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In post 1317, Kdub wrote:Anti, you suspected me pretty heavily yesterday, and I believe more people suspected me than SMP, so why not block me instead?

partly, it was because of what i perceived you "claimed" yesterday.

also, the popular opinion swung pretty rapidly in your favor yesterday. i figured that even if you were scum, you would want to keep this new-found good standing and not risk blowing it to a tracker/watcher/roleblocker result.

kdub wrote:It guarantees his investigation result will be confirmed (even if it's a lie). If Anti had turned out to be a tracker or something and confirmed that SMP didn't actually target you, you are not implicated and say SMP just made a lucky guess.

like let us assume i am his scum buddy and he claims a result on me because i won't say it's wrong (even though i probably would because lololbus but whatever)

whether or not i confirm his result doesn't make him any more or less likely to be scum/town than he was beforehand

so essentially to think i'm scum with him would require him (a) knowing he was roleblocked, (b) thinking it was a good idea to claim a result anyway, and (c) thinking claiming a result on a scum buddy would somehow clear him or help me

i mean, not only that but it would severely limit my fake-claiming options (which is something i would bus the fuck out of him for purely out of spite if he did that to me) AND it assumes i replaced in that night phase and didn't talk him through all the possible options in case he'd have to claim today (which is something i would definitely do, because that is how i play scum)

sooooooooo yeah

sangres wrote:If we hadn't had a strong town read on PhDScar we would have investigated you last night because lolparanoia.

was the cop claim serious? i assumed joke

i'd prob lynch SMP purely because i doubt town has two investigative PRs if your claim is actually serious

why not kdub? you wanted him lynched and then you changed your read but neither was solid

bro was obv town imo

or for god sakes investigate HK or me or even aegor or AJ

so many better people than bro

In post 1326, zMuffinMan wrote:was the cop claim serious? i assumed joke

I had planned to just crumb it, hence my first post. Nacho wanted to make it explicit.

In post 1327, Jake from State Farm wrote:why not kdub? you wanted him lynched and then you changed your read but neither was solid

bro was obv town imo

or for god sakes investigate HK or me or even aegor or AJ

so many better people than bro

You are always welcome to stop signing up for games I've /inned.

In post 1324, sangres wrote:

In post 1322, Jake from State Farm wrote:you still didn't explain why you wasted your investigation on bro

that literally makes no sense

Because BRO can play a very subtle and hard to spot scum game, and he hadn't done anything awesomely town on day 1. And if he's town his analysis should be more valuable than what at least half the player list will put into the thread.

Of all the players in the game we felt like he and muffin are the trickiest to read. Muffin did us the favor of replacing into a slot we already thought was town.

Bro's alignment is our gift to future game days.

guess I'm just going to have to burn you more, then!

then SMP lynch ahoy

(even though i still don't think he's lying about role information)

In post 1329, sangres wrote:You are always welcome to stop signing up for games I've /inned.

so I question your investigation choice and you tell me i should not play with you anymore? seriously wtf

thanks for proving you can't keep our previous history out of this game, which is actually a site rule (don't bring in outside grudges)

I didn't let our history affect me but obviously you couldn't do the same.

Regardless of why ffery chose her target, it's pretty risky and incredibly bold scum-play for anyone, especially her since she's the one carrying this game. So why are you so wound up on ffery/cho's cop choice?

also

calling it now

BRO is godfather

and while i'm at it

you're all scum. you're all town.

now i can point back to this post in endgame and show i was right about everyone.

because the real cop wouldn't out an inno day 2. I mean we tell newbies not to do that so why would an experience player do it?

What happened to your very long shower anyway, jake?

Pedit: either way, She paints a pretty large red target on her back when scum-ffery can't handle pressure at all

In post 1326, zMuffinMan wrote:

kdub wrote:It guarantees his investigation result will be confirmed (even if it's a lie). If Anti had turned out to be a tracker or something and confirmed that SMP didn't actually target you, you are not implicated and say SMP just made a lucky guess.

like let us assume i am his scum buddy and he claims a result on me because i won't say it's wrong (even though i probably would because lololbus but whatever)

whether or not i confirm his result doesn't make him any more or less likely to be scum/town than he was beforehand

so essentially to think i'm scum with him would require him (a) knowing he was roleblocked, (b) thinking it was a good idea to claim a result anyway, and (c) thinking claiming a result on a scum buddy would somehow clear him or help me

i mean, not only that but it would severely limit my fake-claiming options (which is something i would bus the fuck out of him for purely out of spite if he did that to me) AND it assumes i replaced in that night phase and didn't talk him through all the possible options in case he'd have to claim today (which is something i would definitely do, because that is how i play scum)

sooooooooo yeah

sangres wrote:If we hadn't had a strong town read on PhDScar we would have investigated you last night because lolparanoia.

was the cop claim serious? i assumed joke

i'd prob lynch SMP purely because i doubt town has two investigative PRs if your claim is actually serious

three, technically. Jake can learn who has actions if all PR's target him, but why not considering the pretty heavy limitation he has?

the shower went out the window with the amount of fail in this game from so many people, myself included

cream wrote:why not considering the pretty heavy limitation he has?

what about it?

In post 1325, Antihero wrote:

In post 1317, Kdub wrote:Anti, you suspected me pretty heavily yesterday, and I believe more people suspected me than SMP, so why not block me instead?

partly, it was because of what i perceived you "claimed" yesterday.

also, the popular opinion swung pretty rapidly in your favor yesterday. i figured that even if you were scum, you would want to keep this new-found good standing and not risk blowing it to a tracker/watcher/roleblocker result.

OK, fair enough.

In post 1326, zMuffinMan wrote:like let us assume i am his scum buddy and he claims a result on me because i won't say it's wrong (even though i probably would because lololbus but whatever)

whether or not i confirm his result doesn't make him any more or less likely to be scum/town than he was beforehand

so essentially to think i'm scum with him would require him (a) knowing he was roleblocked, (b) thinking it was a good idea to claim a result anyway, and (c) thinking claiming a result on a scum buddy would somehow clear him or help me

i mean, not only that but it would severely limit my fake-claiming options (which is something i would bus the fuck out of him for purely out of spite if he did that to me) AND it assumes i replaced in that night phase and didn't talk him through all the possible options in case he'd have to claim today (which is something i would definitely do, because that is how i play scum)

sooooooooo yeah

I think having his result confirmed gives him some town credit, but I see your argument here.

In post 1336, Jake from State Farm wrote:because the real cop wouldn't out an inno day 2. I mean we tell newbies not to do that so why would an experience player do it?

What's the scum motivation for clearing BRO the way they did?

Tbh I don't really think there is one but I don't get why they would clear bro when he wasn't even under suspicion.

So really it makes no sense from either alignment.

I don't think it was optimal town play, but it definitely is a pro-town move.

In post 1317, Kdub wrote: SMP, can you claim your flavor name and confirm that your role is specifically called "odd-night role cop and reporter"? And to confirm exactly how your role works, if you were to investigate a PR (of either alignment), you would get their actual role (e.g. "cop", "doctor", "roleblocker", etc.), but if you investigate a VT/goon, you get "vanilla"?

I"ll Nall. My exact role is Odd-Night Rolecop and Reporter. Yes, you're correct. A PR would return the role name while a VT/goon would only return that they're Vanilla.

I'm not entirely sure what happened last night. All I know is that I got a vanilla result on Muffinman.

I agree, my play yesterday was sub optimal and didn't help town. I tried something different with a PR and it failed miserably.

I am so fucking confused by this game right now.

SMP has no reason to lie, as either alignment, about Muffin's role unless he got super lucky about a guess, or of course they're both partners.

Anti has no reason, as either alignment, to counterclaim what SMP says unless he's scum wanting a really weak town PR lynched/towncred for killing a buddy. The former doesn't make any sense given the cop claim, and the latter doesn't really fit in with how Anti approached it either I don't think.

Neither option makes any sense, but I'm leaning towards SMP purely because I think he's the only viable lynch today. I think the whole "I wanted 2 shots off so I lurked" reasoning was bullshit too. Aaand furthermore, his accusation that Anti is lying and not being followed up by voting him doesn't make sense to me either. There's something else that made me think the claim was legit but a scum role, but I've forgotten.

Also, Aegor, you're wrong in your argument with Jake. The idea was clearly planted there by Anti.

is mac scum

kdub wrote:I think having his result confirmed gives him some town credit

not really!

it doesn't seem to be working well here!

In post 1346, zMuffinMan wrote:is mac scum

since I think almost everyone is scum and I am the lone townie

yes he is

i'm town. like 100%. wouldn't lie about that. trust me.