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~ RCEnigma(92), Volxen MJL Combo Pack(31), Almost50(75), Cerberus v666(25), Alchemist21(54), Moongrass(65), popsofctown(127), Wisdom(95)

Volxen MJL Combo Pack(3)

~ u r a person 2(48), Iconeum(52), chennisden(34)

Shiro(2)

~ Hydra TBD(27), Liger_Zero(187)

Wisdom(1)

~ Powerpuff Girls(216)

Liger_Zero(1)

~ Shiro(28)

Hydra TBD(1)

~ Flavor Leaf(135)


Not Voting (0):

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2019-04-23 14:37:43)

FLAVOR

This is probably flipping town. Like I feel pretty sure on it.

Chenn you can consider this intent, but I would be trying to push Shiro as the counter if I were you.

liger why is shiro scum beyond his silly scumread on you

calling chennis, the main wagon, "chickadee" shows hes not paying any attention whatsoever so maybe that explains some things

also theyre not likely scum together

In post 1328, Wisdom wrote:calling chennis, the main wagon, "chickadee" shows hes not paying any attention whatsoever so maybe that explains some things

Yes, this is town-indicative.

Intent to hammer.

-Bubbles

In post 1327, Wisdom wrote:liger why is shiro scum beyond his silly scumread on you

If you find something town of Shiro let me know.

In post 1330, Powerpuff Girls wrote:

In post 1328, Wisdom wrote:calling chennis, the main wagon, "chickadee" shows hes not paying any attention whatsoever so maybe that explains some things

Yes, this is town-indicative.

Intent to hammer.

-Bubbles

Why is it town indicative of Shiro but not town indicative of Chenn when he is doing the same thing?

where is chennis provably not paying attention?

First thirty or so pages. I think he has been paying attention as of late, which is why I think he is town actually. Before I couldn't tell.
You could see it in his earlier "reads" that he wasn't with the game.

In post 1320, RCEnigma wrote:A50 you're town right?

@FlavorLeaf, I don't see any point in sorting a slot unless it's a high candidate for lynch I want to support, a high candidate for lynch I want to shoot down, or a new wagon I'm trying to create. I explained as much.

A lot of the justification about how a premature claim fits into town psyche better than scum is true but is mitigated a lot by having a modprovided safeclaim. When a modprovided fakeclaim is available, "oh god I better make sure I don't get hammered before I even use my fakeclaim" is valid in a similar way to "oh god I better make sure I don't get hammered before I even mention I'm the doctor".
Except, it actually leans even further the other way, since shadow's PR doesn't help out the town.
Bulletproof on a scummy slot actually functions identically not having a PR at all. It's like hexproof on an 0/1 creature. I wouldn't expect the person claiming to think that far with it. But I would expect them to hesitate more.
Which I guess he did, now that I remember my slot told him to claim, which is cancerous, I'm big on mechanically correct play, I wish the mod had warned
me.

I'd really prefer if we moved the game to a focus on scummy play and not this mechanical stuff (which is hypocritical in this post I guess but Hypocrisy Is Not A Scumtell). When people have honest differences of opinions on the right way to do night actions and there's possible roles you don't even know about and it just gets messy and doesn't build on itself and get you as far. Like PPG's push on Liger isn't really improving the game it doesn't really make Liger scum that he's an awful cop or whatever.

Please don't hammer before Cerb realizes I voted Chenn before he did. It's imperative he does this today or it will be stamped in his mind that I wasn't on the wagon.

In post 1337, Almost50 wrote:Please don't hammer before Cerb realizes I voted Chenn before he did. It's imperative he does this today or it will be stamped in his mind that I wasn't on the wagon.

O.o?

I'm confused by this. Explain?

I’m going go disagree with the other Puffs. Wisdom is getting townier by the post. I really doubt he’s scum here. Last night, I was telling myself, he and Shiro were likely TvT.

I still don’t know what to make of Chennis though. I didn’t really care for RCE’s A50 shade but don’t know how to read it.

So, re: Volxen, not crazy about a lot of their posts but their arguments seem logical and I tend to read logic as being more likely to come from town than scum but I would feel a lot better about that slot if MJL actually did something but eh.

so, our vote is probably going to be on Chenn, who’s at L-1 now, correct?

So, should we hammer then? We still have a day left but if nothing is likely to change between now and then. I’m okay with it.

@Blossom, please post more poems, preferably with a Barney theme. lmfao





~Buttercup

Let chennisden claim first

Surely you can make deadline

There are three of you

In post 1340, popsofctown wrote:Let chennisden claim first

Surely you can make deadline

There are three of you

I agree with this, however, I do have to ask:

Is there a claim that chennisden could make which would move them from "yeah whatever I won't fight this" to "NO NO NO THEY'RE FUCKING TOWN LEAVE THEM THE FUCK ALONE"?

Don't say what that claim is, of course....I"m just curious if such a claim exists in your universe.

In post 1340, popsofctown wrote:Let chennisden claim first

Surely you can make deadline

There are three of you

I’m good with that.

No one hammer before Chenn can claim. However, we can’t control that if he’s at L-1.

Anyway, one of us will be here at deadline to vote.

~BC

Claimed investigatives should be left alive. They will probably get NK'd, but if they don't, you can sheep their investigations, then come lynch them if the investigation outcomes are wrong.

If you think it's 95% likely a claimed investigative is scum then that "risks" mislynching on their command, but in reality mafia is hard and the most impressive of any nonGlork dayplay is like 40% sure X is scum when only 20% of the playerlist is scum, so it's correct play to leave an investigative alive to do work.

Shade?

I wouldn't call asking if he's town shade. That's a -1 level play but whatever.

I've lost all of my townreads if I'm being honest and don't know if I'm just confused about the gamestate or no one's really towning. Cerb is but I can see his analysis on Chen as either alignment. I'm mostly holding onto the fact Cerb was digging into the same idea I was simultaneously.

I thought buttercup was town early but not because of her usual towntells if that makes sense, the other heads of PPG haven't impressed me. I think FL is scum the longer the day goes.

If I believe the bp claim to be scum Liger is probably town by proxy of shadows wagon moving there directly after.

I don't know Vedith's replace ins name off the top of my head but I has Vedith pretty strong town while I feel the rep in is playing political. No hard stances, trying to "herd" town in the right direction without definitive input. So idk.

Forgot alchemist existed, probably not a good sign.

Tldr;
Cerb
Liger
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Everyone else
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Probably FL

I'm not finding anyone and I don't like it at all.

RCE you still think Chennis is scum right?

Get back in my pocket RCE. Don't make me whip you

What's pocket mean?
This kimono doesn't have any pockets.

Reasons why I’m disagreeing with my Puff sisters on Wisdom:

His initial hesitancy on Chenn reads to me like town who didn’t want to mislynch, as opposed to scum trying to save his buddy and his re-evaluation on both Chenn and Shiro seems to back that up. In DnD game by contrast, it was all, why haven’t we lynched lovebird yet? I mean it’s hard to tell with Wisdom but this seems to me more like UtS and YGM Wisdom than DnD/FH Wisdom here. His reaction to Puffs pushing him also seems townie to me. He’s not being survivalistic here. He was more concerned with FL sr his trs than anyone sr him. Only thing worried me a bit, was post calling me “annoying” but that’s probably NAI. Didn’t love Liger’s “self-delusional” comment which was way worse objectively speaking but his defence of Wisdom read like he hard townread him.

~Buttercup