In post 1378, petapan wrote:thinking over it more and it's super weird they are throwing some BoP shit at me, because i was fosing duchess and n_m way before they were, and was starting to fos norfolk as well, but i mention i'm tinfoiling them suddenly i'm scum and forcing my reads because i'm cornered, it makes no sense at all
This is garbage. hot smelly stinking garbage.
A.) I've been fosing duchess since the early game. She was part of my original scum potentially bussing or making an easy push on norfolk. Told Lotus early game that I didn't like him calling duchess a town read on an early non alignment post but liked when he started realizing he was suspicious. Mentioned I leaned duchess flipping red early, and part of the whole "egging" on Netflix you've so sloppily accused me of was because I was concerned they were bussing.
This is you again showing that you're not actually really thinking about me or my alignment. You don't care to think about whether or not your push makes sense, you only care to make the push that you need to make. You did this with the egging on argument. You latched onto Dunn's original point because it gave you a convenient out to change your mind about the original norfolk push. I don't believe for a second that you read that conversation seeing it was a conversation about reads in which I stated my thoughts on a bunch of people and say that somehow me responding to the Lotus one was egging on. I don't believe you believe that because your proficiency at this game is too high for that very superficial reaction.
I don't believe that was your original take away from that conversation, and I don't believe that when I pointed out to you that it was a conversation that if you were town your only response would be, "it's unfair you expect me to remember all the details when I just replaced in." This is not you trying to figure out alignments. I do believe that if you were town, and you were truly trying to figure out my alignment, you would go back to see if that made sense. You didn't, and you deflected to how unfair it was for me to expect you to remember details, instead of the argument at hand. You are way to conscientious of a town player to respond that way.
B) Even if you had started to suspect those three before us, why is it super weird that we throw a BoP bullshit at you? I don't understand your ire over that. What do those reads have to do with BoP and our respect for your play? I thought it was weird that in response to the BoP comment, you posted a quote from a few years ago where Matt said you had a good scum game. What does Matt thinking you have a good scum game do with my respect for your town game? You know I enjoy playing with you because I told you so when you came back. You know I respect the hell out of your play. You were phenomenal as town in FGO; yes I know you say you don't play that way all the time effort wise which is fine but damn it shows how insightful and thoughtful you are at reads. In smoke, you were the same way where you demonstrated insight and thoughtfulness, and I even said this about what I remembered about you when FFery, who expected more from you, asked me about my impression of your play.
Subject: Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Endgame]
Tammy wrote:
My experience with peta is seven years old, and I've never seen a scum game though I believe I remember hearing that he has a good one.
In my head, he's an easy going poster who is active but not terribly wordy and pokes around at things until he finds something that bites. But when he does can be quite insightful and has good reads, which you saw with assassin. The play might change so the meta of the play won't be the same, but I expect the insight and the way he comes to his reads probably isn't all that different, and that will come when reads form. If that makes sense.
This morning I went back and looked at his iso is Abarat and The Wire just to see if my activity memory was right, and he was little more active there (I think it was me just glancing at the iso so take that observation with a grain of salt; it was not in depth by any means) and he had a little bit more bite (in Abarat at least but that game started off weird). I wouldn't really expect the bite to be there really and old meta is old meta. I was mostly just making sure I wasn't remembering a very different play.
I kinda put peta's style in a similar vein as visorslash, I don't know if you've ever seen him play or not, but the style has some similarities I think.
Don't know if any of that helps.
So, you know I respect the fuck out of you. So when I say what I expect from you analysis-wise, it's not coming from nowhere. It's not me making up something for this game. This is something that you know I think about you.
So when I tell you I don't think a town you attacks Mush in the way that you have as town, it's because I think a town you sees at least a little of what we see. I don't think you're able to see the town in random little posts in which no push is made in the way you have in the several games we've played together recently, and then just can't see the town in Mush. And I think as town, when Mush had her melt down about her real life situation you don't push back with venom as town. I think you say something along the lines that you said to Nahdia in Smoke when you told her that you were sorry for her real life situation but that you still suspect her.
I don't think that you ignore the way the cakez thing started and how being completely misrepped and having him change arguments on me drove me to a melt down and not recognize that that comes from town me even a little bit. I don't think you simplify the argument to where I'm the one being attacked and changed tactics. I don't think you latch on to Cakez's we're going long argument because I think a town you recognizes if we gave the gun to the person who reads ME best that I'd not be laying contingency plans to get shot. You just keep ignoring every facet of your argument that doesn't make sense because pushing us is more important for your scum agenda.
You've fallen back on the "tired of getting flack for daring to question you" nonsense for both Mush and us. That is a garbage argument too. But it's one you're making because it's a fall back. Question us all you want, but make your arguments sound. Cakez is constantly pushing us in this stupid matter seemingly so unaware that we had different conversations and he didn't even try to understand me or where he was misrepping me. And with Cakez I wouldn't have gotten so mad if he would have actually argued my points and not changed the argument on me while in a very pompous maximus way acting if I'm the asshole. I think he is probably town. STT thinks we're scum for several reasons, and we think he is probably town. STT pushed Mush, and she ended up thinking he wasn't as scummy as initially; not sure if it's a town read now, but it's not scum king.
What's the difference? I'm sure you'll make up some bullshit for this here, but the difference is that I can see their push as coming from town (STT) or the rest of their play as coming from town (Cakez). I don't get that from you. Your play feels very agenda driven, your reads feel positional, and most importantly your analysis is superficial as hell. Nothing about your play seems like looking at the game from a town perspective.
And before you throw the unfair thing at me, no I don't expect the same level of play that you displayed in FGO and in Smoke, Tenet was fast moving and I don't remember that you did very much, and Tenet was a weird one but you still demonstrated insight in the posts that I did read of yours even if your mood there was a little more tetchy.) But I do absolutely expect some insight and analysis from you.
lol me if I am wrong but it's been a long time since I've been this confident that someone is scum. If I had the gun right now I'd have shot you pages ago.
I need to get back to work, so I'll stop here. Hopefully Nacho gets home from work on time today so we can finish up our thoughts and get them out there. I'll let you guys know if he's gonna be working another 50 thousand hour long game.
Oh and I do still think if you think we're scum here, you advocate for us to be shot right now.