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In post 1345, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 1343, notscience wrote:Meh gammas town

Interesting that this is what you choose to speak on.
What’s your thoughts on Lilith vs. AGar?

In post 1225, notscience wrote:It could just be a bus? As reck and ut were saying bussing is encouraged in this setup

VP Baltar wrote:Waiting for an AGar case, day 38.

In post 410, AGar wrote:Ok, one, jesus fuck there's 17 pages.

Two, lol@page4 challenge

Three, christ half of this shit is useless nonsense.

In post 236, Noraa wrote:But yeah this play is a huge gambit if he is scum and I'm not sure scum!pooky willingly puts himself on the chopping block just like that.

Why not? It's not actually as big of a gambit as people are making it out to be.

@Pooky

How much playing experience do you have with Noraa and Gamma, specifically?

In post 238, Gamma Emerald wrote:Just take the fucking townread goddamn it!!!!!!

In post 239, Gamma Emerald wrote:You bitch and moan about how I read you wrong and yet when I townread you you attack me. And I find it ridiculous you think I can’t find you obvtown when you yourself boast about your towniness at every turn. You’re not genuinely interacting with me, you’re being contrarian!!!!!!!!

These posts are weird. Gamma's entire reaction to Noraa pushing back on a townread is very weird.

Self-vote in 280. Tech. When the fuck did AtE self-votes become meta? God dammit.

@VPB

what's with the insistence on trying to get Reck/UT to parse each other in particular?

In post 423, AGar wrote:

In post 421, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 397, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 394, Untrod Tripod wrote:Wild notion, but 46% of the posts this game are from noraa and gamma so how about the two of you chill out and let some other people talk instead of suffocating the game?

me gamma noraa baltar take a time out and let the other 8 people talk for a day or two ok?

I'm down for that

Baltar Noraa Gamma?

In post 408, Gamma Emerald wrote:I’ll try to avoid posting but I don’t want to get prodded
But yeah I’ll keep it down. I do kinda wanna have highest post count for the time I’m alive though.

Let’s note MY pair was immediately willing to comply but VP and Noraa weren’t. I think that’s an indication of who REALLY cares about keeping traction in this situation.

I mean this is a garbage concept, and thinking that not threadshitting means not posting at all is a hell of an equivalency.

Like we have to yeet one of you four, thus, it is kind of necessary that you four participate. Just stop threadshitting with petty arguments. Seems simple enough.

In post 426, AGar wrote:

In post 424, notscience wrote:What didn’t you like about gammas reaction agar

The whole insistence that Noraa accept his Day 1 Page, like, 5? townread on her, like if she pushed back it invalidated that he felt she was town or something, and then getting very personal when it was pushed back on and it wasn't centered on the fact that she was scumreading him. It was a lot of words about someone not trusting a townread, which felt very off. At this point I lean a decent bit town on Noraa based on the whole exchange, and Gamma's insistence on the townread to the point of a self-vote feels very fucking weird.

In post 441, AGar wrote:Can we not with the whole "the 4 who are eligible for yeeting are dipping out of the thread" thing? Again, y'all can be present and interact and, y'know, help us figure out who's where without just shitting up the thread.

In post 447, AGar wrote:

In post 442, Gamma Emerald wrote:3/4 of us have a large share of the posts though. Plus it would just be nice to hear everyone else’s thoughts for a change?

Right, hence the "hey don't threadshit but also don't disappear."

In post 443, VP Baltar wrote:Here is a new take from me: I think Reck might be scum here. Tinfoil hat says he knows too much about gamma's alignment.

Oh? Off the drunk note to self or something more?

In post 519, AGar wrote:

In post 479, Untrod Tripod wrote:SirCakez
lilith2013
Starbuck
AGar
xRECKONERx
notscience
The Bulge

^ this list of people

what are your reads on the players on the table right now? how about the 8 of us talk about this. we don't need to talk about anyone who you can't vote for today. that will clutter this up and distract. just the people on the table.

Townlean Noraa. (posts like 147, 232). I don't love the reasoning for townPooky she gives in 236 and still want a follow up on why, but I don't find that scummy.

Scumlean GE. I really really hate his insistence that the 4 up for yeeting shut up because it creates a situation where 8 of us talk to each other about 4 people who are interacting in a limited way and then with PTs and daytalk allows for a lot of lurking and coordination. I still find his whole thing about Noraa pushing back on a townread from him very very awkward and just there's a thing about it that doesn't sit right with me - it's setting off gut pangs.

Null on VPB and Pooky for two different reasons.

VPB's early posting was kinda fluffy but the game was generally trash so it didn't feel like there was anything he was particularly dodging. Lately he's been mostly :goodposting:. I don't love the deal made, but that's just me in general and tbf I'm not a party to that so whatever. If we come to a point where it's suddenly obvious Noraa or VPB is scum and we can't get the other to vote to yeet because of a dumb deal, we'll burn that bridge then.

Pooky's early challenge set off a few gambit bells with me but then his follow up has been... the opposite of what I would call smart scum posting if he was gambitting.

In post 509, VP Baltar wrote:How about this: how many people who are not in the challenge are using their PTs to talk about the game?

Not really right now. I will likely spew some shit in there later because I find the PT useful in spots generally.

In post 515, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:2) Ok then propose a logical reason for why anyone would hide something in the PT that they are not sharing with the rest of us.

The same reason any neighborhood is worthwhile - you can discuss stuff in a limited one on one environment to bounce shit off of someone, a second set of eyes - you don't have to trust them 100% but it can help shit out. You can ask your partner their direct opinion on a topic to get a read on them. You can just work through thoughts. Plenty of people keep notes PTs. It's at worst a notes PT with another voice in there. Besides, if your partner is keeping secrets in the PT you feel should be shared with the town... you can just fucking share that info and put that badge on your partner.

In post 588, AGar wrote:

In post 577, lilith2013 wrote:

In post 519, AGar wrote:Townlean Noraa. (posts like 147, 232). I don't love the reasoning for townPooky she gives in 236 and still want a follow up on why, but I don't find that scummy.

What about 147 and 232 was towny?

147 felt like a genuine, logical justification for using the PT, didn't feel feigned or too concerned. Would expect scum using their PT to more fervently defend their usage than just "Meh whatever, I feel like I'll be able to read them."

232's attempt at diving in and solving and not just trying to limit it to the four who are up to be yeeted right now and engaging in all directions, when it would probably behoove scum in the yeet pool to limit their interactions to those within the pool at this point. (This is, offhand, why I don't love the attempts to get those 4 to shut up and let the rest of us carry on posting)

Anyway, let's cook a little bit more.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

In post 592, AGar wrote:

In post 591, Gamma Emerald wrote:Holy shit, way to only think about yourselves.

I put you at 5. Calm down.

You've had plenty of time that you could have put something forward and yet you have yet to do it - you keep delaying for no apparent reason. Just post it.

In post 628, AGar wrote:

In post 594, Gamma Emerald wrote:I was giving the thread a chance to breathe, sorry you didn’t get the memo scum.

I've been imploring all four of you to give valuable content if you have it. Sorry you haven't bothered to read, scum.

In post 898, AGar wrote:Small break in cookie baking.

In post 888, Noraa wrote:

In post 887, The Bulge wrote:because?

u really think 4 entire people didn't read the OP?
I do think it was a forced town slip.

I mean either it's a slip or it's fabricated. Don't straddle a fence there. You can't "force" a legitimate slip.

In post 894, Gamma Emerald wrote:Also, to go back to why I'm voting Pooky, we have 2 people not wanting to vote VP despite finding him suspicious. As such I now have to get 7/9 people to vote there, with multiple having expressed disinterest there outside the UT/Reck pair as well iirc. So like, it's not fucking happening, on a mathematical level.

Reck and who? You keep saying this and I'm assuming you mean UT and UT has repeatedly said he doesn't?

In post 903, AGar wrote:

In post 899, Gamma Emerald wrote:He says it's "weak, and therefore useless"
I disagree with that sentiment, but he essentially is unwilling to vote VP despite having scum feelings from him
Honestly thinking about it UT's perspective here reeks of scum motivation, he's not scumhunting, just pushing people who look bad

idk saying a read is "weak, and therefore useless" to me reads that the person doesn't have convictions in that read so it's not really a solid read.

In post 943, AGar wrote:

In post 904, Gamma Emerald wrote:would it not do to shore that read up though? It's the same issue I brought up regarding baltar where the solving is not present imo

It does not strike me as odd. It's Day 1. He clearly doesn't see it as a priority.

In post 906, Untrod Tripod wrote:AGar, why the Gamma vote?

Of the four, I find Gamma's sustained behavior most likely to come from scum. I could see an argument for Pooky gambitting with the autochallenge, but the followup hasn't given me those vibes. VPB has been, to me, the most logically consistent all throughout. Noraa I still get townvibes from overall. Haven't loved recent posting, but most of it I can chalk up to some level of frustration. A little concerned about VPB's statement of inconsistencies between PT and this thread, and there's been some recent alarm bells, but I'm not close to switching.

In post 911, Noraa wrote:

In post 909, VP Baltar wrote:My gut says gamma is more scummy overall, but if we do have a four town situation, I think Noraa is less utility because I don't read Cakez as scum at all right now and she seems keyed up to auto challenge him.

Kinda rude for u to say that. ur basically just justifying a vote on me as a Pl and *assuming* all 4 are town.

Ur like gamma is scummier but Noraa is more negative utility to town. Hence justifying ur vote on both largest wagons of the day.

Maybe I can see
Vp/Notsci/Cake/__

I loathe this post. I hate the intentional misconstruing of 909, and the attempt at a solve that follows.

In post 1052, AGar wrote:

In post 946, Untrod Tripod wrote:

In post 943, AGar wrote:Of the four, I find Gamma's sustained behavior most likely to come from scum

okay but I don't think it's gonna happen

What convinces you Gamma *shouldn't* eat the yeet?

@VPB

The shift in 953 & 955 is throwing me a bit of a loop - care to help me out here? 953 seems to insinuate you would like a Gamma yeet but the vote 2 posts later obviously strays in a different direction.

959 seems to miss the entire point of what UT brought up in 946 wrt reading other players. I'm unsurprised.

979

Narrator: He did, in fact, misremember.

@Reck

re: 981 - Pooky's challenge was anti-town but do you see anything in the followup to indicate scum? Or are you just finding the pool largely homogenous and that's enough to sort out among the four?

In post 1011, Starbuck wrote:If you're not sharing, this picture means nothing to me.

For just a short drive down to St. Yeet, you too could have some of these delicious cookies.

And in 1016, we can see the wild scum circle back to the very thing that was brought up in 946, oblivious to the fact itself.

1024 bad, 1033 ignores basic common sense.

re:1038

1. Gamma
2. Pooky
3. Noraa
4. VPB

In post 1101, AGar wrote:

In post 1059, notscience wrote:Just checking in to remind everyone that Noraa is town and we should vote out the guy who put us in a four town lolchallenge thanks

Feels like you could've pushed harder on this than "oh let's just yeet any of these four IDGAF"

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Bye noraa.
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In post 1080, Untrod Tripod wrote:his read on what was going on yesterday was better than mine so I think he probably has a better handle on what's going on than I do

the high degree of confidence he had in his read(s) could be because he's scum, but I'm choosing to believe that it's because he has better reads than I do at this time

This feels like an odd turn from yesterday where you felt fairly confident and willing to take a driver's seat. You had one wrong read and you're willing to do a complete 180?

In post 1093, The Bulge wrote:I don't think I'd want to see the iguanas in another challenge. definitely not any time soon.

Por que no?

In post 1100, lilith2013 wrote:For example, Agar called noraa towny for her argument with gamma when they were getting equally emotional and imo the argument should have been NAI for both sides, and as a result of that basically crossed her off his elimination list. What difference were you seeing there that made you think noraa was town but not gamma? (@agar)

I townread noraa based off of tone/motivation. I said nothing about her side of the argument being towny, and I also already told you exactly what I did find town about her early in the game, none of which had to do with her argument. I thought the argument was dumb and toxic, but I thought the thing that sparked it - GE's whinging over her reaction to a

townread

- was drawing at straws to try and just be saying something about the four up for the yeet. Everything after the initial volley of posts was pretty unindicative of anything, with a slight undertone of "GE is still protesting this way too much," and didn't really color my reads at all.

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GE is still scum y'all.
One of UT or Reck has it over on the other. Book it.
Notty's nibbling a lot and picking on post counts and justifying it with "gut". Fucking lol.

In post 1111, AGar wrote:

In post 1105, notscience wrote:agar I literally was saying for days it was four town. Several people scum read me for it.

ANd at first I was frustrated I had no time to think. Then i started towmreadimg all of them and got annoyed

Yes but you decided to not even put any effort into "they're all town but we should yeet Pooky because of this dumb challenge" because... why? Like you voted him and you traded barbs, but you waited until right before the self-hammer to actually appeal to anyone else that we should yeet Pooky.

In post 1113, AGar wrote:I feel like this game is about 50/50 on meta cases. Yeah, you're gonna get shouted down by UT/Reck and myself to a lesser extent, but that feels like a weak as shit reason to not pursue.

In post 1117, AGar wrote:

In post 1114, notscience wrote:The best way to explain it is pretend I’m a vegan

I know me telling people to become a vegan because they’re killing animals and I’m so great will get me nowhere

So I don’t

Ninja-
I don’t know Lilith or starbuck

I know you three will shoot it down

Bulge will half listen bc he is used to me but agrees with you three

Cakez? Meh. I haven’t interacted with him much in any capacity

And the rest were directly involved in it all.

So how did you come about on Pooky and VPB likely being town? Since you singled out GE and Noraa were meta reads?

In post 1142, AGar wrote:Quote striping like it's 2011 in here because I don't feel like @ing and formatting BBcode rn.

In post 1122, notscience wrote:@Agar- anti town more likely comes from town for Pooky

I'm sorry hwat?

In post 1123, SirCakez wrote:

In post 1121, notscience wrote:

In post 1119, SirCakez wrote:

In post 1105, notscience wrote:agar I literally was saying for days it was four town. Several people scum read me for it.

ANd at first I was frustrated I had no time to think. Then i started towmreadimg all of them and got annoyed

mmm I don't think so

...

Go on?

the four town argument I think is wrong

What benefit do you see to scum angling to push a four-town mindset if there's a scumbag in there?

In post 1137, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 1126, VP Baltar wrote:Also, why say that about me, but not pooky, who I don't think has even posted any content this phase?

i thought people were tired of me posting shit and wanted me to shut up tbh

Imagine misreading the room this bad.

Imagine.

In post 1128, notscience wrote:Show me where I’m shirking responsibility for it and not chastising Pooky.

Chastising Pooky about his play isn't not shirking responsibility though. You did fuckall to try and at least move the town towards the player you felt was acting most detrimental, if you truly feel all four in the pool were town, and you've hid behind "Well like three of you would've for sure shot me down because I townread two players because of meta" which is a charmin level defense for not making any real attempt to even sell anyone on Pookie.

In post 1148, AGar wrote:

In post 1143, xRECKONERx wrote:agar are you scum bro

Nah.

In post 1144, SirCakez wrote:

In post 1142, AGar wrote:What benefit do you see to scum angling to push a four-town mindset if there's a scumbag in there?

this seems really obvious no?
plant the idea of scum as town
like scum 101

The counter point is it's a pretty low reward play (you might keep one of your scumbuddies out of a yeet pool for a bit, you maybe get a bit of towncred) with a lot of opportunity to backfire if one of them flips scum and is linked back to the person pushing it and even if they aren't they lose any potential gains as soon as that one flips. Unless you think notty's mild attempts to persuade others that all four were town will prevent any of them from ending up back in a challenge. I don't see it as a good play from Notty to try and save a scumbuddy there.

In post 1145, notscience wrote:Agar we had two separate players in the pool talk about auto challenging.

What is this specifically in regards to? I'm actually not following here. If this is in response to my "hwat" comment, I want to know why you think Pookie's anti-town actions are a town indicator for him. This doesn't seem to really help with that unless I'm missing something.

In post 1145, notscience wrote:And yeah, I didn’t go “yes this guy is town but he’s an asshole who was anti town so elim him” because I have zero desire to try and confidently shove a miselim. Look at me yesterday- I was originally content to hammer anyone but after I realized it was four town I couldn’t bring myself to hammer her. I lead elims on scum, not on town.

If you think all four are town, and those are the only four up for a yeet, you should be angling to actually get the one you suspect is most dangerous to get yeeted, not hide behind "I lead elims on scum, not town" and "no one would listen to me because meta."

In post 1172, AGar wrote:

In post 1165, VP Baltar wrote:AGar, you already say today who you think should be in the challenge arena?

Nah, but I've also been operating under the assumption that one of Cakez/Notty is gonna challenge me. I'd prefer Notty or GE in the arena to tango with.

In post 1167, SirCakez wrote:

In post 1148, AGar wrote:The counter point is it's a pretty low reward play (you might keep one of your scumbuddies out of a yeet pool for a bit, you maybe get a bit of towncred) with a lot of opportunity to backfire if one of them flips scum and is linked back to the person pushing it and even if they aren't they lose any potential gains as soon as that one flips. Unless you think notty's mild attempts to persuade others that all four were town will prevent any of them from ending up back in a challenge. I don't see it as a good play from Notty to try and save a scumbuddy there.

but it gives him a pass to not have to bus

This feels like a weaker justification, but ok.

In post 1208, AGar wrote:

In post 1192, The Bulge wrote:

In post 1101, AGar wrote:

In post 1093, The Bulge wrote:I don't think I'd want to see the iguanas in another challenge. definitely not any time soon.

Por que no?

what would we learn? if they show up in a later challenge then so be it, great if there's scum there. but there is a whole team to find and we have already had a tonne of analyzable content from those two slots, so no I don't think that would have been smart townplay in the least bit.

Just because those two are back in it doesn't mean it also has to be VPB. Putting them up against another team where you suspect there to be scum could be a way of gleaning who's gonna fall where, but it's not that big of a deal for me.

In post 1198, VP Baltar wrote:Cakez, hit me with that speed reader AGar case.

[whisper]he doesn't really have one[/whisper]

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@VPB

I'd give you bullet points, but there's not enough between the four of us to really do that. Cakez's iso is just floating shit out softly and abandoning things that don't take. Starbuck is... a player? Haven't used our PT for much beyond some memes and shenanigans. Partially on me, as I stupidly forgot "no scum nightkill" means "no night phase" and was looking forward to a brief respite from this thread to organize thoughts and try to engage 1-on-1.

I most want to yeet Lillith. Her prodding feels artificial, she seems like she's just latching on to wanting to yeet me so as not to have to engage with Cakez, and her ISO is mostly just globbing on to whatever seems to be something she can echo at the time.

In post 1261, AGar wrote:

In post 1209, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 1208, AGar wrote:I most want to yeet Lillith. Her prodding feels artificial, she seems like she's just latching on to wanting to yeet me so as not to have to engage with Cakez, and her ISO is mostly just globbing on to whatever seems to be something she can echo at the time.

Talk about this? I feel like lilith’s content has been decent at least, for what little she had

I have yet to see anything showing original thought or effort from Lillith.

In post 1210, Untrod Tripod wrote:

In post 1208, AGar wrote:I most want to yeet Lillith. Her prodding feels artificial, she seems like she's just latching on to wanting to yeet me so as not to have to engage with Cakez, and her ISO is mostly just globbing on to whatever seems to be something she can echo at the time.

this is a Bad Take, an Easy Yeet for Scum to Push and also Very Lazy

when you find me agreeing with Gamma, that's a take you can trust

In post 1214, Gamma Emerald wrote:On my part my issue with AGar is less that his lilith push is bad and more that he sussed all three of the other people in the pool.

Ok Boomer Take #1: Providing observations on a set of players when asked is not "sussing" or "shading" all of those players just because it does not feature a fucking glowing "this person is town omg!" review. Jesus fucking christ, I literally said that one of the players is "a player". The other I provided a candid observation with no fucking indication of a lean. I literally said I wanted to yeet one player in that post. One. Not two, not three.... I swear to christ reading comprehension cannot be this difficult.

In post 1217, notscience wrote:...it’s talking about agars push. He’s not going to push himself.

Well not with that attitude I won't.

In post 1223, notscience wrote:And honestly I struggle to remember what Lilith has done this game. Could just be on me, but I had no problem with UTs line of questioning there

This. Is. Fucking. Stellar.

Galaxy brain type shit.

In post 1230, notscience wrote:My point was and still is that it’s an easy push for agar to make. You’re saying she’s done stuff and I’m wrong- cool, whatever, I don’t remember it and am not really pushing the issue my main point is it’s a weak push from agar

Yes, the infamous "easy push" that has gotten all of *checks notes* 1 other vote and it would need 6 total. Marvelous play. I think y'all are confusing "easy push" with "push I don't like". Which, if y'all don't like it fine but say so and don't just hid behind "oh it's an easy push."

re:

1245 See Boomer Take #1. Also your one point about questioning the townread is correct, and I misremembered exchanges with Notty post-Noraa/GE, but that's literally... *checks notes* your only contribution? Questioning a townread?

In post 1360, Untrod Tripod wrote:Reck and I had been discussing in our PT that AGar's interactions with us feel off.

In post 1362, VP Baltar wrote:

In post 1360, Untrod Tripod wrote:Reck and I had been discussing in our PT that AGar's interactions with us feel off.

Reck, you think lillith or agar is more scummy here?

Also, where is Pooky's moral outrage?

In post 1367, xRECKONERx wrote:

In post 1362, VP Baltar wrote:

In post 1360, Untrod Tripod wrote:Reck and I had been discussing in our PT that AGar's interactions with us feel off.

Reck, you think lillith or agar is more scummy here?

Also, where is Pooky's moral outrage?

lillith but that's mostly based on me having a drunken moment of clarity a week or so ago off an agar post and just writing him off as town in my head for sanity's sake

In post 1368, VP Baltar wrote:

In post 1367, xRECKONERx wrote:

In post 1362, VP Baltar wrote:

In post 1360, Untrod Tripod wrote:Reck and I had been discussing in our PT that AGar's interactions with us feel off.

Reck, you think lillith or agar is more scummy here?

Also, where is Pooky's moral outrage?

lillith but that's mostly based on me having a drunken moment of clarity a week or so ago off an agar post and just writing him off as town in my head for sanity's sake

When did this happen? When were you and UT saying he was pinging you?

Actual dates would be good

In post 1118, xRECKONERx wrote:ok agar is town and i dont think im changing my mind the rest of the game we'll see

In post 1369, xRECKONERx wrote:UT said cakez spent too much yesterday throwing shade on noraa without ever voting her so he kinda stealthily contributed to the misyeet without getting messy

In post 1360, Untrod Tripod wrote:is that Y-1?

I'm willing to hammer.