your role to essentially "townfirm" yourself and "scumfirm" someone else without verification.

Use the RB tonight.

[Titus]

God so much scum in this map makes VCA rather useless...

[Majiffy]

Spruce (1): Titus
ToastyToast (3): ZZZX, PMysterious, TurkishVan
ZZZX (1): ToastyToast

Not voting: Spruce, TurkishVan, PeregrineV

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Day 4 ends on Saturday, Aug 2 at 10 PM Eastern.

[ToastyToast]

Fun fact: All the voting on me is because my role is a little not that townish and not because I played scummy. Titus said so him self

Oh but I suppose you are voting me because I'm "scummy" and that it has nothing to do with my role.
Also way to miss the point of my post.

[ToastyToast]

Its like a PoE with no clears and a shitty way of analyzing.

For someone who said this a while back you sure are intent to use the exact same strategy on me. I wonder why.

[ToastyToast]

Now I'm really pissesd off because I spent an hour making a case on ZZZX and it got deleted FML.

[ToastyToast]

Back to work I guess...

I know this is long but please take the time to read it because I think it is on point

Point One: The Logic Shifts Out of Self Interest

Fine I will do a quick search.

Getting mad because I said I want you to be tracked? A town will have no reason to be annoyed. We dont know if track can actually clear someone if something like a say NINJA existed?

Do you know how a Ninja works, ZZZX?

I don't think you do.

It doesnt show to trackers.

Does it?

But how do we know if you had/do not have a ninja?

I think you might have slipped a few posts ago.

Anyway You guys do what you want. Your only option of not getting caught if you are scum is getting my policy lynched. And that would be throwing the strongest living PR in game to waste.

also what plans? Suddenly no kill happens. We keep doing so every day and we have all deaths controlled by town.

This plan to clear TSO is foolproof

ROFL. Well despite from the obvious "When I suspect there might be a ninja its fine, but when you respond to me about it, you must have some information about having ninjas and are there for scum" bit, This post sets off a long stream of shifts in PoV for ZZZX in which he sometimes likes Process of Elimination/Role-Breaking Arguments (when they help him survive) and at other times despises them (when they make him target #1):

LOL. Yeah, I'm town because your logic sucks. No.

Two scum are in Toasty, ZZZX and Spruce.

So Spruce will supposedly commute tonight. So Toasty redirects Spruce to himself. If Spruce is a commuter, nothing will happen.

We lynch ZZZX.

If there's a scum kill, we figure out who lied.

I heal PV so he has a track result or I heal PM so he has a watch result. PV should track Toasty. PM should watch me.


Give an example of how the game isn't cracked after those night actions.

If I am lynched (where I will flip town.) Remind me how shitty your logic was so I can never listen to you 100% chance in any other game I will play in the future.

If I say it is a plan and I am wrong it is differant from your 100% chance. Actually this day I am using my vig. Who I use it on will be a surprise

This hatred for Titus' plans continues for a while, and he continues to go after

Titus

for it, until Titus himself is under suspicion. Then he conveniently decides that

I

am the one who should be lynched despite the fact that he was in the exact same boat as me under Titus' plan:

PV, if there's a kill in my setup, it must be Mala or ZZZX. If Spruce tries to kill, Toasty makes him kill himself. You track Toasty to verify redirect. PM watches me. I heal you.

If Mala is scum, she has to kill PM. If we have two killers, they run into the same trap.

Also a 4 scum faction is impossible as that would make it impossible for one scum faction to be balanced

Spruce commutes
Toasty redirects Spruce to Spruce
PMyst tracks Toasty
I watch PMyst
You doc me.
ZZZX BPs

If spruce is scum, he kills himself or skips killing.
If Turkish is scum, she kills (you or Toasty).

Who is the lynch for today?

This looks good for me.


p-edit: I don't see any hints to a third from either team's post (their reactions with each others is unique to each others only).

Weather that is true? Idk.

Oh, look! He likes these plans now! He gets to stay alive and is the

one person

who can get around the Night Actions. He has the opportunity to kill Turkish Van. Additionally, the fact that this plan has such HUGE holes in it makes me more suspicious about PV as well. He is essentially clearing ZZZX for no good reason and trusting him to not go anywhere.

You don't trust me yet TSO did even when I tunneled him like fucking hell.

Its sad.

TSO trusted you? He thought you should be lynched.

misrep

I still don't trust you are town. If I knew for 100% I would get lynched as a PoE and not care about it.

More switching between despising/agreeing with PoE. Note that the only difference between Titus' plan and PV's plan is really that ZZZX isn't suspected.
You guys know from there that he does his long wall about why I have to be lynched because apparently my role makes the least sense in a game with a plethora of investigations and because scum team would "totally" have a roleblocker and a redirector working together.

Well inb4 marc is last scum and game is already over LOL

Side Note: This after going HARD against TSO. I think ZZZX knew the game wouldn't be over here. His reaction to TSO replacing out was also pretty gross.

Too many... info role

Vote: PV

Side Note #2: ZZZX abandoned this as soon as all the non-investigative roles were against him and all the investigative roles were on his side. More examples of him choosing the options that give him the best chance at

personal survival

. The only thing consistent about ZZZX is his inconsistency.

Point 2: Let's Talk About Roles!

ZZZX, give me the short version...what abilities have you used? Results?

Also ever since Gundam Seed, neutrals tend to be lynched on site.

COP TURKISH = INNO

BP/RB/VIG unused.

I will VIG today so I want PV to be on me as a protection if possible.

-ZZZX

Of ALL

the people he decides to cop check, he chooses Turkish? The person who least needed to be cop checked to have people town read them?Sounds like something scum would think about: claim cop on someone who they wouldn't be able to get lynched anyway. Town would be going after their main suspects, would they not? Turkish seriously makes the lease sense as a cop investigation result. This stands regardless of when he used it, as it comes out of nowhere. Why wouldn't he check Spruce, for example?

Vig part is bolded because ZZZX talks about what other roles should do/what he will do to them if they don't listen a lot:

PV please track TSO. If that doesnt happen I will vig one of you randomly at the next night (not this one)

If I say it is a plan and I am wrong it is differant from your 100% chance. Actually this day I am using my vig. Who I use it on will be a surprise

Guys If I survive I am fucking vigging this. I dont care if he is doctor or whatever but using my vig on the doctor is valid if its going to win the game.

But yeah. Threatening players that if they don't do what you say, you'll "vig" them is not town. He also keeps changing what "power" of his he wants to use. So is your plan still to kill Titus even though earlier you said that having so many investigative roles was suspicious? Instead you'd like to lynch me and kill the doctor. Okay......

ZZZX loves to talk about how

important

and

townie

he is for his role despite hating at people for wanting him gone for his role and using his powers in the most worthless way possible:

Well I am not using my vig unless I think its worth it. I find myself in a high chance of being killed today since I am the strongest role atm and killing me will stop +3 people from being cleared/dealt with

I gave my warning., If I die today then the scum has strongman, Also If the stuff doesnt go as I said I will give justice myself.

-ZZZX

also I am the single most powerful town role alive and you want to lynch me cus PoE is fun. YEA RIGHT

If I am lynched (where I will flip town.) Remind me how shitty your logic was so I can never listen to you 100% chance in any other game I will play in the future.

ZZZX thinks he's just so townie and important but he hasn't don't shit for us. He is trying to sound like he is "a townie speaking with his last dying wish, he must be listened to!!!" even though there is zero chance he would be night killed. In general I find players who must say they are town over and over again instead of proving it with their actions to be scummy.

Point 3: Poor Defending/Suspicions History

This one focuses on 3 posts, both of which are stupid if you reflect on his performance in the overall game.

Roleblock: If used then I old the target I can confirm one player as town if someone is killed at the night.
Kill: I can possibly confirm a commuter etc or use it as a 2nd lynch
BP: I can basically be used as a confirmed town and use this to protect me just before lylo for great results.

1) or you can roleblock one of PV/PM and kill whoever the hell you want. And roleblock abilities do not come even close to confirming someone.
2) or you can use PV's plan and kill around it. And kills do not come even close to confirming someone.
3) or you can realize that BP with all these cross kills makes more sense for scum than it does for a town with this much power.

Lets try using your logic:

Reasons I am conf town with ur logic:
1- I pushed and lynched scum of both teams (with one of them flipped PR)
2- I softed my cop and showed result that if I was a scum player I would hide since it is of 0 use to me and actually makes me worse as scum.

See what I did there?

HAHAHAHAHHAH

Leaning Town:

1. Sharpest-knife-on-tree

12. Lord Mhork

13. Josh_B

7. PeregrineV
1. Sharpest-knife-on-tree

Whenever one of these scumspects got pressured (most notably, SKOT, who really none of us had any other choice but to vote), you changed your mind and thought they were scum. Because it was favorable for you to go with the majority.

Also, red scum has never gotten lynched in this game.

But Lynch all liars, am I right?

My claim is really valid 100% in 3 area's

-Flavor wise even if I know nothing about the theme (as I said before joining the game)
-Ability wise as the abilities are clearly pro town
-My playstyle was y town playstyle and titus and PV should know better

yet you guys want to lynch me?
FFS Lol I can prove my allignment by roleblocking a tracker since scum shouldnt have 2 roleblockers should they?

Is that fine?

ZZZX couldn't have made a nicer closing post for reasons he should be lynched.

1) Is there anything that says scum couldn't have fake claims? No. Is there anything that says scum couldn't have fake role claims? No. So shut up about flavor.
2) As explained, Ability wise your abilities are all anti-town/easy to lie about.

For the cop, you chose to check the most obvtown person in the game instead of your scum suspects.
For the vig, you have used it to threaten people, and now you can use it to kill without suspicion.
For the roleblock, its a roleblock. I don't think that needs more explanation.

3) I think I have shown quite well why your playstyle has not been protown in any sense. You have been contradictory and self-serving. You have threatened people, you have switched to whatever vote is most convenient at the time, and you have called yourself the most "powerful/important/obvtown" player here rather than spend any time trying to prove it.

Now if that isn't enough to convince you all, then so be it. But I think its clear that he's the correct lynch today.

[Majiffy]

Extending deadline to 1 PM tomorrow because I have work and I'm not staying up till 10.

[spruce]

VOTE: ZZZX

Thanks for the extension, Jiffy - the site had some kind of error message for me most of the day.

[spruce]

Day 4

Turkish Van (Rachel Matheson, Town back-up Doc claim)
ZZZX (Aaron Pittman, JOAT claim, N1 Cop TV, N2&3 idle – Vig/BP/RB) (

2

) Toasty, spruce
PeregrineV (Miles Matheson, Town Watcher claim, N1 Sala, N2 Titus, N3 PM)
Wake88/spruce (Justine Allenford, Town x-shot Commuter) (

1

) Titus
ToastyToast (Wayne Ramsey, VT claim/changed to 2-shot Redirector claim, N2 neil to bulba) (

3

) ZZZX, PM, Turk
T S O/Titus (Bill O'Halloran, VT claim/ changed to Doc claim, N3 PV) (

0

)

ZZZX, spruce

,

spruce

PMysterious (Charlie Matheson, Town Tracker claim, N1 spruce, N2 Pere, N3 LM)

Dead:

D1 Lynch: Paschendale,The Nano, Investigation-Immune/Unkillable SK
N1: Antihero, Danny Matheson, Town 2-shot Rolecop
N1: Salamence20, Nora Clayton, Town 2-shot Lie Detector
D2 Lynch: Sharpest-knife-on-tree, Sebastian Monroe, Monroe Scum Strongman/Roleblocker
N2: Bulbazak, Dr. Calvin Horn, Patriot Goon
N2: Josh_B/Neil, Connor Bennett/Monroe, Monroe Goon
D3 Lynch: Marcrell. Grace Beaumont, Self-aligned 2-shot Bulletproof Survivor
N3: Lord Mhork, President Jack Davis, Patriots Scum Strongman/Roleblocker

Not voting: PeregrineV
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

[ZZZX]

Lovely! You take my read list from like page 10 and compare it to what I think in page 30? Magnificent.

I read the post toasty did and it sucks sh*t

I cant reply now because I need to go to sleep its 3:30 after midnight. Way to late imo.

p.s I have been going for titus TSO since like 2 days ago but I felt I believe his role after reading the setup. My play is ALWAYS to townize myself for one reason:

If I was town then I am helping lynch scum and avoid mislynched and if I am scum it helps me get in the town and cause mislynches

aka townizing my self is not allignment inducative.

Also

if you are not an idiot you can check the whole post?


OBV Town:
4. Turkish Van (Malakittens + Penguin_Alien) : I am not usually sure of reading Malakittens but after reading him, Meta'ing, Analyzing. If this guy was scum I am better of jumping off a cliff
6. ZZZX

Town:


Leaning Town:
1. Sharpest-knife-on-tree
12. Lord Mhork
13. Josh_B
7. PeregrineV
1. Sharpest-knife-on-tree

Null:
15. PMysterious: I have no freaking idea.
8. spruce: Not enough posts to read.

Leaning Scum:
10. T S O: Another gut.

Scum:
5. Bulbazak: His read style reminds me of my scum play.. ALOT. Also this doesnt feel like town bulba
3. Marcrell: Gut

let me see hmmm...

my scum reads are correct 100%
everyone else is in null and leaning townie.

Yea I am certainly not going to change my mind because the game has 2 scum right?

After I proved how low you thinking ability is I will go to sleep.

[ZZZX]

VOTE: ZZZX

Thanks for the extension, Jiffy - the site had some kind of error message for me most of the day.

le chainsaw is epic.

[ZZZX]

ZZZX couldn't have made a nicer closing post for reasons he should be lynched.

1) Is there anything that says scum couldn't have fake claims? No. Is there anything that says scum couldn't have fake role claims? No. So shut up about flavor.
2) As explained, Ability wise your abilities are all anti-town/easy to lie about.

For the cop, you chose to check the most obvtown person in the game instead of your scum suspects.
For the vig, you have used it to threaten people, and now you can use it to kill without suspicion.
For the roleblock, its a roleblock. I don't think that needs more explanation.

3) I think I have shown quite well why your playstyle has not been protown in any sense. You have been contradictory and self-serving. You have threatened people, you have switched to whatever vote is most convenient at the time, and you have called yourself the most "powerful/important/obvtown" player here rather than spend any time trying to prove it.

Now if that isn't enough to convince you all, then so be it. But I think its clear that he's the correct lynch today.

idk about flavor or how majiffy handles fake claims and stuff. As I said I dont know if majiffy gives or doesnt give those fake claims. For some reason you seem to know. Can you enlighten me scum?

also as a cop I checked the null player in my list (which surprise was null for everyone at that time)

My playstyle is not protown when i was catching all scum. Actually I have as good a chance as PV to be a colored scum. The only chance for me is to be an Indie but an Indie Joat in this setup is amazingly underpowered dont you think? I dont really know about balancing setup thou and why an INDIE JOAT will have a FUCKING COP? I never knew an indie needed that. and since an indie doesnt know who town and mafia are he cant fake it right? oh well.

And yea what I am doing is called obv towning myself so I can lead the town to victory. Its how i play. If you dont like it then basically don't. Titus has mislynched me way too many times by now anyway (Titus never lynched me right so far I think )

[ZZZX]

(talking about finished games ofc)

[ZZZX]

Gosh its 3:45 now. THanks for making me not sleep >.<

I willbe kinda busy 2moro but I dont think I will miss anytihng really.

[ZZZX]

you have called yourself the most "powerful/important/obvtown" player here rather than spend any time trying to prove it.

My reads were 100% accurate this game scum wise.
if you and spruce were scum then my reads will be 100% accurate

[PeregrineV]

@Toasty

- I disagree that Turkish was super-town. I could easily see her as a cop-target, because her input was very minimal.

My plan as presented apparently prevents you from directing player A actions to player A, so that plan won't work.

ZZZX as scum in the just finished Harry Potter game is markedly different than here. If I do lynch him, it would be more related to his role claim than his night actions or his in-thread play.

[Titus]

Toasty, are you implying that ZZX is lying about his role or are you stating that his role is a scumrole?

[ZZZX]

@Toasty

- I disagree that Turkish was super-town. I could easily see her as a cop-target, because her input was very minimal.

My plan as presented apparently prevents you from directing player A actions to player A, so that plan won't work.

ZZZX as scum in the just finished Harry Potter game is markedly different than here. If I do lynch him, it would be more related to his role claim than his night actions or his in-thread play.

You are talking about the wrong game...

I didn't play hb mafia