Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:21 am
@Rhinox: what did you think of kortul's play yesterday? Right now, that's what's holding me back from voting for him - I think it looks like town.
↑ kortul wrote:I have my internet back, working on finishing the research on Alice/Magua, will think over gathered data and post together with conclusions tomorrow. I begin to think that forum games are not for me - i hate replacements! I find Alice play scummy, and Magua play mostly town with some odd posts. I could easily see DCL-Alice team, but don't see DCL-Magua team. Logic is smoking in the corner...
@Fishy, i wonder, did you have a feeling yesterday that Magua had some kind of investigation on you?
↑ Voidedmafia wrote:Isn't it 3 masons vs. will flipper+1-shot VCop or 3 masons+will flipper vs. 1-shot VCop?
Again it was inconsistent, since she already said that she thinks that Macro is town.
Before she replaced everyone was actually town or null to her, which together with pacifying defence allowed her to be out of focus of attention, yet join whatever wagon she felt like joining.↑ Alicewondering wrote:Your points are certainly valid, but you've reached the wrong conclusion.↑ Lastsurvivor wrote:@Alice: Weren't you telling me I was wrong when I posted my case though? So now the points are valid?
[quote="In post 823, "Alicewondering"]Kortul, I don't really have great reads right now. I have mostly town reads and null or null-scum reads. SA is scumread. Fishy is a null read as well.↑ Alicewondering wrote:Deadline's a week away. I'm not that concerned. A lot can change in a week, and we have Malee's replacement just in.↑ Sleepless Assassin wrote:Last, it didn't change my mind.
Also not liking how every single wagon is dissolving more and more as we get closer to deadline. We NEED to actually lynch someone.
As for connections with DCL, Alice kept asking players (LS, SA, Fishy) why DCL is scum for them. I found no strong or suspicious connections with Fishy. So i can see only DCL-Alice team.↑ Alicewondering wrote:If funky is scum, his vote means nothing as well to my alignment. I'm an easy lynch target now that a wagon has grown on me.↑ Fishythefish wrote:Not all that much. It's not particularly unlikely that scumfunky would be bussing here - his partner would be in trouble, and I can easily see scum not bothering to make much of a case because they know they're right. And if funky is town, his vote says nothing about Alice's alignment.
In his own mind he includes himself in the pool of suspects.
I just don't see how this question translates into the explanation:
His general activity and some of his posts throught days 2 and 3 indeed look like he has some kind of guilty on Fishy. But Alice never said anything bad about Fishy during day 2, so Fishy-scum won't believe the replacement faking guilty. I think Magua is smart enough to realize it, unless he never took a look at Alice ISO, in that case his explanation looks even more strange - how can you pretend to have a guilty on someone, if you have no idea what your predecessor said about the player?↑ Magua wrote:Also, I figured it would be more likely that I'd be seen as soft-claiming some investigation on him that way, and if I was right (I always think I'm right), more likely that I'd be NK'ed over someone who was actually a PR. (In retrospect, that was never going to happen with the masons, but whatever.)
↑ Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:Well I'm back briefly, but it seems nothing has changed in the meanwhile. SA, kortul, DCL, and rhinox are still fucking around on non-wagons and hiplop's replacement has had nothing to say. Man, I'm glad we didn't lynch SA-scum when he was at L-1; we've gathered so much positive momentum since then.
↑ Voidedmafia wrote:Wait, what makes you think Mag even has an investigation?
↑ Fishythefish wrote:And really, "out of curiousity"? Whether you're town or scum, that's just unnecessarily scummy. Who feigns disinterest in their wagon?
Rhinox wrote:Neither of [DDD,Magua] were in the previous LW games, so if thats the thought process they expected town to have, then I can see DDD's claim being a plausible one for scum to make.
Voidedmafia wrote:Wait, what makes you think Mag even has an investigation?
Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:My role name is that of a Secretary; I have a one-shot ability. I'm leaning towards it being better for me to not claim what my ability actually does though I'm sure some people will "hurr durr" at me until I'm forced to claim it anyways.
Macrophage wrote:I don't want to lynch Debonair and especially don't want to lynch 4n now.
↑ Voidedmafia wrote:Going by the timestamps from 860 to 865, he had about 5 hours to hammer between DCL voting DDD and you unvoting him. It's not a big window, and it's not small either, but I don't remember if he was even there at the time.
Also, Mag, please clean up that last paragraph before your vote. I think I understand what you're saying, but the lack of a closing parenthesis makes it difficult.
↑ Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:
Magua's case is problematic is several ways. First, it's solely based on what scum did which means scum can manipulate it to make things appear one way or another. It also ignores, like Voided points out, real life time sequence. It also ignores that speedhammering an unclaimed town player means he certainly dies the next day and most scum have bigger goals than getting one last mislynch before going down with the ship.
↑ Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:Not really sure how the two are related other than they both vaguely involve hammers; care to explain?
↑ Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:Because no one else as far as I know threatened to hammer.